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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:11:00 -
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Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you?
You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:41:00 -
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Arcturis Vanguard wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you?
You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out.
lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship.
How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time.
So I think the guy should deal with it.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:45:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Arcturis Vanguard wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Wait, wait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? You want to change a method of attack people use against you because its killing you?
You can't be serious here. No man. This is a joke/troll thread. Agree. Sure it might feel cheap to you but imagine how AV specialist feel about you being in the air and having their AV be of little to no effect in taking you out. lol wait, wait, wait, the OP is talking about being rammed in his tank by a dropship. How can we accept bomb trucks but cannot accept dropship ramming? That's what I don't understand. So kamikaze planes are just wrong? Hey, its a part of war. Factions have kamikaze squads all the time. So I think the guy should deal with it. No he's talking about being rammed by other dropships while in a dropship. Reading comprehension.
Oh wow you got me there! Whatever will I do?! Seriously, the point remains. What's the problem? Kamikaze is a part of this game and war.
So he wants to change something because he doesn't have Maverick piloting skills to evade the suicide dropship?
Taken further, it can be implied that he himself is camping objective (how else are you getting rammed by another dropship while you're in a dropship? You're not paying attention to the skies), terrorizing people below him, something like Judge would do.
So people find a way to get rid of him and we should know just say "oh yea, you're right! That's not fair! Lets change that!"
Uhhhhh NO
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:52:00 -
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How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves.
Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you.
All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there!
C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 01:56:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for.
The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target.
The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down.
Please. He wants to change it because he gets kamikaze'd. That's the whole point of his post. I fly dropships. I know the vulnerability of them.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 02:06:00 -
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Izlare Lenix wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Izlare Lenix wrote:Anyone who dosent ads won't understand the issue at hand. Literally everything in this game can easily kill an ads if used properly. Most annoying on this very long list of ads killers is RDVs which literally spawn out of thin air in front of you and there is ZERO counter for.
The problem with dropship ramming is it doesn't take much of an impact to set an ads on fire. I would have no issue if a dropship at full speed rammed me and killed my ads because that would require skill to hit the target.
The problem now is a militia ds can barely graze an ads and bring it down. It's almost as bad as touching an rdv or mcc and boom your on fire, ads down. Please. He wants to change it because he gets kamikaze'd. That's the whole point of his post. I fly dropships. I know the vulnerability of them. Kamikazes flew full speed into their target to achieve success. They didn't tickle their target. It takes almost no speed to "ram" an ads out of the sky. That is the issue.
So he suggest the damage should be given to them, hence he is seeking means on eliminating ramming dropships. Which means he's not trying to address the problem you're speaking of. He's just trying to save his own hide while he camp on objectives. It's simple.
And seriously, its not that serious. A DS ramming you will take some of your life. If you know how to maneuver and have reps, you can get out of the area, rep and return. People ramming him with a DS probably more than likely have REs attached onto them. I have been hit by a DS before and my DS just didn't blow up on impact.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 02:07:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Michael Arck wrote:How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves.
Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you.
All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there!
C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít.
You don't like what I say. I could care less. You can't handle my opinions and want to seek me in game. We'll see each other on the battlefield.
The difference between me and your soft nature is that if you beat me, I will continuously come back for you and beat you. Instead of coming to the forums crying that they should nerf MLT fits because you bested me in a 1 on 1.
Again, push the bar from your chest.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 04:12:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:Michael Arck wrote:How are we to defend ourselves against people like you who don't know how to suck it up? Seriously. People like you will change the game only to benefit yourselves.
Yet its okay if you fly around and use your scanners in a dropship to find people whereas mercenary scanners are terrible in comparison to DS scanners. It's okay for you to get in your dropship and place uplink at the highest point, raining down terror on mercenaries. It's okay for you to hover above objectives and assault players underneath you.
All those things people have to deal with, dealing with you. But a ramming dropship hitting you? Oh no! The buck stops there!
