DUST Search - why ccp didn't make enough money on dust514

ZDub 303 wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

ZDub 303 wrote:

KingBabar wrote:

LOL @ both of you morons.

Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is....

And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG?

I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison.

However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential.

I'll gladly admit that I don't have the slightest idea about programming, but it doesn't change any of the facts:

- MAG had 256 player battles working as good as totally lag free. (As long as you played it on your regional server)
- MAGs biggest and only(?) issue was the latency, AKA they shut down all the servers except for the one in LA making it extremely hard for EU players to compete with our 500 ms ping.
- Dust couldn't even get 16 vs 16 without a severe frame rate drop whenever players are grouped too close together.
- They never got any sort of proper balance going, this goes for all the various builds....
- FFS sake dubs, now, a year after launch they can't even get basic movement right. Sometimes I get the run glitch, I press my "run" button but my character runs at about walking speed, this bug has been in the game since 1.8 launch and the devs haven't even acknowleged it. Its raelly pathetic to not even get basic movement right after 2 years...
- You know, I could go on and on about how much better MAG was than Dust, I could also go on and on about the various faults of Dust, we all know this.
- You write towards the end "if they could make a better game on the PS4...) So, are we agreeing that its the lack of skill from CCPs side thats the real issue here? Or do you honestly believe that the tech that has brought great game after great game isn't good enough for Dust?

Oh yeah, I'm not saying its 'only' the PS3s fault, but to say "MAG had 256 players therefore all games can have 256 players' is likely an unfair comparison, would you not agree?

Was MAG a better game? Of course, I played it for about a year and can't deny that either.

I do believe the PS3 can't allow Dust to be what it should be though. Its a mix of dated hardware, CCP Shanghai, Sony's validation process, and Unreal 3 that make Dust the game it is though imo, not JUST CCP Shanghai.

If what I'm seeing from Legion is truly legit for the comparatively short time they've put into it, its clear those are guys who make PC games.

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Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.05.28 19:57:00 - [1] - Quote ccp didn't promote dust514 on game shops worldwide and failed to advertise dust514 on facebook or in other sites ths only thing there have is the youtube channel come on ccp hire some business brains on your company i only discovered this game because my friend told me how the heck you expect to make money on that come on ccp here is a advice before you release legion promote your game on computer shops worldwide and advertise..
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2467	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:03:00 - [2] - Quote That's not the problem; the problem is that what they want to do with dust/legion can't be done on the PS3. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
KingBabar MAG was better... 2561	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:07:00 - [3] - Quote LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 575	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:10:00 - [4] - Quote It definitely had nothing to do with being full of bugs and having the single worst new player experience of any game in history. Laser focused in a room full of mirrors. Everything you ever wanted coming SoonGäó just keep buying boosters.
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 294	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:13:00 - [5] - Quote just realize that CCP tested the concept with us. They did not want to alienate their PC player base. They needed time to train and learn how to make a shooter with a small player base.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2561	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:15:00 - [6] - Quote Gelhad Thremyr wrote: just realize that CCP tested the concept with us. They did not want to alienate their PC player base. They needed time to train and learn how to make a shooter with a small player base. Its just too bad it didn't help... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote they use console gamers thats why a lot got pess at them player numbers gone down this month because of there legion crap players don't want to waste there time and effort to a dying game and ccp didn't hold on to there promise last year fanfest they said the new maps coming to dust514 and other things and the players saw it coming to pc damn ccp destroyed there costumers trust
THUNDERGROOVE The Last of DusT. 866	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:25:00 - [8] - Quote KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? You can't tell me your time spend versus money spent wasn't worth it though. Feel free to check out my website for some lulz :D \| TDBS
Gelhad Thremyr Quebec United 294	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:26:00 - [9] - Quote Keep in mind that releasing a patch on PS3 is costy because it has to go trhough their QA, so they are shelling money to do it. If they are not making enough money in dust, its a money pit. This is why we have easy server side hot fixes. On PC you have an auto-patcher and when internal QA is done, you release at no further cost. You can patch the binary as well as the data. It makes more sense for a F2P game to be on a platform where the release cycle has no added cost for simply not having bad press (Sony) from a buggy game.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8921	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:43:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: That's not the problem; the problem is that what they want to do with dust/legion can't be done on the PS3. Looks at just about every PS3 game with GOTY Awards Walks away laughing HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND

