To the devs please hurry and get the new dust up and running so I can play the game I 've always wanted to play.

Lol since when do you vet players like competition? i cant even count the amount of times Ive been on a team full of new players, and we get redlined by a proto squad of players from the Teamplayers corp. Calling in orbitals behind the redline and all.

If anything, there has been more balanced games since alot of these vets who made this game their entire life have left. Instead of it just being squads of PC funded protostompers, now you sometimes get games where its mostly casuals instead of tryhards.

For most of my time in Dust though, this has been the result of most games: [IMG]http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/lavalois09/20149_zps674bb60c.jpg]image

So I kind of hope that alot of these vet players who feel the need to get in squads and proto stomp milita fits decide to not go to legion. Hopefully they take their game breaking ways to another game. All im saying is if they let a playerbase develop, Dust might have been profitable, and the situation today would be different. If these veterans players were an asset instead of a burden, CCP would be trying to keep them instead of opening the door and saying good bye.

Lol since when do you vet players like competition? i cant even count the amount of times Ive been on a team full of new players, and we get redlined by a proto squad of players from the Teamplayers corp. Calling in orbitals behind the redline and all.

If anything, there has been more balanced games since alot of these vets who made this game their entire life have left. Instead of it just being squads of PC funded protostompers, now you sometimes get games where its mostly casuals instead of tryhards.

For most of my time in Dust though, this has been the result of most games: [IMG]http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/lavalois09/20149_zps674bb60c.jpg]image

So I kind of hope that alot of these vet players who feel the need to get in squads and proto stomp milita fits decide to not go to legion. Hopefully they take their game breaking ways to another game. All im saying is if they let a playerbase develop, Dust might have been profitable, and the situation today would be different. If these veterans players were an asset instead of a burden, CCP would be trying to keep them instead of opening the door and saying good bye.

Maybe you don't realize that you are not the target of the higher level players, but the matchmaking system makes you an obstacle.

Next match the dice rolls and maybe they get to square off against an actual team like they intended to fight in the first place.

No, new players and casual players are definitely the targets. The example i gave you, the image, that 6 man corp proto squad could have decided to run more low level stuff. They still would have won. Instead they rolled out 6 tanks and called orbitals in our red line everytime we tried to call something. The OPs crop has done the same, many of these vet crops have done the same.

Losing by a little and losing by alot makes a big difference. Everyone enjoys a close game, even the loser. This game was a complete wipeout from the start. Halfway through most of my team were chilling in the MCC, because their vehicles were destroyed by red line orbitals, or by proto tanks camping our red line. And if they set out on foot the Thales watching our red line got them.

Its one thing to say "well its bad matchmaking i dont mean to win all the time". Its quite another to take advantage of that bad matchmaking and unload everything you got at a bunch of new players just for the sake of stat building or e peen worship.

The irony of the whole situation is that vet players did matches like this for a long time, and now that they broke the game they are the first ones to abandon ship. And they blame everyone but themselves.

WOW! What a scrub!!!!
You want some competition? STOP RUNNING LVL 5 GEAR!
That's all the fk I've been seeing in battle.
I OFTEN use lvl 1 /skills weapons. For just a change of pace.
Create a new merc and start over. You could always lauch a SOLO attack against a PC district. Go get ur azz whooped.
With the new low player count, match making is REALLY fkd!
Same mercs every match.
Counting down the days........

No, new players and casual players are definitely the targets. The example i gave you, the image, that 6 man corp proto squad could have decided to run more low level stuff. They still would have won. Instead they rolled out 6 tanks and called orbitals in our red line everytime we tried to call something. The OPs crop has done the same, many of these vet crops have done the same.

Losing by a little and losing by alot makes a big difference. Everyone enjoys a close game, even the loser. This game was a complete wipeout from the start. Halfway through most of my team were chilling in the MCC, because their vehicles were destroyed by red line orbitals, or by proto tanks camping our red line. And if they set out on foot the Thales watching our red line got them.

Its one thing to say "well its bad matchmaking i dont mean to win all the time". Its quite another to take advantage of that bad matchmaking and unload everything you got at a bunch of new players just for the sake of stat building or e peen worship.

The irony of the whole situation is that vet players did matches like this for a long time, and now that they broke the game they are the first ones to abandon ship. And they blame everyone but themselves.

I think you misunderstand some of the vets in this game, we want competition at our best, it's hardly competetion if you need to handicap yourself or create artificial challenges, to put it into other terms, would you be satisfied winning a race against a grade school kid even though you gave them a head start?

it's just not enjoyable if you need to hold back to make it "fair".

I got to face a well organized squad last night for the first time in a month, they beat my ass red till I got adjusted, was quite enjoyable and reminded why I like dust, those games and those days are rare.

let's call these "new" players what they really are "bad players" because I don't think dust actually has any real new players, by this point I see the same players getting proto stomped and have been getting proto stomped for the last year.

Not everyone progresses on a linear skill path. Some will take longer to get to the same place. You are thinking this game to be more along the lines of a Arena shooter when really its supposed to be a MMOFPS. in a MMO, you are supposed to have people of all varieties of skill and abilities because there are alot of jobs to get done.

These "bad players" might be bad at slaying, but they might have skills in other areas of a MMO, like commerce or politics, that you might be "bad" at. Chasing them away before the game is fully developed is harmful imo.

do you really consider dust to be an mmofps ^^;;

it's not, you know that right?

I think you misunderstand some of the vets in this game, we want competition at our best, it's hardly competetion if you need to handicap yourself or create artificial challenges, to put it into other terms, would you be satisfied winning a race against a grade school kid even though you gave them a head start?

it's just not enjoyable if you need to hold back to make it "fair".

