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Tebu Gan wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks.

Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player.

I have had a bit of fun with gunners, murdering infantry, and rackin up some serious WP with kills. One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank.

When tanks stack damage mods, the fight is over in just a few seconds, hardly enough time for gunners to react or even land enough shots to make a noticeable difference. With such a short ttk (due in large part to damage mods and very high turret damage) a gunner isn't as useful as the plate and rep I lose in my lows against dam modded rails.

Now if they nerfed the damage mods down to 15 or 20, I would hold a significant advantage over other tanks when running gunners, running double damage mods myself. They may get a jump on me, but at least my gunners have time to lay down some double damage modded fire and perhaps turn the tables a bit.

I run a Madrugar with 2 Railguns and an Ion Cannon, Single Rep, Single Hardener.

We have destroyed more tanks in Amarr FW than I hazard to say anyone else has across FW's career. Not joking all 3 guns facing forwards would claim any tank until the triple Rep Madrugar craze blew up and did so against damage modded Sica's, Gunlogi, and always beat enemy armour tanks.

Ah, Ion cannon. Yes, in this situation I do imagine it would be different as you are engaged much closer to the enemy and in a different way than I would with my rails. I'm generally a bit back from another rail tank, so the gunners don't seem to be able to do much as they only shoot like 150m out.

But yes, in a close range engagement, where I can out maneuver another tank, the gunners provide good fire while I maneuver into a position I can fire. Sometimes, they nearly kill said tank.

But often times all I come against are scrub tankers. Throw in a real tanker and things get a bit blurry, with gunners not always providing as much benefit as better modules would provide.

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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:37:00 - [1] - Quote My tank and try out these guns. Before tanks changes, blueberries be crazy about getting in a tank and sitting it out. Now I can't FORCE a player to jump in my tank. WTF is up with that. I've been running fits, with 2 small blasters, missiles (XTs), and rails, all paired with their counterpart large, and a damage mod. I run at a bit of a disadvantage to other pro tankers, especially when ******* blueberries pass up my pimpin tanks. So please jump in and give it a shot please, hard to test without test dummies. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Leovarian L Lavitz Shotgun TimeMachine 1080	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:42:00 - [2] - Quote I <3 me some rail turrets mmm I got some footage of me tearing some people up right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mifjg832qH4 Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1758	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:51:00 - [3] - Quote Hey, if you ever want a gunner I'm willing. Always like to take a small turret regardless of the veehicle I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8894	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:53:00 - [4] - Quote I just fit a CRU on my HAVs and hope that the people who spawn in actually know how to aim a turret. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10308	Posted - 2014.05.27 21:58:00 - [5] - Quote I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks. Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player. Markdown:
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:26:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks. Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player. I have had a bit of fun with gunners, murdering infantry, and rackin up some serious WP with kills. One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank. When tanks stack damage mods, the fight is over in just a few seconds, hardly enough time for gunners to react or even land enough shots to make a noticeable difference. With such a short ttk (due in large part to damage mods and very high turret damage) a gunner isn't as useful as the plate and rep I lose in my lows against dam modded rails. Now if they nerfed the damage mods down to 15 or 20, I would hold a significant advantage over other tanks when running gunners, running double damage mods myself. They may get a jump on me, but at least my gunners have time to lay down some double damage modded fire and perhaps turn the tables a bit. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:27:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: I just fit a CRU on my HAVs and hope that the people who spawn in actually know how to aim a turret. Eww, hate to waste a high slot like that! I've quite literally trapped people in corners, and STILL they wouldn't jump in. What assholes. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: I <3 me some rail turrets mmm I got some footage of me tearing some people up right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mifjg832qH4 at 10 minutes Dude, had two corp members in my tank, tearing up infantry, lavs, and sica's and soma's from time to time. It's always fun watching all the assists pop up on the screen when that's going down. Imagine I hit something and my gunners hit the same thing, I get the kill, with the points, plus 2 assists from gunners, plus any WP from damage vehicles, and assists associated with them. I get this AND my gunners get this. WP machine in the right hands! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Eko Sol Strange Playings 390	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:35:00 - [9] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: My tank and try out these guns. Before tanks changes, blueberries be crazy about getting in a tank and sitting it out. Now I can't FORCE a player to jump in my tank. WTF is up with that. I've been running fits, with 2 small blasters, missiles (XTs), and rails, all paired with their counterpart large, and a damage mod. I run at a bit of a disadvantage to other pro tankers, especially when ******* blueberries pass up my pimpin tanks. So please jump in and give it a shot please, hard to test without test dummies. Being a tanker and having a skilled gunner is just a teamwork thing that some people end up having others don't. I suggest you post it as a job on Craigslist and offer some ISK or $ for the gig. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 431	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:41:00 - [10] - Quote I used to co-pilot like a mother ******. Then they ruined the small turrets and removed the restriction on equipping small turrets. If I see you in blue, I'll hop on a secondary. Might even bring a FG and help defend you. But if I ever see you in red, I'm not giving the opportunity for the (Road Kill) again... I'm not playing around in the rematch - I gotta Gastun's waiting just for you. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny = Biomass Console Master Race

