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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:09:00 -
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(Not ranking me the OP. I'm a scrub, that's easy)
No, I want to get a historical perspective here. Give me your ranking of all the OP (mostly FOTM) weapons and suits of Dust. Pleas provide a brief rationale as well.
Here is your list. Remember that they should be ranked at the height of their power, I will give a time frame for some but not all.
Weapons: flaylock, TAR, beta LR, contact nade, 1.8 CR, 1.7 RR, 1.6 ScR, 1.8 HMG, beta HMG.
Suits: cal logi, gal logi, gal scout, cal scout.
My ranking is in the next post.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
3433
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:09:00 -
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Reserved
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:12:00 -
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Gal Scout + Dumbfire anti-infantry swarms?
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:15:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Gal Scout + Dumbfire anti-infantry swarms?
Got me there. I just missed the dumbfire swarms so I can't comment from personal experience.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:18:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Cross Atu wrote:Gal Scout + Dumbfire anti-infantry swarms? Got me there. I just missed the dumbfire swarms so I can't comment from personal experience. In the far away and long ago all scout suits were "Neo" but not because they were AUR
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Leeroy Gannarsein
Legio DXIV
328
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Posted - 2014.05.27 02:26:00 -
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I am actually pretty happy with the order you presented the weapons in; I wasn't around for the beta HMG, so that's not on my list.
As for suits: CalLogi, GalScout, GalLogi, CalScout.
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3471
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Posted - 2014.05.27 08:03:00 -
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Methods of killing more OP than any weapon: Logi-LAV 2MPH kills Beta Dropship missiles Melee Glitch Cloak Shotgun (not the shotgun itself, but the ability to fire right as you de-cloak)
Weapons:
1) 1.7 RR 2) Flaylock 3) TAC AR/Standard AR 4) Grenades in general before the 1.8 nerf to amount 5) Beta LR 6) Assault CR
Weapons I've never considered OP HMG ScR Mass Driver Dumb-fire swarm launcher
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 11:42:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Methods of killing more OP than any weapon: Logi-LAV 2MPH kills Beta Dropship missiles Melee Glitch Cloak Shotgun (not the shotgun itself, but the ability to fire right as you de-cloak)
Weapons:
1) 1.7 RR 2) Flaylock 3) TAC AR/Standard AR 4) Grenades in general before the 1.8 nerf to amount 5) Viziam LR 6) 1.8 Assault CR (it wasn't nerfed as hard as everything else in 1.8, which made it come out on top)
Reasoning:
The RR did as much or more damage than the TAC and the CR and the Laser, and did it at longer ranges. Not only that but it was always hard to see where the person was shooting from when they're 100 meters away from you. The flaylock was only OP because you didn't have to stand still to use it. You could jump around your target and make it impossible to hit you while dealing massive splash to your opponent while you didn't take any. The ARs weren't OP as much as they were just clearly better than everything else. They also did the most damage at long range because you could burst fire them to get perfect accuracy (still applicable today). Being able to spam 3 grenades, and having everyone and their mother doing it was just stupid. 2 makes them perfect for tactical use (i.e. you don't just spam them like they don't mean anything). Viziam was only annoying in combination with the AR. It was also an accident. The DEVs admitted that the Viziam was never supposed to have 20 damage, and it should have been 16 like the others. If you were just up against lasers you were fine because you just had to get close enough to them. If they also had AR users though, trying to rush in with a HMG was useless. The ACR was actually not that great of a weapon in 1.7. I mean it was, but compared to the RR's range it just wasn't easy to get within range of the enemy. Now that we have cloaks and that the other weapons got nerfed, the ACR is now on top and can easily be used to sneak around and punish the enemy while their back is turned.
Weapons I've never considered OP HMG ScR Mass Driver Dumb-fire swarm launcher Standard CR
I almost left off the ScR/HMG and did leave out the MD b/c I never bought into the argument it was OP either. Leaving off all three would have made the list too short tho, lol.
Otherwise, you have convinced me of 2 things: I'm moving up the RR and I must have suppressed my memories of the LLAV murder taxi! No other explanation for leaving that off. The OP will be edited.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.27 13:50:00 -
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Sniper HMGs.
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Sleepy Shadow
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
178
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Posted - 2014.05.27 14:53:00 -
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Tough call. They were all annoying in their time of reign.
Logi LAV TAR 1.8 CR Contact nade Flaylock 1.7 RR Beta HMG Beta LR 1.8 HMG
Logi LAVGÇÖs are the reason I have AV coming out my hindquarters. The time they were rampant is the one I have no fond memories off. I had thought about specializing in AV before this but not so vehemently. It caused me to hate all vehicles with such passion that I think my mouth still foams a little. I will switch to AV when vehicles are called in. I even allow myself to be killed so I can spawn in faster with AV than suicide or trying to find a supply depot. This is why Logi LAVGÇÖs are the clear winner for me.
TAR was annoying because it was abused by people with super-speshul-manhood-shrinkers. I find that more annoying than legitimately OP weapons. CR suffers from the same issue but it is also much too easy to spam bullets with any controller. Contact nades and Flaylocks could be on the same line, but I think the grenade spam was much worse than the Flaylock. During the peak of grenade spam I really wished I could equip a racket as a sidearm and send those puppies back where they came from.
Even though I still see the laser show in my mindGÇÖs eye whenever Manus Peak comes up, the 1.7 RR was more annoying than Beta HMG/LR. They were fearsome but the RR just seemed more ludicrous. 1.8 HMG while powerful pales in comparison to its old counterpart.