C'mon now. Push the bar from your chest. Grab a forge gun? Its not impossible to kill a dropship, and don't get me wrong I'd like to see swarms and plasma cannons become more viable at their roles. However I do not want to see them go back to 1.6 levels where all you have to do is lock and fire and destroy anything you look at. Av should be like any other role, where experience and skill are rewarded. That's another topic though. To humor you, if your running your proto gear and I run up to you in my milita suit and touch you and you die, you would be okay with that? The issue here is that these suicide dropships instantly kill my ship, they don't even have to be going fast, they just have to touch me. It's like my whole ship is made out of glass. If we reduced collision damage from ramming so that the suicide ship had to be going full speed or even afterburning to completely destroy a complex fitted assault dropship then I could consider it a more legitimate tactic like JLAV's. Right now its just bull sh-ít. You don't like what I say. I could care less. You can't handle my opinions and want to seek me in game. We'll see each other on the battlefield. The difference between me and your soft nature is that if you beat me, I will continuously come back for you and beat you. Instead of coming to the forums crying that they should nerf MLT fits because you bested me in a 1 on 1. Again, push the bar from your chest. I'm sure you would have some valid points if you weren't coming off like such a raging d-íck head. From what I can read here you listed a few of the things an assault dropship pilot can do and a lot of stuff any body can do with a milita ship. I don't see how it justifies keeping a broken mechanic that allows for easy instant kills. I think you mid understood my question, I didn't fight you in my milita suit, I didn't shoot or throw a grenade or strafe or anything that would typically happen in a fire fight, I just ran up to your proto suit and touched you, and you die, instantly. Would you be okay with that? As much as I would love to keep calling in assault dropships to fight these suicide dropships they cost 700k isk a pop and I just don't have the money to do that. You see my money is earned transporting troops, destroying installations, suppressing infantry, and destroying vehicles. I can't do any of that because a guy got in a mlt dropship and won't stop trying to hit me, so I don't get paid, and I probably loose another two games worth of isk. Thank you for being so considerate and trying to look at the issue from both sides rather than just shouting and carrying on and pointing fingers and calling names. That's what leads to constructive ideas and serious issues being worked out....
Please, don't feign victim now. I'm blunt but I'm not a dickhead.
I've said in so many ways, if people have to put up with you and your ADS ripping people apart as they try to hack objectives, then you shouldn't be mad or want to change something because mercs decide the only way to get rid of the problem is to suicide dropship you. Just as much as people celebrated bomb trucks and used that to creatively take out tanks, then you should be able to deal with suicide dropships. You should be on comms, talking to your squadmates about helping you avoid the situation.
There are ways around it besides hampering somebody's playstyle option while yours continue untouched.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.24 09:57:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:
You seem to think dropships are a much greater threat than they are. You think they're easy mode? Try it.
At least suicide LAVs were born of necessity, a tank can destroy your RDV before your vehicle can drop, it can tank repeated FG hits, swarms, PLC and remotes. A suicide LAV can only approach on one plane of attack.
A suicide DS can attack from multiple planes, is typically moving so fast that by the time it pops up on your Tacnet you can't dodge, and oh yeah takes prolonged effort even with proto mis soles to kill, so even if you spot it in time it can just keep coming and kill you anyway.
It's akin to being infantry and all the other guy has to do to kill your proto suit is touch you with his militia one.
Oh, and by the way, vehicle scanners suck.
I pilot DS. I pilot tanks. What does that even have to do with mercenaries finding means to destroy a threat?
Any threat on the field is a threat on the field. Let's not be coy about the situation. An ADS can disrupt alot that's happening on ground.
But the subject of the matter is not about the lethality of the ADS. It's about an OP who doesn't like being suicide rammed by another DS, which is viable tactical approach to an attacking ADS.
That's the point of this thread. The collision part is just used so that he wouldn't seem like he's whining or to get his point slickly across. That he wants to eliminate the suicidal dropship.
The title alone states that. Let's not sidestep that issue at hand.
The tactic should be accepted. I have laughed in the past when someone suicide my tank. Kamikaze is a part of war and I can appreciate the enemy doing what he can to eliminate the threat.
So basically, he should up his awareness. If its happening to him, then he should take it as a compliment to his piloting skills, laugh it off, get back in the game and be more careful next time.
It's simple. How is that so hard to do? Lick your wounds and get back in the fight. Stop looking to CCP to help you continue your onslaught unaffected. This happens all too often with players. They can get kills all day using a certain means to get that but once the tables turn, boom...its time to open a thread and request game changes. That's just plain terrible.
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