DUST Search - Mac support?

Cyrus Militani wrote:

A PC (personal computer) can refer to any computer, regardless of the operating system. But this is not how people use the term, and unfortunately Apple themselves have perpetuated it with their stupid "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" commercials. So this is why I have to ask because most people mean Windows when they say PC support. And given that I've seen mention of DirectX 11 support, I figured this was the case.

I use Mac professionally as a software engineer. I use Mac because OS X is a UNIX operating system, and it's more compatible with the Linux servers I work with than Windows is. Setting up a development environment in Mac is also less work than it is on Windows, especially with tools like Homebrew.

Another factor is the MacBook is light weight, uses high quality aluminum, and has a much higher resell value. More often then not I can get more than 50-75% back by reselling it on Craigslist, depending on how long I keep it (1-3 years). I'm lucky to get 10% from a non-Mac computer, even if I sold it within a year.

Mac is quite capable of running computer games, especially with the discreet graphics cards. It's true I cannot upgrade as much, especially with the retina display, but I can upgrade every few months if I wanted to, which is far more than you can say for PlayStation or XBOX.

If you guys are serious about having Legion on multiple platforms you're looking in the wrong place. You should be focusing on OpenGL instead of DirectX. Even Valve is focusing on OpenGL. They are even contributing heavily into improving Linux drivers. Focusing on Windows is the worst possible plan. It will be much harder to transition to OpenGL later as an afterthought. You need to be doing it now. If you don't your going to lock yourself into Windows and maybe XBOX.

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Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 82	Posted - 2014.05.23 18:49:00 - [1] - Quote When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point?
Vordred Knight Dark Pheonix Armada 189	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:06:00 - [2] - Quote i would hope as eve online has mac support Markdown:
Kain Spero 3576	Posted - 2014.05.23 19:26:00 - [3] - Quote From what was said at Fanfest there will not be Mac support. You can always try dual booting I guess. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 83	Posted - 2014.05.23 20:10:00 - [4] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: From what was said at Fanfest there will not be Mac support. You can always try dual booting I guess. I hope this isn't the case. Because if you guys are seriously only going to support DirectX 11 you limit your platform choices to Windows and XBOX. This is unfortunate because EVE supports Mac. How are you planning on supporting PS4 in the future? I really feel that Unreal 4 or Source would have been better choices for engines. Both have cross-platform support, and Source at least has anti-cheating for FPS's built in through steam.
lateriss ObscuriLateris 9	Posted - 2014.05.23 23:02:00 - [5] - Quote Project Legion is being developed with the Unreal 4 Engine. So is Valkyrie.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 290	Posted - 2014.05.23 23:08:00 - [6] - Quote I'm a Pc and i'm proud... oh i hate macs Btw, those expensive flipperflapper wingdong fladoodles! And the OS ugh -_- I'm just 150% a mac hater! I like the phones though... Although i do get mad when i see someone with a Iphone and an Ipod(Its the same damn thing! except iphone has phone and ipod doesn't) Rant done
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2406	Posted - 2014.05.23 23:10:00 - [7] - Quote lateriss wrote: Project Legion is being developed with the Unreal 4 Engine. So is Valkyrie. Legion has the dust UR3......... click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8697	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:11:00 - [8] - Quote Eve Online can operate on the Mac, so it stands to reason that there is a very high likelihood that eventually there will be a Mac version sometime down the line. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8697	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:13:00 - [9] - Quote lateriss wrote: Project Legion is being developed with the Unreal 4 Engine. So is Valkyrie. Wrong. Legion is operating in a highly-modified version of UE3 compared to how Dust is with UE3. I think CCP Saberwing was the one who confirmed it on the forums. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2407	Posted - 2014.05.24 01:30:00 - [10] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: lateriss wrote: Project Legion is being developed with the Unreal 4 Engine. So is Valkyrie. Wrong. Legion is operating in a highly-modified version of UE3 compared to how Dust is with UE3. I think CCP Saberwing was the one who confirmed it on the forums. Already stated that............. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8698	Posted - 2014.05.24 02:33:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: lateriss wrote: Project Legion is being developed with the Unreal 4 Engine. So is Valkyrie. Wrong. Legion is operating in a highly-modified version of UE3 compared to how Dust is with UE3. I think CCP Saberwing was the one who confirmed it on the forums. Already stated that............. Damn it, I'm late. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4979	Posted - 2014.05.24 04:03:00 - [12] - Quote Legion and DUST both operate on a highly-modified version of UE3 at the moment. I don't want to rule out Mac support in the future (because I honestly don't know the answer) but the initial plan is PC first. Jenza has expressed her frustration at this numerous times...and I just bought a MacBook pro! Doh CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4254	Posted - 2014.05.24 08:51:00 - [13] - Quote lolmac
Your Absolut End Escrow Removal and Acquisition Negative-Feedback 560	Posted - 2014.05.24 09:01:00 - [14] - Quote lol, yes they are talking about Windows PC because Mac is just an overpriced piece of ** media player for hipsters who wanna listen to **** music or for wannabe designers/artist. Don't buy a Mac and expect to play games on it. Mac is not build for that and the only game Apple plays in general i the rip off game ;)
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3478	Posted - 2014.05.24 12:16:00 - [15] - Quote I used to play on a Gaming PC, but after the graphics card melted and the hard drive bricked within six months, I gave it away and bought a Mac. My Mac worked well enough to run two EVE accounts at the same time in PVP combat. I have had the Mac for a long time now and never had any trouble with it. I had to buy a PS3 to play DUST 514. So I guess I will be buying another Gaming PC to play Legion. I will need something that I can run Legion and EVE on at the same time. I am not a big fan of turning down graphics settings, so I will be paying for more power. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Doctor Day Glitched Connection 266	Posted - 2014.05.24 23:22:00 - [16] - Quote I doubt bigmac will get a taste of the fun
Godin Thekiller shadows of 514 2414	Posted - 2014.05.24 23:48:00 - [17] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: I used to play on a Gaming PC, but after the graphics card melted and the hard drive bricked within six months, I gave it away and bought a Mac. My Mac worked well enough to run two EVE accounts at the same time in PVP combat. I have had the Mac for a long time now and never had any trouble with it. I had to buy a PS3 to play DUST 514. So I guess I will be buying another Gaming PC to play Legion. I will need something that I can run Legion and EVE on at the same time. I am not a big fan of turning down graphics settings, so I will be paying for more power. That must've been a **** GPU, and stop downloading weird **. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8701	Posted - 2014.05.24 23:49:00 - [18] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: I used to play on a Gaming PC, but after the graphics card melted and the hard drive bricked within six months, I gave it away and bought a Mac. My Mac worked well enough to run two EVE accounts at the same time in PVP combat. I have had the Mac for a long time now and never had any trouble with it. I had to buy a PS3 to play DUST 514. So I guess I will be buying another Gaming PC to play Legion. I will need something that I can run Legion and EVE on at the same time. I am not a big fan of turning down graphics settings, so I will be paying for more power. That must've been a **** GPU, and stop downloading weird **. I think he was there when Incarna launched in 2011. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 427	Posted - 2014.05.25 00:25:00 - [19] - Quote Mac support would be very much sppreciated. Windows makes me cringe. I keep a bootcamp version for occasions such as this though.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom 1960	Posted - 2014.05.25 05:32:00 - [20] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.

