DUST Search - Tweaking ADS mechanics

Nothing Certain wrote:

Eko Sol wrote:

Nothing Certain wrote:

No, swarms are the AV half of the problem, cost is the ADS side of the problem. Buff Swarms, lower ADS costs.

I ran a starter AV fit today with my swarms to Level 4. Some red ditched his dropship and it fell in front of me next to a supply depot. It had no shield but most of its armor.and is like 50 meters away. I lock on and fire as fast as I can. I get nowhere, I shoot 10 volleys at it and I'm standing right beside the depot but I'm losing ground. A tank comes along and kills with two shots in two seconds before this experiment was finished. This is not a case of bad tactics and or user error, The dropship was winning the fight even with no pilot and me in the best possible circumstances. This is plain broken.

My issue is that people think either the vehicle dies or the infantry dies in AV vs V battles. Why can't it be a stand off? I run into plenty of Inf vs Inf fire fights where I just don't think I'm winning or we both have good skills and cover and one of us has to take a risk to win. When no one takes that risk I just get away and find another fight.

You have the wrong mentality. As far as I am concerned you properly AV'd that drop ship. It no longer was a threat so you should have just moved on.

I would have hacked it and try flying it myself if that had been my purpose. I was running this character which only plays in starter suits and free stuff CCP gives me. I saw the dropship so switched to the starter AV suit since I was at the depot, just to see what would happen. Whether it was smart AV playing is not relevant, what is relevant is that I could not destroy the dropship with a militia SL. It wasn't that it was difficult or that I needed a change in strategy, with 10 volleys it was winning. A pilot could safely ignore me the entire game.


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Eko Sol Strange Playings 386	Posted - 2014.05.27 07:15:00 - [1] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: No, swarms are the AV half of the problem, cost is the ADS side of the problem. Buff Swarms, lower ADS costs. I ran a starter AV fit today with my swarms to Level 4. Some red ditched his dropship and it fell in front of me next to a supply depot. It had no shield but most of its armor.and is like 50 meters away. I lock on and fire as fast as I can. I get nowhere, I shoot 10 volleys at it and I'm standing right beside the depot but I'm losing ground. A tank comes along and kills with two shots in two seconds before this experiment was finished. This is not a case of bad tactics and or user error, The dropship was winning the fight even with no pilot and me in the best possible circumstances. This is plain broken. My issue is that people think either the vehicle dies or the infantry dies in AV vs V battles. Why can't it be a stand off? I run into plenty of Inf vs Inf fire fights where I just don't think I'm winning or we both have good skills and cover and one of us has to take a risk to win. When no one takes that risk I just get away and find another fight. You have the wrong mentality. As far as I am concerned you properly AV'd that drop ship. It no longer was a threat so you should have just moved on. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 393	Posted - 2014.05.28 22:49:00 - [2] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Nothing Certain wrote: No, swarms are the AV half of the problem, cost is the ADS side of the problem. Buff Swarms, lower ADS costs. I ran a starter AV fit today with my swarms to Level 4. Some red ditched his dropship and it fell in front of me next to a supply depot. It had no shield but most of its armor.and is like 50 meters away. I lock on and fire as fast as I can. I get nowhere, I shoot 10 volleys at it and I'm standing right beside the depot but I'm losing ground. A tank comes along and kills with two shots in two seconds before this experiment was finished. This is not a case of bad tactics and or user error, The dropship was winning the fight even with no pilot and me in the best possible circumstances. This is plain broken. My issue is that people think either the vehicle dies or the infantry dies in AV vs V battles. Why can't it be a stand off? I run into plenty of Inf vs Inf fire fights where I just don't think I'm winning or we both have good skills and cover and one of us has to take a risk to win. When no one takes that risk I just get away and find another fight. You have the wrong mentality. As far as I am concerned you properly AV'd that drop ship. It no longer was a threat so you should have just moved on. I would have hacked it and try flying it myself if that had been my purpose. I was running this character which only plays in starter suits and free stuff CCP gives me. I saw the dropship so switched to the starter AV suit since I was at the depot, just to see what would happen. Whether it was smart AV playing is not relevant, what is relevant is that I could not destroy the dropship with a militia SL. It wasn't that it was difficult or that I needed a change in strategy, with 10 volleys it was winning. A pilot could safely ignore me the entire game. It is relevant. Doing something stupid and then saying the game is not balanced is stupid in itself. I was nice before. Gloves are off. If an ADS is running adv to proto reps and plates then a MLT Swarm shouldn't destroy it. Again, you properly AV'd the ship and it was time for you to move on to something else to get the win. I'll repeat: IT IS RELEVANT THAT YOU DID SOMETHING STUPID LIKE PICK A BATTLE YOU CAN'T WIN. For the record. I have tested with a teammate a gorgon with zero modules vs a MLT swarm. MLT Swarm won. I tested a MLT swarm against a gorgon sitting still with all MLT stuff. MLT Swarms won. Yes we qsynced and finally went against eachother. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...