Cal logi Gal logi Any 1.8 scout
While Callogi suits were dropped relatively fast their time here was memorable. I cannot think of much that horrifies me more than seeing Calamity Jane and Anney Oakley on the enemy team knowing what was coming. Super-fast, nigh invisible monsters with ridiculous mass of HP blowing my head off with a shotgun from absolutely nowhereGǪ GallogiGÇÖs dance of death could be, if you were fast enough, countered with a flux grenade so it was more tolerable than the Callogis. And I would like to say that all scouts today are equally annoying not because of OPness but the sheer number of them. And I am one of them. I am almost sorry.
I would also like to give honorable mentions to these weapons:
Massdriver, the time when your screen shook from the explosion making it impossible to aim and they had more damage and radius Shotgun with sharpshooter level 5
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sniper HMGs.
Which ones are those? Beta?
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Symbioticforks
The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:36:00 -
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happy to see snipers were never a serious problem
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:38:00 -
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Logi ck.0 with Duvolle TAR was by far the darkest days IMO
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:41:00 -
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Callogis with TARs.
Nothing else on this list comes close.
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:43:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Logi ck.0 with Duvolle TAR was by far the darkest days IMO The days when you could see slayer Cals with TAR + Contact Nades taking out LAVs at range
In one ambush I saw a poor heavy try to LAV rush a squad with TARs, they destroyed his LAV with TAR fire and when he bailed at the last minute casual tossed contact nades at him. I don't think he even got off a single shot and they were all just standing out in the open.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:51:00 -
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Cross Atu wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Logi ck.0 with Duvolle TAR was by far the darkest days IMO The days when you could see slayer Cals with TAR + Contact Nades taking out LAVs at range In one ambush I saw a poor heavy try to LAV rush a squad with TARs, they destroyed his LAV with TAR fire and when he bailed at the last minute casual tossed contact nades at him. I don't think he even got off a single shot and they were all just standing out in the open.
That's true enough, there's really no combination that can come even close to that because none of the others coexisted beyond scout + ACR, which is annoying but not in the same league. Guess I'll have to add that to the OP!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 17:55:00 -
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Symbioticforks wrote:happy to see snipers were never a serious problem
Beta manus peak would like to have a word with you. Even early Uprising manus peak before the sockets with more cover came in.
(They were never really OP, though.)
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.05.27 18:24:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Symbioticforks wrote:happy to see snipers were never a serious problem Beta manus peak would like to have a word with you. Even early Uprising manus peak before the sockets with more cover came in. (They were never really OP, though.) Manus "red line" Peak might be considered OP tho source of more redline matches than any other map
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.27 20:06:00 -
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How come the ScR never makes it to the list?
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.27 20:35:00 -
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Post nerf flaylock 1.8 av grenades Plasma cannon Proximity mines Ion pistol breach AR burst AR
All of these were and still are extremely OP and should be nerfed into the next century!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.27 20:40:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:How come the ScR never makes it to the list?
It was on my original list (at the bottom) but I took it off after later posts. It was never really the FoTM and was no more or less OP than the Duvolle was at the same time (1.6-ish) unless it was paired with an Amarr assault in which case it was a little better, but not by enough to make it the clear choice.
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knight of 6
Heaven's Lost Property
1977
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:42:00 -
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1) infinite range missile tanks hill sniping (on manus peak for extra lulz) 2) gunships (aka OPships, missile dropships) 3) swarm scouts outrunning their hitboxes 4) chomo LR
honorable mentions: chromo remote LAV reps/shield booster + a surya (literally unkillable and ******* halarious, OP as hell but never became meta) remote LAV reps/sheild booster + 2 heavys (meta for a little while but took three people to pull off and they were still mortal)
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Rugudorull Apophicyria
Laser Focused on PS3
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:58:00 -
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.05.28 00:13:00 -
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The Laser rifle.
Yeah, believe it or not, there was a time when it was being spammed from the rooftops, every match was a laser lightshow. Back just before Uprising hit.
And Logi Lav Death Cars.
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Glyd Path
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.28 01:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sniper HMGs. I don't believe I agree with this one.
If you mean the assault variant HMGs they had longer range but did less damage. I have cleared the roof of delta from the roof of charlie in line harvest (two garages). Once it was supported with heavy weapon sharpshooting and the various proficiencies it was a great long medium range weapon. Of course any LR could drop the heavy using it but only if he hadn't been surprised first.
If you mean Sniper Heavies then that has been more of an Uprising issue. I think.
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PLAYSTTION
Universal Allies Inc.
141
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Posted - 2014.05.28 01:31:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:(Not ranking me the OP. I'm a scrub, that's easy)
No, I want to get a historical perspective here. Give me your ranking of all the OP (mostly FOTM) weapons and suits of Dust. Pleas provide a brief rationale as well.
Here is your list. Remember that they should be ranked at the height of their power, I will give a time frame for some but not all.
Weapons: flaylock, TAR, beta LR, contact nade, 1.8 CR, 1.7 RR, 1.8 HMG, beta HMG, murder taxi (logi LAV)
Suits: cal logi, gal logi, gal scout, cal scout.
My ranking is in the next post.
EDIT: The clear winner in the OP FOTM sweepstakes is CalLogi + TAR (+ contact nade *shudders*). If anyone can come up with anything even close to that... well, you can't but go ahead and try. The 1.0 Cal logi with a Duvolle tactical.
Ohh those were the days
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Poonmunch
Sanguis Defense Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.05.28 02:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Sniper HMGs.
You kill me, man.
So to speak.
Not dead but laughing.
Munch
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.05.28 11:43:00 -
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*bumps thread*
You saw nothing, capishe?
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
4743
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Posted - 2014.05.28 14:00:00 -
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Dropships of doom, and the Chromosome Viziam from beta builds.
Anything else is just naive.
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RIP Dust514.
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