DUST Search - Hot fixing infantry but not vehicles?

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote:

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV.

Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO.

And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out ( no single infantry could do that vs. 3 infantry ever) Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it?

You want to talk rock paper scissors? Then AV should be unable to have a sidearm. There's rock paper scissors balance for you.

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HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 85	Posted - 2014.05.25 03:04:00 - [1] - Quote Galante scouts are slightly out of balance mostly for the possible unscanability by anything at all...But no changes to av, or the near invincibility of some tanks/ADS? ( I know their expensive... How many soldiers own their own jet? They should be.) paper/rock/scissors, let's see balance. CCP, what does most of the killing? Not what is being bought the most, it only tells us what's being destroyed the most. This next hot fix seems like it might cause a new problem, like even slower targets for tanks/ADS. Lonewolf till I die
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens Final Resolution. 1898	Posted - 2014.05.25 03:08:00 - [2] - Quote They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. "This is B.S! This is B.S! I paid money! Cash money, dollars money, cash money!"
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 85	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:23:00 - [3] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out. Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it? Lonewolf till I die
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 141	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:34:00 - [4] - Quote Can I get a link to these hot fixes or are they still to be determined? Planetside 2 November 20 Join me, Join me now or gtfo
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.25 04:35:00 - [5] - Quote I believe a Forge Gun can kill tanks . That's one thing . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:30:00 - [6] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I believe a Forge Gun can kill tanks . That's one thing . 1 v 1 your going to take on a tank without a serious tactical advantage when you booth know where each other is? Have you ever played paper rock scissors? Me thinks people are handicapped in these forums or pilots are trying to troll me. Lonewolf till I die
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:34:00 - [7] - Quote And vehicle vs. vehicle is rock vs. rock let's not be dumb now. Lonewolf till I die
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2529	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:49:00 - [8] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Galante scouts are slightly out of balance mostly for the possible unscanability by anything at all...But no changes to av, or the near invincibility of some tanks/ADS? ( I know their expensive... How many soldiers own their own jet? They should be.) paper/rock/scissors, let's see balance. CCP, what does most of the killing? Not what is being bought the most, it only tells us what's being destroyed the most. This next hot fix seems like it might cause a new problem, like even slower targets for tanks/ADS. they were buffing av grenades, increasing hmg/plasma cannon damage to vehicles, and reducing the effectiveness of blasters against infantry. this is only hotfix 1, i doubt it will be the last nerfes to vehicles.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2529	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:50:00 - [9] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out ( no single infantry could do that vs. 3 infantry ever) Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it? if it makes you feel any better I think hardeners are a waste of time ^^
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 281	Posted - 2014.05.25 06:03:00 - [10] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I believe a Forge Gun can kill tanks . That's one thing . 1 v 1 your going to take on a tank without a serious tactical advantage when you booth know where each other is? Have you ever played paper rock scissors? Me thinks people are handicapped in these forums or pilots are trying to troll me. If it makes you feel any better I don't ever try to take on a tank without a serious tactical advantage. Even wen I have a particle cannon. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1

darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 805	Posted - 2014.05.25 06:16:00 - [11] - Quote ADS invincible????!? its a flying coffin a tap from everything either its hp is out or it flips upside down.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9912	Posted - 2014.05.25 06:19:00 - [12] - Quote So Gallente scout is unbalanced for being impossible to scan down when using two dampeners (it used to be one + cloak but the cloak dampening thing was removed), but having Caldari Scout see everything everywhere ever is fine? Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone Psychotic Alliance 1265	Posted - 2014.05.25 07:49:00 - [13] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out ( no single infantry could do that vs. 3 infantry ever) Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it? You want to talk rock paper scissors? Then AV should be unable to have a sidearm. There's rock paper scissors balance for you. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 08:22:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So Gallente scout is unbalanced for being impossible to scan down when using two dampeners (it used to be one + cloak but the cloak dampening thing was removed), but having Caldari Scout see everything everywhere ever is fine? Umm they can use 4 dampeners and if they do that then only a caldari using 4 precision mods should be able see them but... Nobody else. Rock Paper Scissors. Do I need to hold people's hands and walk you through this concept?and cloak bonus is still in the description 25% Lonewolf till I die
HOWDIDHEKILLME Dying to Reload 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 08:28:00 - [15] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out ( no single infantry could do that vs. 3 infantry ever) Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it? You want to talk rock paper scissors? Then AV should be unable to have a sidearm. There's rock paper scissors balance for you. No sidearm ... Ok if vehicles can only attack installation and each other ... Oh, sounds dumb when you think about it like that right? Lonewolf till I die
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 936	Posted - 2014.05.25 11:51:00 - [16] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: They want to make steps. One at a time. Probably because they have so few people working on the game right now but it is better. One of the problems with all of CCP's patches is that they have changed multiple things at the same time. "Hmm, tanks are too powerful. Let's nerf their PG, remove Engineering from helping their PG, and increase damage of AV." That leads to massive changes like 1.7 which swung too yet again by modifying vehicles and nerfing AV. Small slow steps are favorable to big slow steps that take months to fix IMO. And right now av vs. ads/tanks is unbalanced any idiot knows it, infantry can't armor/shield harden to fight 2-3 av'rs, tank damage then run like hell when it's about to run out ( no single infantry could do that vs. 3 infantry ever) Cloaking with a dampening effect makes gal scout un scannable by anything, needs minor change, time length is not the issue. Paper rock scissors, not Kevlar rock scissors. You missed the whole point, everything should have one thing that can kill it, or it's unbalanced.. Get it? You want to talk rock paper scissors? Then AV should be unable to have a sidearm. There's rock paper scissors balance for you. You do realise the flip side to that is that vehicles should only be able to target either another vehicle or just infantry but not both including road kills. Public Relations - tick tick BOOM. PSN: CallOfTheDark
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1763	Posted - 2014.05.25 12:40:00 - [17] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: I believe a Forge Gun can kill tanks . That's one thing . I also brought down a Sica with a modified anti-armor starter fit (AV grenades and nanohive). I've been able to deal lots of damage to tanks with that fit, though it is a bit situational. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Sir Dukey SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 932	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:40:00 - [18] - Quote HOWDIDHEKILLME wrote: Galante scouts are slightly out of balance mostly for the possible unscanability by anything at all...But no changes to av, or the near invincibility of some tanks/ADS? ( I know their expensive... How many soldiers own their own jet? They should be.) paper/rock/scissors, let's see balance. CCP, what does most of the killing? Not what is being bought the most, it only tells us what's being destroyed the most. This next hot fix seems like it might cause a new problem, like even slower targets for tanks/ADS. Like you spent millions of sp into infantry, some people spent millions in ADS, It takes the same amount of skill to get a python to level 5 as it does to get caldari logi to level 5. It takes the same amount of skill to get proto missiles as it does Proto Rail rifle but also remeber that you have to take small turret operation to level 5 which you only have to take to 2( I think) to get the RR, Also, don't forget that fitting stuff on a python isn't easy because it lacks so much CPU and PG. It takes a lot of sp to get complex shield mods and afterburners, it takes a lot of sp to get the skills needed to fit them. To properly fit python it takes one complex PG enhancement. You can get your own jet if you wish to but it takes 20x more skill to kill with python than it does to aim and shoot with a RR. When flying Python you have to avoid RDVs, you have to avoid tapping little things because it will bring your shield to like 0 (broken collision damage on shield vehicles). And at the end of the day, you have to watch out for double damage modded sica (77k isk) bringing down your 500k isk python in 2 seconds (2 shots). You have no reason to complain about Dropships being OP because they're not. HTFU
Zirzo Valcyn Gunners Acadamy 527	Posted - 2014.05.25 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: ADS invincible????!? its a flying coffin a tap from everything either its hp is out or it flips upside down. yea 1 guy/the op has been crying all week about it which means CCP will definately take note and nerf accordingly u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189


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