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 970	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:47:00 - [11] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: I used to co-pilot like a mother ****. Then they ruined the small turrets and removed the restriction on equipping small turrets. If I see you in blue, I'll hop on a secondary. Might even bring a FG and help defend you. But if I ever see you in red, I'm not giving the opportunity for the (Road Kill) again... I'm not playing around in the rematch - I gotta Gastun's waiting just for you. I didn't roadkill you did I Many a times have I had AV all over me, and just couldn't make that killing shot. They expect me to run, but I'm a ***** tank. I'll squarsh your ass if I have to! That's like the main reason I run a nitro I'll certainly be watchin my ass around you! Tanks - Balancing Turrets
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10309	Posted - 2014.05.27 22:48:00 - [12] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: True Adamance wrote: I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks. Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player. I have had a bit of fun with gunners, murdering infantry, and rackin up some serious WP with kills. One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank. When tanks stack damage mods, the fight is over in just a few seconds, hardly enough time for gunners to react or even land enough shots to make a noticeable difference. With such a short ttk (due in large part to damage mods and very high turret damage) a gunner isn't as useful as the plate and rep I lose in my lows against dam modded rails. Now if they nerfed the damage mods down to 15 or 20, I would hold a significant advantage over other tanks when running gunners, running double damage mods myself. They may get a jump on me, but at least my gunners have time to lay down some double damage modded fire and perhaps turn the tables a bit. I run a Madrugar with 2 Railguns and an Ion Cannon, Single Rep, Single Hardener. We have destroyed more tanks in Amarr FW than I hazard to say anyone else has across FW's career. Not joking all 3 guns facing forwards would claim any tank until the triple Rep Madrugar craze blew up and did so against damage modded Sica's, Gunlogi, and always beat enemy armour tanks. Markdown:
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 971	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:01:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: True Adamance wrote: I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks. Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player. I have had a bit of fun with gunners, murdering infantry, and rackin up some serious WP with kills. One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank. When tanks stack damage mods, the fight is over in just a few seconds, hardly enough time for gunners to react or even land enough shots to make a noticeable difference. With such a short ttk (due in large part to damage mods and very high turret damage) a gunner isn't as useful as the plate and rep I lose in my lows against dam modded rails. Now if they nerfed the damage mods down to 15 or 20, I would hold a significant advantage over other tanks when running gunners, running double damage mods myself. They may get a jump on me, but at least my gunners have time to lay down some double damage modded fire and perhaps turn the tables a bit. I run a Madrugar with 2 Railguns and an Ion Cannon, Single Rep, Single Hardener. We have destroyed more tanks in Amarr FW than I hazard to say anyone else has across FW's career. Not joking all 3 guns facing forwards would claim any tank until the triple Rep Madrugar craze blew up and did so against damage modded Sica's, Gunlogi, and always beat enemy armour tanks. Ah, Ion cannon. Yes, in this situation I do imagine it would be different as you are engaged much closer to the enemy and in a different way than I would with my rails. I'm generally a bit back from another rail tank, so the gunners don't seem to be able to do much as they only shoot like 150m out. But yes, in a close range engagement, where I can out maneuver another tank, the gunners provide good fire while I maneuver into a position I can fire. Sometimes, they nearly kill said tank. But often times all I come against are scrub tankers. Throw in a real tanker and things get a bit blurry, with gunners not always providing as much benefit as better modules would provide. Tanks - Balancing Turrets
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 943	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:03:00 - [14] - Quote There are no Jump Gates to burn to. #punsPunsPUNS Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous CCP Logibro is not forum, Mike Ruan is forum! GJR Said I was Dust Famous
