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Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8842	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:37:00 - [1] - Quote Which reminds me. I should have that thread I was talking about made in about an hour or so. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8842	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:38:00 - [2] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: only if you come out of the redline... Fallacious drivel is fallacious. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8844	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:04:00 - [3] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: My 'Templar' ScR four-shots untanked MLT Caldari Mediums. A bricked Assault ck.0 can take up to 13 shots from a prof 5 Viziam, assuming all my shots land. This isn't a valid argument, because the RoF on the Scrambler Rifle is far higher than that of the Sniper Rifle. With 705.88 RPM, you can fire 11 shots in a single second, while the Sniper Rifle can only fire 1 shot. That would be like saying Combat Rifles are underpowered because they take 4-5 bursts to kill a target, while a Forge Gun only requires one shot. ((However, it should be noted that the Scrambler Rifle is Semi-Automatic, meaning that the RoF can vary from person to person, and it should also be noted that I used the Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle's RoF in my comparison.)) Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Why, exactly, should sniper rifles be any different? Because unlike the SCR, the Sniper Rifle doesn't have a 45 round magazine, and using a Sniper Rifle requires you to go into a "tunnelvision" view where you lose most situational awareness capabilities; making you easy prey for a Scout or anyone with a Scanner. Because unlike the SCR, Sniper Rifles have [virtually] no effectiveness in CQC, and highly restricted efficency in mid-range combat, to the point where a Rail Rifle would be far more useful. It should also be noted that you cannot compare a niche weapon to a conventional rifle, in the same sense that you cannot compare a conventional rifle to an Anti-Vehicle weapon. A more valid comparison, would be the Shotgun and Nova Knife (additional niche weapons which rely on high alpha damage to perform well). In which case, I'd be forced to laugh at you because Nova Knives and Shotguns 1-2HK just about everything when fully specced into, and used on the proper suit. (ie, Matari Scout Frames). HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8844	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:28:00 - [4] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: while its true that some snipers do come out of the redline i havnt seen many and i doubt you have either. yeah yeah just because i didnt see them doesnt mean they were not there. what i can say is that when ive been shot by a sniper the fire 9/10 times comes from the redline. Have you tracked down the Sniper 9/10 times to see if it was in the redline? Or did you look at the 'Distance Away' section on the killboard, and come to the conclusion that s/he is in the redline? Along with this, do you have actual data (such as a list of times you've died to a Sniper Rifle); or can I dismiss this as anecdotal evidence that has no actual merit? boba's fetta wrote: so sorry to say this but your acusation this time lacks merit. we all know the redline is an issue and that sniper rifle is the weapon most used to fire from the redline. When you say "sniper rifle is the weapon most used to fire from the redline" which variant do you mean? Would you be referring to the pre-fitted loadout labeled 'Sniper'? If so, that's an outlier that should be considered irrelevant. Otherwise, we could gather data to show the battlefield competence of those using a 'pre-fitted Medic' or 'Frontline' fitting with a MLT Assault Rifle, and then use that data to determine the competence of the average Assault Rifle user. Or would it be safe to assume that those using a pre-fitted Starter Frame are outliers, and a data sample involving them is inaccurate. However, if you are reffering to those who aren't in 'Sniper' fittings, I'd like to see you supply data to support that. boba's fetta wrote: and you could post something a little bit more useful than links to explantion i already know and understand. and to think you were almostan amusing troll. 1/10 for effort. Not quite sure what else you wanted me to post. Your statement was a single incomplete sentence, which was nothing but fallacious drivel. The fact that you acknowledged that it was fallacious drivel and still decided to post it anyway makes you [by definition] a troll. 2/10 ~Falls apart quickly. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8845	Posted - 2014.05.25 15:25:00 - [5] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: While the statement is absolutely an example of said fallacy, your dismissing it is an equally good example of a straw man. Not quite sure how my dismissal is an example of the Strawman. Quote: A straw man is an intentional misrepresentation of an opponent's position, often used in debates with unsophisticated audiences to make it appear that the opponent's arguments are more easily defeated than they are. [1] Unintentional misrepresentations are also possible, but in this case, the individual is guilty only of simple ignorance. While their argument would still be fallacious, they can be at least excused of mallice. Was his argument a fallacy? Yes. Are fallacies valid in arguments? No. Therefore, his argument is fallacious drivel. That's not me misrepresenting his position, that's me coming to a logical conclusion based on the information provided. Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: The sniper rifle is absolutely abused by redline campers. You cannot deny this. The general drop in sniper rifle effectiveness has led to a drop in their usage, absolutely, but the fact remains: throughout DUST's history redline campers have made up a large proportion of snipers. Buffing the sniper rifle without addressing this core issue is no more than aiding and abetting. The core issue is the lack of incentive to use the Sniper Rifle outside the redline, as the reward is not worth the risk. Buffing it would solve that issue. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8850	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:57:00 - [6] - Quote I'm not one to make excuses, but I'm almost done. I'm simply gathering data about the max rendering range of the Sniper Rifle, compared to the Absolute range of the Sniper Rifle, which will aid me in my argument about making the zoom adjustable. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property 8850	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:58:00 - [7] - Quote STABBEY wrote: Why does a weapon that can 1-2 shot almost anything need "love" Not you too. HvLP Spreadsheet Warrior Why Do Slayers Get All The Credit? :( -HAND

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