I got to face a well organized squad last night for the first time in a month, they beat my ass red till I got adjusted, was quite enjoyable and reminded why I like dust, those games and those days are rare.

That was the original vision. Is this your first FPS or first FPS that you are good at?

If the goal was to remove the high SP players and any type of competition, then Mission Acomplished!

Started playing BF4 on the side because the good players have all but left dust. I feel like a BA, running around destroying newbs. Thank god BF4 puts me in place or my ego might blow up.

But in comparison, dust really isn't that bad with bugs and gameplay and nonsense BS. Match making is crap on BF4, hit detection is similar, and shotguns are OP as well. Add a few more game modes and dust could be on par(and more AV). Would really love to see dust with a rush mode that covers large sections of a planet that could take hours to complete. A true planetary conquest.

To the devs please hurry and get the new dust up and running so I can play the game I 've always wanted to play.

I think you misunderstand some of the vets in this game, we want competition at our best, it's hardly competetion if you need to handicap yourself or create artificial challenges, to put it into other terms, would you be satisfied winning a race against a grade school kid even though you gave them a head start?

it's just not enjoyable if you need to hold back to make it "fair".

I got to face a well organized squad last night for the first time in a month, they beat my ass red till I got adjusted, was quite enjoyable and reminded why I like dust, those games and those days are rare.

Open beta vet, still here running STARTER/adv fits in pubs even tho I hit proto before Uprising.

How did you hit proto before uprising? They reset us every build. Yeah you could proto in a week in some builds but if your claiming you hit proto two weeks before opening was release then you sir are I liar.

How do you say"the vets plundered the new player base" we all start at zero just like everyone else. And a large population of vets have jobs (yes jobs) and didn't play every hour of the day. It was hard as he'll for me to cap out every week. CCP has giving plenty of opprotunities for new players to get into proto gear. But the devs can't hold your hand while spec'ing. For Christ sake spec one weapon one suit and your cores and with 12+ mil you to can proto stomp.
And before you say "well you made all your isk in PC" bullsh!t. I was always on the boarder line of broke. Untill era started paying large contracts. And I had to earn a spot it wasn't handed to me.
I'm happy for the new players finally getting some work done but **** had you used your heads to begin with you wouldn't be QQ about getting redlined by 1 proto squad.

WOW! What a scrub!!!!
You want some competition? STOP RUNNING LVL 5 GEAR!
That's all the fk I've been seeing in battle.
I OFTEN use lvl 1 /skills weapons. For just a change of pace.
Create a new merc and start over. You could always lauch a SOLO attack against a PC district. Go get ur azz whooped.
With the new low player count, match making is REALLY fkd!
Same mercs every match.
Counting down the days........

How do you say"the vets plundered the new player base" we all start at zero just like everyone else. And a large population of vets have jobs (yes jobs) and didn't play every hour of the day. It was hard as he'll for me to cap out every week. CCP has giving plenty of opprotunities for new players to get into proto gear. But the devs can't hold your hand while spec'ing. For Christ sake spec one weapon one suit and your cores and with 12+ mil you to can proto stomp.
And before you say "well you made all your isk in PC" bullsh!t. I was always on the boarder line of broke. Untill era started paying large contracts. And I had to earn a spot it wasn't handed to me.
I'm happy for the new players finally getting some work done but **** had you used your heads to begin with you wouldn't be QQ about getting redlined by 1 proto squad.

What if I told you, most vets can destroy you with STD gear only?

Lol since when do you vet players like competition? i cant even count the amount of times Ive been on a team full of new players, and we get redlined by a proto squad of players from the Teamplayers corp. Calling in orbitals behind the redline and all.

If anything, there has been more balanced games since alot of these vets who made this game their entire life have left. Instead of it just being squads of PC funded protostompers, now you sometimes get games where its mostly casuals instead of tryhards.

For most of my time in Dust though, this has been the result of most games: [IMG]http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/lavalois09/20149_zps674bb60c.jpg]image

So I kind of hope that alot of these vet players who feel the need to get in squads and proto stomp milita fits decide to not go to legion. Hopefully they take their game breaking ways to another game. All im saying is if they let a playerbase develop, Dust might have been profitable, and the situation today would be different. If these veterans players were an asset instead of a burden, CCP would be trying to keep them instead of opening the door and saying good bye.

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I don't think you understand what the competition is in redlined matches; I know when I'm doing the redlining in a full squad (proto or otherwise) at the end of the match the e-peen wagging isn't about the fact that we beat a team of randoms, but that I got more kills than you doing it.

Competition =/= with the other team.

Why should vets operate with a smaller margin of error?

If I were using a Gallente Frontline suit (my main is Gal Q.Q) I'd stack it with proto modules. I'd still have 7-800 EHP.
Why? Because I've invested the SP. Because I can.

Why would I gimp my fittings so you can feel good about yourself?

Lol since when do you vet players like competition? i cant even count the amount of times Ive been on a team full of new players, and we get redlined by a proto squad of players from the Teamplayers corp. Calling in orbitals behind the redline and all.

If anything, there has been more balanced games since alot of these vets who made this game their entire life have left. Instead of it just being squads of PC funded protostompers, now you sometimes get games where its mostly casuals instead of tryhards.

For most of my time in Dust though, this has been the result of most games: [IMG]http://i945.photobucket.com/albums/ad293/lavalois09/20149_zps674bb60c.jpg]image

So I kind of hope that alot of these vet players who feel the need to get in squads and proto stomp milita fits decide to not go to legion. Hopefully they take their game breaking ways to another game. All im saying is if they let a playerbase develop, Dust might have been profitable, and the situation today would be different. If these veterans players were an asset instead of a burden, CCP would be trying to keep them instead of opening the door and saying good bye.