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10310	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:05:00 - [15] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: True Adamance wrote: I am soooooo happy they are increasing the effectiveness of small turrets. IMO multiple player tanks should be encourages and made superior over single player tanks. Not of course demanding 2 or more player are required to pilot a tank, only that when 2x players man one they have a fair advantage over the singular player. I have had a bit of fun with gunners, murdering infantry, and rackin up some serious WP with kills. One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank. When tanks stack damage mods, the fight is over in just a few seconds, hardly enough time for gunners to react or even land enough shots to make a noticeable difference. With such a short ttk (due in large part to damage mods and very high turret damage) a gunner isn't as useful as the plate and rep I lose in my lows against dam modded rails. Now if they nerfed the damage mods down to 15 or 20, I would hold a significant advantage over other tanks when running gunners, running double damage mods myself. They may get a jump on me, but at least my gunners have time to lay down some double damage modded fire and perhaps turn the tables a bit. I run a Madrugar with 2 Railguns and an Ion Cannon, Single Rep, Single Hardener. We have destroyed more tanks in Amarr FW than I hazard to say anyone else has across FW's career. Not joking all 3 guns facing forwards would claim any tank until the triple Rep Madrugar craze blew up and did so against damage modded Sica's, Gunlogi, and always beat enemy armour tanks. Ah, Ion cannon. Yes, in this situation I do imagine it would be different as you are engaged much closer to the enemy and in a different way than I would with my rails. I'm generally a bit back from another rail tank, so the gunners don't seem to be able to do much as they only shoot like 150m out. But yes, in a close range engagement, where I can out maneuver another tank, the gunners provide good fire while I maneuver into a position I can fire. Sometimes, they nearly kill said tank. But often times all I come against are scrub tankers. Throw in a real tanker and things get a bit blurry, with gunners not always providing as much benefit as better modules would provide. I have had many great encounters with very skilled tankers in FW. The ones most vocal on the forums are not necessarily the best this game has to offer. I haven't seen another great tanker since fanfest...but haven't been in game as much as I used to be. Eitherway the Ion only because I am using my HAV not as a dedicated tank destroyer but as an MAV Troop Transport. Markdown:
Zirzo Valcyn Gunners Acadamy 527	Posted - 2014.05.27 23:35:00 - [16] - Quote be careful what you wish for, the blueberries usually shoot the MCC or supply depots while ignoring enemy players u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
FIRST TESTDUMMY Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 131	Posted - 2014.05.28 00:00:00 - [17] - Quote Is my assistance needed?
Ahkhomi Cypher Team Bad Decisions 63	Posted - 2014.05.28 10:52:00 - [18] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: One thing I noticed outright was how useless a gunner can be against another tank. Get a gunner with a mic and tell him to go to the overview map and call out other tank positions. That right there makes your gunner valuable against other tanks. You should now never have another tank sneak up on you and you'll set up your own ambushes more often. And small rails can push out 9 shots (i think) before overheating. Thats a pretty good bit of damage that can pull you through those fights were the winner leaves with triple digit or double digits of armor. they also can hop out and hack and shoot forge guns at dropships snd stuff P.s. i dont even tank bruh. i may just be talkin a bunch of bullshit. Whatever
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 346	Posted - 2014.05.28 11:49:00 - [19] - Quote I would like them to be marginally easier to fit; the compromises I have to make to my Gunnlogi to fit small turrets would either take ungodly amounts of SP, or cripple my vehicle entirely. Unfortunately I've not invested enough SP this time around to fit high quality small turrets... MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 973	Posted - 2014.05.28 12:48:00 - [20] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: I would like them to be marginally easier to fit; the compromises I have to make to my Gunnlogi to fit small turrets would either take ungodly amounts of SP, or cripple my vehicle entirely. Unfortunately I've not invested enough SP this time around to fit high quality small turrets... Yes, I wish it was easier. At 22m sp, wishin I had that 6 mil from infantry weapons to drop into small turret proficiencies! Tanks - Balancing Turrets

Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 282	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:33:00 - [21] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: My tank and try out these guns. Before tanks changes, blueberries be crazy about getting in a tank and sitting it out. Now I can't FORCE a player to jump in my tank. WTF is up with that. I've been running fits, with 2 small blasters, missiles (XTs), and rails, all paired with their counterpart large, and a damage mod. I run at a bit of a disadvantage to other pro tankers, especially when ******* blueberries pass up my pimpin tanks. So please jump in and give it a shot please, hard to test without test dummies. The problem is, these days mostly noon tankers fit extra turrets, so people don't bother jumping in cause they expect to die quickly. Not new, just new to you.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 3443	Posted - 2014.05.28 13:42:00 - [22] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: My tank and try out these guns. Before tanks changes, blueberries be crazy about getting in a tank and sitting it out. Now I can't FORCE a player to jump in my tank. WTF is up with that. I've been running fits, with 2 small blasters, missiles (XTs), and rails, all paired with their counterpart large, and a damage mod. I run at a bit of a disadvantage to other pro tankers, especially when ******* blueberries pass up my pimpin tanks. So please jump in and give it a shot please, hard to test without test dummies. The problem is, these days mostly noon tankers fit extra turrets, so people don't bother jumping in cause they expect to die quickly. ^^^ pretty much this. I used to jump into tanks all the time, esp. when I was rolling solo, but since they made it optional to do so, I don't even bother trying because it seems like nobody worth a damn has small turrets anymore. Quitting cold turkey was impossible. The forum patch is helping me kick the habit! See you in Destiny Amarr victor
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3978	Posted - 2014.05.28 15:57:00 - [23] - Quote I kick ass with small rails, but I'll roll around with you in your tank. I'm tired of running around trying to find bad guys that are camping somewhere giving zero fucks about winning the match. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance 973	Posted - 2014.05.28 21:55:00 - [24] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Lanius Pulvis wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: My tank and try out these guns. Before tanks changes, blueberries be crazy about getting in a tank and sitting it out. Now I can't FORCE a player to jump in my tank. WTF is up with that. I've been running fits, with 2 small blasters, missiles (XTs), and rails, all paired with their counterpart large, and a damage mod. I run at a bit of a disadvantage to other pro tankers, especially when ***** blueberries pass up my pimpin tanks. So please jump in and give it a shot please, hard to test without test dummies. The problem is, these days mostly noon tankers fit extra turrets, so people don't bother jumping in cause they expect to die quickly. ^^^ pretty much this. I used to jump into tanks all the time, esp. when I was rolling solo, but since they made it optional to do so, I don't even bother trying because it seems like nobody worth a damn has small turrets anymore. This is true, and what a difference a skilled tanker makes. Often times I do lose about one per 2 games when running my smalls, but people RARELY jump in, and quickly jump out for like no reason. Maybe if a blueberry or two would jump in and stay in we could really wreck **! Looking forward to the small turret changes and the extra SP. Turret proficiency here I come! Tanks - Balancing Turrets


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