P14GU3 The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 774	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:43:00 - [11] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: ccp didn't promote dust514 on game shops worldwide and failed to advertise dust514 on facebook or in other sites ths only thing there have is the youtube channel come on ccp hire some business brains on your company i only discovered this game because my friend told me how the heck you expect to make money on that come on ccp here is a advice before you release legion promote your game on computer shops worldwide and advertise.. Lol at your theory. There are TONS of facebook groups. There are TONS of reviews for this game (mostly bad reviews I might add.) I have tried to get MANY of my friends playing this game. None of them stayed more than a couple days. CCP even has a commercial already finished for dust. They just chose not to spend money plastering it all over the television because they KNEW their game was bad. Lots of people know about dust. They didnt make money because they have no clue how to keep their customers happy. I spent upwards of 200 usd on this game before realizing I was wasting my money. Never spent another dime because I had no reason too. CCP is bad, and should feel bad. @ godin. Ignorance is bliss... I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 2984	Posted - 2014.05.28 20:52:00 - [12] - Quote KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 124	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:14:00 - [13] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential. It is kinda fair. Regardless if it is or isnt fair ; point is MAG and few other games can do things that Dust can't do.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2570	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:32:00 - [14] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential. I'll gladly admit that I don't have the slightest idea about programming, but it doesn't change any of the facts: - MAG had 256 player battles working as good as totally lag free. (As long as you played it on your regional server) - MAGs biggest and only(?) issue was the latency, AKA they shut down all the servers except for the one in LA making it extremely hard for EU players to compete with our 500 ms ping. - Dust couldn't even get 16 vs 16 without a severe frame rate drop whenever players are grouped too close together. - They never got any sort of proper balance going, this goes for all the various builds.... - FFS sake dubs, now, a year after launch they can't even get basic movement right. Sometimes I get the run glitch, I press my "run" button but my character runs at about walking speed, this bug has been in the game since 1.8 launch and the devs haven't even acknowleged it. Its raelly pathetic to not even get basic movement right after 2 years... - You know, I could go on and on about how much better MAG was than Dust, I could also go on and on about the various faults of Dust, we all know this. - You write towards the end "if they could make a better game on the PS4...) So, are we agreeing that its the lack of skill from CCPs side thats the real issue here? Or do you honestly believe that the tech that has brought great game after great game isn't good enough for Dust? FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 944	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote there were a number of good things, that I enjoyed, but there wasn't enough of them to overcome the bad things in the end. Don't see much point getting into specifics at this point. Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
ZDub 303 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 2985	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:52:00 - [16] - Quote KingBabar wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential. I'll gladly admit that I don't have the slightest idea about programming, but it doesn't change any of the facts: - MAG had 256 player battles working as good as totally lag free. (As long as you played it on your regional server) - MAGs biggest and only(?) issue was the latency, AKA they shut down all the servers except for the one in LA making it extremely hard for EU players to compete with our 500 ms ping. - Dust couldn't even get 16 vs 16 without a severe frame rate drop whenever players are grouped too close together. - They never got any sort of proper balance going, this goes for all the various builds.... - FFS sake dubs, now, a year after launch they can't even get basic movement right. Sometimes I get the run glitch, I press my "run" button but my character runs at about walking speed, this bug has been in the game since 1.8 launch and the devs haven't even acknowleged it. Its raelly pathetic to not even get basic movement right after 2 years... - You know, I could go on and on about how much better MAG was than Dust, I could also go on and on about the various faults of Dust, we all know this. - You write towards the end "if they could make a better game on the PS4...) So, are we agreeing that its the lack of skill from CCPs side thats the real issue here? Or do you honestly believe that the tech that has brought great game after great game isn't good enough for Dust? Oh yeah, I'm not saying its 'only' the PS3s fault, but to say "MAG had 256 players therefore all games can have 256 players' is likely an unfair comparison, would you not agree? Was MAG a better game? Of course, I played it for about a year and can't deny that either. I do believe the PS3 can't allow Dust to be what it should be though. Its a mix of dated hardware, CCP Shanghai, Sony's validation process, and Unreal 3 that make Dust the game it is though imo, not JUST CCP Shanghai. If what I'm seeing from Legion is truly legit for the comparatively short time they've put into it, its clear those are guys who make PC games.
KingBabar MAG was better... 2573	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:50:00 - [17] - Quote Fair enough, a direct meassure is silly. It does not however explain in any form or way why they couldn't even get a 16 vs 16 mode working properly... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 462	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:57:00 - [18] - Quote You sow what you reap. There was no incentive to spend. No shiny extra content or anything. The ability to use Proto at level 3? So? Without Proficiency, why bother? Useless Featured Fits? Butt ugly Dev suits? Not only are they ugly, they're STD crap. Wow, look at all of the cute uselessness... Boosters? 50% Bonus sounds weak to a new player and it's really only worth it if you buy 2-6 months' worth. Aside from that, the lack of marketing and advertising, the shoddy state of the game's performance compared to real 'laser focused' AAA shooters, and the lack of a single good review put this game where it rightfully belonged. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race I'll be at Bravo. Come n' get some.
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 1061	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:08:00 - [19] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential. I'll gladly admit that I don't have the slightest idea about programming, but it doesn't change any of the facts: - MAG had 256 player battles working as good as totally lag free. (As long as you played it on your regional server) - MAGs biggest and only(?) issue was the latency, AKA they shut down all the servers except for the one in LA making it extremely hard for EU players to compete with our 500 ms ping. - Dust couldn't even get 16 vs 16 without a severe frame rate drop whenever players are grouped too close together. - They never got any sort of proper balance going, this goes for all the various builds.... - FFS sake dubs, now, a year after launch they can't even get basic movement right. Sometimes I get the run glitch, I press my "run" button but my character runs at about walking speed, this bug has been in the game since 1.8 launch and the devs haven't even acknowleged it. Its raelly pathetic to not even get basic movement right after 2 years... - You know, I could go on and on about how much better MAG was than Dust, I could also go on and on about the various faults of Dust, we all know this. - You write towards the end "if they could make a better game on the PS4...) So, are we agreeing that its the lack of skill from CCPs side thats the real issue here? Or do you honestly believe that the tech that has brought great game after great game isn't good enough for Dust? Oh yeah, I'm not saying its 'only' the PS3s fault, but to say "MAG had 256 players therefore all games can have 256 players' is likely an unfair comparison, would you not agree? Was MAG a better game? Of course, I played it for about a year and can't deny that either. I do believe the PS3 can't allow Dust to be what it should be though. Its a mix of dated hardware, CCP Shanghai, Sony's validation process, and Unreal 3 that make Dust the game it is though imo, not JUST CCP Shanghai. If what I'm seeing from Legion is truly legit for the comparatively short time they've put into it, its clear those are guys who make PC games. You do realize legion is being developed on the UE3, by the same people at CCP Shanghai, and using large chunks of the same code from dust so they don't start from scratch right? The people who've been making EVE for 10 years are not developing dust, the people who worked on dust for 2 years and failed it it are.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3159	Posted - 2014.05.28 23:25:00 - [20] - Quote for a game to make money it has to be decent enough. Dust is not attractive to the majority of players. The SP grinding in particular is turning alot of FPS gamers away. Nobody wants to grind for a month to be aible to wear a proto suit.

Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 50	Posted - 2014.05.29 04:17:00 - [21] - Quote they should hire dice that will make the game dust514 or legion better rather than that old school UE3 and the people who quit dust514 because they are use on COD battlefield unlocking things easy thats why you friends quit dust514 only in days i find this game very good with the old school fps health bar and like a RPG fps game thats why i love it even its a dying game going to the pc.
End Is Here Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.05.29 04:27:00 - [22] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: ccp didn't promote dust514 on game shops worldwide and failed to advertise dust514 on facebook or in other sites ths only thing there have is the youtube channel come on ccp hire some business brains on your company i only discovered this game because my friend told me how the heck you expect to make money on that come on ccp here is a advice before you release legion promote your game on computer shops worldwide and advertise.. ANOTHER CLUELESS NOOB....... Dust lost MORE people then it gained. Why? Cause the game is now garbage! There are 100's [of articles about dust online. 90% bad. Most people played one match then deleted. I guess they 'thought' they could fix it. Everything is 100 times worse now. I have a feeling more heads will roll for this mess. That or they will just do name swaps like they always do.
Athena Sentinel SOE Knights Templar 330	Posted - 2014.05.29 05:06:00 - [23] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: ccp didn't promote dust514 on game shops worldwide and failed to advertise dust514 on facebook or in other sites ths only thing there have is the youtube channel come on ccp hire some business brains on your company i only discovered this game because my friend told me how the heck you expect to make money on that come on ccp here is a advice before you release legion promote your game on computer shops worldwide and advertise.. Riddle me this, they did not advertise because it started unable to support EVE. The hope was PS4 to hold the graphics and the deal flopped. With the understanding of the risk in mind the move to PC game was build as a backup and Dust win or lose pass or fail would be a money generating learning platform for the company. = Mission successful.
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 4975	Posted - 2014.05.29 06:10:00 - [24] - Quote KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? Gameplay > Graphics/Performance BTW, did you break 100k kills yet? Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 494	Posted - 2014.05.29 07:10:00 - [25] - Quote KingBabar wrote: And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? You mean that game that got shut down on ps3? Oh yeah. DUST was not a great game and even their Sean Decker said that in interview. They are moving on and that's about it. Story of your life
KingBabar MAG was better... 2575	Posted - 2014.05.29 07:29:00 - [26] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? Gameplay > Graphics/Performance BTW, did you break 100k kills yet? No, I thought I could get those last 4000 kills but I just can't be bothered..... FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 433	Posted - 2014.05.29 08:02:00 - [27] - Quote I would rather play $100 for a finish game then this never ending story of promisses .
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 51	Posted - 2014.05.29 08:05:00 - [28] - Quote yeppp they promised the new maps coming to dust514 last fanfest and now its on legion load of crap
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4762	Posted - 2014.05.29 08:31:00 - [29] - Quote Kratek Heshan wrote: ccp didn't promote dust514 on game shops worldwide and failed to advertise dust514 on facebook or in other sites ths only thing there have is the youtube channel come on ccp hire some business brains on your company i only discovered this game because my friend told me how the heck you expect to make money on that come on ccp here is a advice before you release legion promote your game on computer shops worldwide and advertise.. Punctuation is your friend, not your enemy. RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4763	Posted - 2014.05.29 08:52:00 - [30] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? Gameplay > Graphics/Performance BTW, did you break 100k kills yet? No, I thought I could get those last 4000 kills but I just can't be bothered..... RIP Stinky Sleeve. RIP Dust514. See you on Destiny. PSN: GSDSteVB

Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 73	Posted - 2014.05.29 09:09:00 - [31] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: KingBabar wrote: LOL @ both of you morons. Dust didn't make enough money because the game never was any sort of good. Its been a subpar game from day one. About a 3 K constant playerbase on a free to play ps3 game says a lot about how good the game actually is.... And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? I doubt its really all that fair to compare what Zipper did with MAG to Dust 514. Unless you are a game developer, you really don't have any authority to make that comparison. However, I think even the Devs agree that Dust sucks cause they couldn't figure out how to make a good game on the PS3, hence the move to PC. If they felt they could have made a better game on the PS4 I 100% believe they would have announced Legion for the PS4 instead. They would have had a wider audience to appeal to and a higher profit potential. This is about 100% the exact fking polar opposite of what nearly all companies do. They release titles to as many platforms as possible BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE MONEY. There are delays where one platform gets released to the next but if you go by STEAM Valve's numbers today DOTA 2 is currently ranked #1 by player usage at 500,000. The highest FPS game is Counter-Strike: Global Offensive at 50,000 players on that same daily count. Yea it's daily and changes but not something that would overcome that gap. I'd also agree with CEO Pyrex on pointing out that the things native to the game itself help to essentially kill it's appeal: proto~stomping = inability to retain new players [because you want it to grow I assume], it's free so if a player hates dying 50+ they can assume the game is garbage and toss it in the recycling bin, there isn't really a match making system that makes it easier to learn the game or provide a less dramatic learning curve. At the end of the day we can also compare what Zipper did with CCP BECAUSE ZIPPER MADE PREDOMINATELY FPS GAMES AND CCP HASN'T EVER AND PPL SEEM TO THINK WHITE-KNIGHTING THIS ISSUE HELPS!!! No it doesn't!, it makes it worse and they'd need to dramatically overhaul their whole system in order to regain some appeal even in Legion. If you want to add the kicker of it, if they also allow some degree of skill transplanting then they will introduce the exact same problems in Legion that Dust has save the bugs! This has nothing to do with the platform they will launch it's a critique on their ability to make a game because no serious game is going "oh it's CCP we shouldn't be hard on them". No we're doing "this is what OTHERS have done, how IS CCP DOING STUFF BETTER"? It's a legitimate question because, even if it's free, if no one is playing then no one is buying aurum then huh? Aoena Rays wrote: KingBabar wrote:** And LOL at blaming it on the PS3, I guess you never played MAG? You mean that game that got shut down on ps3? Oh yeah. DUST was not a great game and even their Sean Decker said that in interview. They are moving on and that's about it. Yea MAG got shutdown along with tons of other popular games around that period hosted by Sony. Sony's killed how many profitable games whereas MAG was solely hosted for free and you could play it by buying a $10 disc? Well games that made Sony money they still killed were Free Realms and Wizardy online they were still profitable overall but they killed it. At least MAG can say it was neither ever voted worse game of the year in a game category on any website nor has it ever been considered such a dismal failure that a company had to make a new game to replace it. So yea, MAG got shutdown....after 4 years of playing it. If CCP wanted to make Dust a success in the first place they should've chosen their platform, follow the ideal of functionality & gameplay > graphics and then settle on a long-term plan rather than releasing a bunch of new items and ignoring bug fixes and better match making AI development. But no cloaks are that important it's alright to ignore crap That's why CCP failed with Dust so badly: they're developing this with the ideal that players with stick with the game that's utterly free and doesn't encourage new players to stay while assuming concurrent players with stay and convince their friends to also play. I couldn't convince anyone i knew to stay longer than 2 weeks. And they don't have to listen to the playerbase's feedback but there's a difference between acknowledging the feedback versus seemingly doing nothing with it. But we already know their ppl skills are pretty darn pathetic...


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