Haerr Legio DXIV 722	Posted - 2014.05.25 06:59:00 - [21] - Quote Louis Domi wrote: I'm a Pc and i'm proud... oh i hate macs Btw, those expensive flipperflapper wingdong fladoodles! And the OS ugh -_- I'm just 150% a mac hater! I like the phones though... Although i do get mad when i see someone with a Iphone and an Ipod(Its the same damn thing! except iphone has phone and ipod doesn't) Rant done Chill man, choice of operating system is just that, a choice. If you use a program that is only available on BSD / Linux / Mac OS X / Windows X it is even a choice that is made for you. No need to hate on the different implementations. (Do feel free to hate on the persons that chose computer based on how it looks... ) I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4257	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:16:00 - [22] - Quote low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. And Mac users are shunned by PC users. It's a cruel world.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8703	Posted - 2014.05.26 00:22:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. And Mac users are shunned by PC users. It's a cruel world. A Mac is technically a PC. If you know anything about the history of Silicon Valley especially involving Apple and Microsoft, you'd know that Windows is based off of Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0 On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 215	Posted - 2014.05.26 01:38:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. And Mac users are shunned by PC users. It's a cruel world. A Mac is technically a PC. If you know anything about the history of Silicon Valley especially involving Apple and Microsoft, you'd know that Windows is based off of Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0 A mathematician is a computer, but we don't call them computers (at least not nowadays); by the same token, we don't call Macs PCs. Shofixti beats an Ur-Quan Dreadnought and a Kor-Ah Marauder.
low genius the sound of freedom 1962	Posted - 2014.05.26 02:25:00 - [25] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. And Mac users are shunned by PC users. It's a cruel world. A Mac is technically a PC. If you know anything about the history of Silicon Valley especially involving Apple and Microsoft, you'd know that Windows is based off of Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0 i think you're confusing pc as an umbrella term, and pc as a windows operating system. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8706	Posted - 2014.05.26 03:46:00 - [26] - Quote No I'm not confused. A personal computer is a personal computer regardless if it's operated by windows or Mac. It's just like how I see a Logitec headset and a Beats headset. Different labels, same ****. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 216	Posted - 2014.05.26 15:30:00 - [27] - Quote low genius wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. And Mac users are shunned by PC users. It's a cruel world. A Mac is technically a PC. If you know anything about the history of Silicon Valley especially involving Apple and Microsoft, you'd know that Windows is based off of Apple. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njos57IJf-0 i think you're confusing pc as an umbrella term, and pc as a windows operating system. PC as a Windows operating system!? Bu- How... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI Shofixti beats an Ur-Quan Dreadnought and a Kor-Ah Marauder.
Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 94	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:51:00 - [28] - Quote A PC (personal computer) can refer to any computer, regardless of the operating system. But this is not how people use the term, and unfortunately Apple themselves have perpetuated it with their stupid "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" commercials. So this is why I have to ask because most people mean Windows when they say PC support. And given that I've seen mention of DirectX 11 support, I figured this was the case. I use Mac professionally as a software engineer. I use Mac because OS X is a UNIX operating system, and it's more compatible with the Linux servers I work with than Windows is. Setting up a development environment in Mac is also less work than it is on Windows, especially with tools like Homebrew. Another factor is the MacBook is light weight, uses high quality aluminum, and has a much higher resell value. More often then not I can get more than 50-75% back by reselling it on Craigslist, depending on how long I keep it (1-3 years). I'm lucky to get 10% from a non-Mac computer, even if I sold it within a year. Mac is quite capable of running computer games, especially with the discreet graphics cards. It's true I cannot upgrade as much, especially with the retina display, but I can upgrade every few months if I wanted to, which is far more than you can say for PlayStation or XBOX. If you guys are serious about having Legion on multiple platforms you're looking in the wrong place. You should be focusing on OpenGL instead of DirectX. Even Valve is focusing on OpenGL. They are even contributing heavily into improving Linux drivers. Focusing on Windows is the worst possible plan. It will be much harder to transition to OpenGL later as an afterthought. You need to be doing it now. If you don't your going to lock yourself into Windows and maybe XBOX.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 157	Posted - 2014.05.27 16:57:00 - [29] - Quote low genius wrote: Cyrus Militani wrote: When you guys say "PC" do you mean "Windows" or computers in general? Will Mac OS X (OpenGL?) be supported? If not at first, at some point? eve patches are notorious among mac users. You guys didn't have to deal with the "boot.ini" fiasco though... So you've got that going for you Which is nice
lateriss ObscuriLateris 9	Posted - 2014.05.27 19:38:00 - [30] - Quote I thought Eve Legion is being developed on the Unreal Engine 4? I understand the modification due to your database integration with Eve Online. But both engines can compile for Mac as a stand alone client- I would love to see the details on your database integration ---droooollll!

Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 94	Posted - 2014.05.27 20:22:00 - [31] - Quote lateriss wrote: I thought Eve Legion is being developed on the Unreal Engine 4? I understand the modification due to your database integration with Eve Online. But both engines can compile for Mac as a stand alone client- I would love to see the details on your database integration ---droooollll! It's more about the interactions between Dust/Legion and EVE. For example, an EVE player dropping an OB on a planet. The two game servers have to talk to each other and translate effects in both game clients.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1047	Posted - 2014.05.28 06:41:00 - [32] - Quote Cyrus Militani wrote: A PC (personal computer) can refer to any computer, regardless of the operating system. But this is not how people use the term, and unfortunately Apple themselves have perpetuated it with their stupid "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" commercials. So this is why I have to ask because most people mean Windows when they say PC support. And given that I've seen mention of DirectX 11 support, I figured this was the case. I use Mac professionally as a software engineer. I use Mac because OS X is a UNIX operating system, and it's more compatible with the Linux servers I work with than Windows is. Setting up a development environment in Mac is also less work than it is on Windows, especially with tools like Homebrew. Another factor is the MacBook is light weight, uses high quality aluminum, and has a much higher resell value. More often then not I can get more than 50-75% back by reselling it on Craigslist, depending on how long I keep it (1-3 years). I'm lucky to get 10% from a non-Mac computer, even if I sold it within a year. Mac is quite capable of running computer games, especially with the discreet graphics cards. It's true I cannot upgrade as much, especially with the retina display, but I can upgrade every few months if I wanted to, which is far more than you can say for PlayStation or XBOX. If you guys are serious about having Legion on multiple platforms you're looking in the wrong place. You should be focusing on OpenGL instead of DirectX. Even Valve is focusing on OpenGL. They are even contributing heavily into improving Linux drivers. Focusing on Windows is the worst possible plan. It will be much harder to transition to OpenGL later as an afterthought. You need to be doing it now. If you don't your going to lock yourself into Windows and maybe XBOX. Well said, Cyrus. +1 I'm a pretty dedicated Mac user and the vast majority of my gaming is done via PS3 and iPad outside of EVE on my desktop. I am actually pretty much the type of player the pure PC to Legion move hurts the most. Having the ability to access Legion via Mac products would be pretty nice for me personally. That said, I honestly don't know enough about the tech aspects to hazard a guess how difficult it is to develop shared gameplay across PC, MAC, and hopefully a console. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero Skype: jaysyn.larrisen Twitter: @JaysynLarrisen


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