only if you come out of the redline...

The very, very, very last thing Dust needs right now is more passive, campy gameplay.

It takes me three times as long to kill the red.

I'm in a highly dangerous position while doing it (i.e. IN FRONT OF HIM) whereas you are sitting pretty 3-600 metres away.


You can kill things as quickly as me when you come down with the test of us.


And you're missing the point.


It takes me near enough to three times as long to kill the ck.0 (I'm not prof 5). Why should a sniper rifle be able to do it more quickly, aside from "it's a tank sniper rifle"?

while its true that some snipers do come out of the redline i havnt seen many and i doubt you have either. yeah yeah just because i didnt see them doesnt mean they were not there. what i can say is that when ive been shot by a sniper the fire 9/10 times comes from the redline.

so sorry to say this but your acusation this time lacks merit. we all know the redline is an issue and that sniper rifle is the weapon most used to fire from the redline.

and you could post something a little bit more useful than links to explantion i already know and understand. and to think you were almostan amusing troll. 1/10 for effort.

so you dont refute the arguement yet im the troll?

the redline is my issue here. i dont see why anyone should be allowed to sit in a place where the only counter is suicide or ob.

and saying a sniper is the counter to a sniper is stupid. just like this whole only tanks should kill tanks thing.

Which reminds me.

I should have that thread I was talking about made in about an hour or so.

oh my...

same guy, another sniper thread, and yet another comment about red line snipers...followed with the multitude ways of killing a sniper...again.

if you have a problem with red lines try your own thread bobba.
or am i wrong in assuming you also have an issue with forge gunners and rail tanks in the red lines?

we don't use red lines because they mean people cant get to us, not the decent ones of us. we go to the best positions for the situation at hand and have been asking for better positions since last year... not our fault that we keep getting contrary folks on all of the sniper threads mate.

we ask for the weapon we enjoy playing the game with to get some attention as the rest of the game has moved beyond the thing these rifles were balanced on.

even we don't want blanket buffs that will reward the type of folk you keep talking about, they don't get regular headshots or even get many kills or for that matter much sp or w. we want to be rewarded for being good.

I'm not one to make excuses, but I'm almost done.

I'm simply gathering data about the max rendering range of the Sniper Rifle, compared to the Absolute range of the Sniper Rifle, which will aid me in my argument about making the zoom adjustable.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect to 1 shot anything but a practically untanked scout, honestly.
In a game where someone paid ISK for that suit hitscan instakills from long range are not a good thing.

No, that specific part that I quoted was questioning why snipers weren't one shotting a form of bricktank.

3 clips of a tactical into a heavy is unreasonable, I agree. It needs to be able to kill them more efficiently than that.



Yes.

Manus Peak is not a map designed to go well with shotguns or cloaks.
The research facility doesn't work brilliantly with tanks.
Forge guns don't work in CQC maps like that either.

Combat rifles are ungodly powerful regardless of the map design though, yeah. But snipers aren't quite alone in having map design impede them.

Since you put a lot of thought into this, I'll give a real response. Sniping with your squad is rewarded less that hiding on a hill and getting easy kills due to the relative safety afforded by the redline. If you want to make sniping a worthwhile role cut the optimal down to 80, the effective down to 175 and the absolute to 300. This makes the sniper rifle a "tactical marksman" role, requiring you to be a part of the fight in order to get kills.

Once the range is fixed, you can buff the damage or RoF drastically to make up for the lack of redline safety.

Tactical marksman can then be used for ranged point defense or for clearing targets on an objective while the squad moves in, giving them an actual use on the field of battle.