Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
1913
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Posted - 2014.05.26 03:45:00 -
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This idea was originally posted on the General Forums. Due to CCP Rattati being active, I have decided to re-post it here.
For each level that a Scout has in X Scout, the cost of Cloaks are reduced by:
Basic Cloak: 24 CPU, 5.25 PG
Advanced Cloak: 34.65, 6.9 PG
Prototype Cloak: 49.5 CPU, 10.5 PG
Going with my love of the Caldari:
Basic: 174 / 33
Advanced: 224 / 46
Prototype: 348 / 66
So a level 1 Caldari Scout with a Basic Cloak burns 147.9 / 28.05. This means that a base Caldari Scout only has 26.1 / 4.95 free space. That is hardly enough to fit a basic weapon, let alone anything else. At level 5 Caldari Scout, the basic suit would have 130.25 / 24.75 free. It becomes way too prohibitive to try out a Cloak with a fit to see if you actually want to throw points into it to do it well. No other suit basically states "you must be this tall to ride the roller-coaster." If I have a Commando at rank 1, it still works like a Commando at rank 5 just not as well as a rank 5 Commando. In the case of a Scout, it means that you can actually fit it with modules. Not higher level modules, mind you; just to not have stuff be utterly empty.
Edit:
I have been coming around to the straight role bonus of a reduction of 75% for Scouts, especially with the changes coming to Cloaks (no scan profile reduction, basic cloak doesn't last as long). Getting a larger Scan Radius and better Precision, Scan Radius + Profile Damp, Nova Knife + Hacking, and Stamina + Recovery makes Scouts have two bonuses anyway for leveling up (though the Amarr one does really suck). On top of the "getting a better suit" thing, I actually really believe that a flat 75% reduction is the way to go. A basic Scout can fit a basic Cloak and fill up with decent fittings or they can go advanced Cloak but have to lower their defenses. Seems fair given that basic Cloaks are likely no longer going to be sufficient. Thanks to all of those who threw out this idea; it has made me change my mind.
You can still read below for my original thinking and numbers.
I still believe that Light Frames should have a 25% reduction though so they can at least try a cloak. They won't be good at it but can "try before you buy."
My suggestion is to change the blanket Scout bonus: "10%% reduction in Cloak CPU/PG fitting cost" but set a Role Bonus for Scouts and Light Frames to add 25% to that reduction. This means instead of 15, 30, 45, 60, 75 reduction it would be 35, 45, 55, 65, 75. This will let people test the waters far easier if they want to be a Scout before throwing in points.
At the moment, it costs 223,880 SP to get X Light Frame to 3 and then X Scout to 1. This is the lowest level to be able to test a Scout + Cloak combo. AUR doesn't help because the fitting requirements of the Cloak. If a 25% base was added to Light Frames and Scouts, you could at least try it before investing nearly a week's worth of SP. It also means that you can help the lower SP Scouts to be able to be a Scout without making the higher SP Scouts more powerful.
Comments and thoughts in regards to the suggestion? If you like the thread, leave a reply of some kind. If you disagree, leave a reply so I can try to see the flaw in my logic.
Edit - From the EVE Dev Blog:
"Currently drones are a very skill-intensive weapon system, thanks to the legacy of the original drone implementation years ago. The Drone Interfacing skill currently provides a 20% increase in drone damage per level, which makes it one of the most powerful skills in the game but also means that to be competitive with drones it is usually necessary to train this rank-5 skill all the way to level 5. The result is that drones have earned a reputation as a weapon system that is not suitable for new players.
We will be minimizing this problem by reducing the bonus from the Drone Interfacing skill to 10% per level, and building the extra damage into the base stats of the drones. That means that on average, all drones will be gaining about 33% more base damage and a character with Drone Interfacing trained to level 5 will see their damage remain constant (ignoring for a moment all the other drone changes being made in this release). We believe that 10% per level is still a very suitable bonus for a rank 5 skill, and the Drone Interfacing skill will remain very desirable. Level 5 Drone Interfacing should, however, cease to be the absolute necessity that it is today."
I am suggesting something similar for cloaks.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
1943
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Posted - 2014.05.30 21:19:00 -
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Quick numbers:
Basic Cloak Cost: 160 / 35
Scout 1: 136 / 29.75
Scout 2: 112 / 24.5
Scout 3: 88 / 19.25
Scout 4: 64 / 14
Scout 5: 40 / 8.75
Advanced Cloak Cost: 231 / 49
Scout 1: 196.35 / 41.65
Scout 2: 161.7 / 34.3
Scout 3: 127.05 / 26.95
Scout 4: 92.4 / 19.6
Scout 5: 57.75 / 12.25
Prototype Cloak Cost: 330 / 70
Scout 1: 280.5 / 59.5
Scout 2: 231 / 49
Scout 3: 181.5 / 38.5
Scout 4: 132 / 28
Scout 5: 82.5 / 17.5
Things to note:
At level 5, a Prototype Cloak is easier to fit then an Advanced Cloak of any level other than 5. The same is true for Advanced to Basic Cloaks.
At Scout 5, a Prototype Cloak is easier to fit (83 / 18) than a Basic Cloak at Scout 3 (88 / 19). Considering my Scout is 3, it means that I am basically lumping around a Prototype costing module that once the change happens will only last 15 seconds compared to 40 seconds (3/8th's the duration). The duration is fine but the fact that just because I am not level 5 my Basic suits have an anchor around their neck is unfair.
No other bonus is so important. Because of how important the bonus is, it really should not be limited to those that spend an extra 2.44 million SP. Getting a better suit and getting a bonus of the Racial Suit is enough to warrant going to 5 if you want to dedicate to the suit. However, it should not be necessary to be able to use it.
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Joseph Ridgeson
warravens
Final Resolution.
1989
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Posted - 2014.06.11 18:17:00 -
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The difference is that the other specializations are not as hampered at level 1 compared to Scouts. A level 5 Logistics using a Basic Logistics is only slightly better than a Logistics 1 in the same suit. They can fit a little more equipment and their racial equipment type is better. Comparing Scout 5 in a Basic Scout with a Cloak and a Scout 1 in a Basic Cloak isn't a "they are slightly better." It is "they are not naked."
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