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Bethhy wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

You need more Graphs and spreadsheets.

Nerfing or buffing something based on your "Feelings" Is about as stupid as these forums get.

There is an entire Judge video explaining with graphs why just blanket nerfing things will never work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4

I might as well work for CCP if I'm going to do all of that , You would like me to do the work for them and not get paid but invest in-game by buying aurum and such .

I understand but I just can not invest the time to do so and if that makes my effort null and void then so be it .

I'm not judge or anyone else , it's just not enough to bring something to light .

That's CCP's job not mines .

You can call that lazy but what is more , is doing nothing and not even looking into it to begin with .

If I'm wrong then I can admit that and wouldn't have any problem doing so but I'm not doing the work for a company that doesn't care enough to look into it , test and see ... also listen to those who they expect to test materials for them as well .

Next I will be expected to get coffee and doughnuts and wake up and fly to Iceland and China in time enough to make sure the coffee I still hot for them in the morning .

There was a time when someone could stand on their word and it meant something , I understand investigation and all but I do believe that's their job .

Thirty percent is just too much .

No offense intended .

Also doing all of that and still not have any change or implementation would be truly worthless .

How many things that people like that have done that was actually implemented into the game ?

No offense intended or taken through this.

I Wish CCP would have the staff on the forums to be like "Hmmm this Shinobi Guy has a point but does it actually work out in math?"

Then spends 30mins to an hour making the spreadsheets and graphs to see if it all works out, to even start to form an opinion on if your idea is valid after actually backing up that the math is there.

In reality and looking at both sides... It doesn't make alot of sense in the reality of the situation.

Where you can just grab the data. Do the math, figure out the spreadsheet.. Spent about as much time as you have on this thread. And had Clear concise evidence to present CCP, that they could then do something with.

If you didnt get a response here? Then you can jump on their IRC and no matter what anyone tells you... Developers Get turned on by good math and sexy spreadsheets... You would probably end up with a conversation on your hands Blink

Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.20 23:28:00 - [1] - Quote About vehicle damage mods , I mean ... thirty percent doesn't sound like a bit too much to you ??? They can be stacked so that's even more when you can three shot someone with a militia rail gun and speaking of rail guns ... why don't you kill some of their damage ? Anytime you can three shot someone with a double damage mod militia rail gun , that sounds a bit OP doesn't it ...???.. or is that your definition of balance or " windows of opportunity " ? Fix the damage out put on the rail guns or do something about the damage mods , unless you just think that their fine or you just don't care . A freaking militia rail gun and tanks for that matter , is zero investment but maximum reward . Is that your definition of balanced ??? Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:32:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: About vehicle damage mods , I mean ... thirty percent doesn't sound like a bit too much to you ??? They can be stacked so that's even more when you can three shot someone with a militia rail gun and speaking of rail guns ... why don't you kill some of their damage ? Anytime you can three shot someone with a double damage mod militia rail gun , that sounds a bit OP doesn't it ...???.. or is that your definition of balance or " windows of opportunity " ? Fix the damage out put on the rail guns or do something about the damage mods , unless you just think that their fine or you just don't care . A freaking militia rail gun and tanks for that matter , is zero investment but maximum reward . Is that your definition of balanced ??? it's the stacking of these that makes it OP. That could be the case and more than likely is true . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:37:00 - [3] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Translation: Rail Tanks keep interrupting me while I'm farming infantry. Nerf Rail Tanks. * eats chips * I own my own proto rail guns , not aurum ... I put SP's into them and I have level four damage mod op so I could stack mods with the best of them if I choose to ... but that will not solve the problem so your statement doesn't hold any weight . I can run stacked damage mods til the game ends but that will prove nothing but what I'm asking for now and that's for something to be done about it and not contributing to the problem . Militia rail guns should not three shot anything and militia tanks so not be so efficient against all other vehicles , even more so when people place actual SP's into that role and you can just start out from scratch with militia . That's the problem along with the high percentages with damage mods . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:50:00 - [4] - Quote Sometimes people just see imbalance and try to do something about it . I own proto turrets with op as well so I don't have to worry about that part of the story . Yes I find it troubling when I invest SP's into anything and someone can just touch base and hit the ground running . That negates my effort and the SP's that I have placed into that role and I'm sure if it was anyone else that had common sense , they would step up and talk about it , now something being done is a different story and is not left up to me but seeing this is troubling . It shows imbalance because these people are getting something for nothing when I'm investing multiple times the effort and SP's into something that someone with ZERO investment can come along and wipe away in an instant . Tactnet is flawed because it doesn't show the vehicle on the mini-map half the time and when it does , it's not highlighted like me or my troops are ... the are not red , it's black and doesn't show up clearly and vehicle to vehicle combat is a whirlwind .. meaning you don't see the vehicle unless it's right up on you and that's sometimes with a scanner . If infantry suits were like militia tanks then no one would be able to talk about proto stomping because it would negate the SP's invested , just like it's doing to vehicles . It should change like infantry like Munch mentioned . Thirty percent is too much . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 00:59:00 - [5] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Translation: Rail Tanks keep interrupting me while I'm farming infantry. Nerf Rail Tanks. * eats chips * I own my own proto rail guns , not aurum ... I put SP's into them and I have level four damage mod op so I could stack mods with the best of them if I choose to ... but that will not solve the problem so your statement doesn't hold any weight . I can run stacked damage mods til the game ends but that will prove nothing but what I'm asking for now and that's for something to be done about it and not contributing to the problem . Militia rail guns should not three shot anything and militia tanks so not be so efficient against all other vehicles , even more so when people place actual SP's into that role and you can just start out from scratch with militia . That's the problem along with the high percentages with damage mods . If people in MLT gear are competing 1v1 with you in your particle cannon tank, you need a new role. Your single damage modded particle cannon has the same as his 2x modded MLT railgun, and you still have two high slots to fill. Should damage mods be nerfed it must be to the same degree; none of this 'nerf rail damage mods twice as hard as blaster mods'. Dunno if you guys have ever been in a match with Duna or milkman? Are you thinking about what your saying before you do so ..???... how many game have you played where there was just one tank on each team ??? I haven't played many like so and most of the time it is my one tank against two or three so you do the math and tell me what the success rate of that would be seeing as many of you like to throw around numbers , it has nothing to do with skill more than it does with a mechanic that somewhat balanced . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:04:00 - [6] - Quote Adults acting like children ... when someone sees a problem , you have to do any and everything to taunt and discourage them but at the same time talk about how overpowering HAV's are against infantry . Thanks for the inspiration because you just cant knock someone who stands on a solid foundation . Keep up the good work because I might just run double and triple damage ( I have the SP's invested to do so ) mods until the game ends so you could mention how OP it is and send me hate mail all the while . I'm just not as cheap as some of you are and I'm not trying to kill the game because it already has an end in sight . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:06:00 - [7] - Quote End is Near wrote: More tank QQ? Just like dust was never canceled........... Use the free lav! Works every time.... How is this QQ ??? I can do it too but I'm not trying to play cheap and skill less . That takes zero skill to do . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:16:00 - [8] - Quote Another thing ... you people that talk about " GOD mode " are idiots . Everything that involves infantry , like vehicles ... can be destroyed so there is no " GOD mode " in this game . Wake up , you play the same game as everyone else .. it's like complaining about proto stomping which most of the time it's established players who run BPO's and cheap gear who complain about players who do such , the same players who use to run double and triple stack infantry damage mods while not using a Forge or a Swarm ... items that should have that type of enhancement . You get out skilled and come on the forums and whine about it , where as players who talk about imbalance issues get jeered like there you but they are not you because they talk about real issues and problems but since people like yourselves attempt to trivialize every issue you try to equate the two . People can see right threw that and you . Keep up the good work . Makes me want to work harder to ruin your gamming experience but like I said , I'm just not cheap like that and I won't allow myself to come down to your level . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:28:00 - [9] - Quote Bethhy wrote: You need more Graphs and spreadsheets. Nerfing or buffing something based on your "Feelings" Is about as stupid as these forums get. There is an entire Judge video explaining with graphs why just blanket nerfing things will never work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4 I might as well work for CCP if I'm going to do all of that , You would like me to do the work for them and not get paid but invest in-game by buying aurum and such . I understand but I just can not invest the time to do so and if that makes my effort null and void then so be it . I'm not judge or anyone else , it's just not enough to bring something to light . That's CCP's job not mines . You can call that lazy but what is more , is doing nothing and not even looking into it to begin with . If I'm wrong then I can admit that and wouldn't have any problem doing so but I'm not doing the work for a company that doesn't care enough to look into it , test and see ... also listen to those who the expect to test materials for them as well . Next I will be expected to get coffee and doughnuts and wake up and fly to Iceland and China in time enough to make sure the coffee I still hot for them in the morning . There was a time when someone could stand on their word and it meant something , I understand investigation and all but I do believe that's their job . Thirty percent is just too much . No offense intended . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:42:00 - [10] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Yeah damage mods are a little lol after the hardener nerf. I, personally, think it should be more like this: Magnetic Rail Amplifier 10% Damage to Railgun - low slot - passive Ballistics Control Module 10% damage to missiles - low slot - passive Hybrid-Plasma Heat Sink 10% increased RoF and decreased heat build up for blasters - high slot - passive. then lower blaster rof by about 40% and rebalance damage to maintain dps as well as add significant dispersion. This is interesting like what was mentioned before you but this is more like 1.6 was and that's more along the lines of how it should be . I really miss the mechanic's of 1.6 besides the fact of the imbalance between anti-vehicle and vehicles . The mods and skill tree were perfect . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 770	Posted - 2014.05.21 01:43:00 - [11] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Bethhy wrote: You need more Graphs and spreadsheets. Nerfing or buffing something based on your "Feelings" Is about as stupid as these forums get. There is an entire Judge video explaining with graphs why just blanket nerfing things will never work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lBjUlQNYR4 I might as well work for CCP if I'm going to do all of that , You would like me to do the work for them and not get paid but invest in-game by buying aurum and such . I understand but I just can not invest the time to do so and if that makes my effort null and void then so be it . I'm not judge or anyone else , it's just not enough to bring something to light . That's CCP's job not mines . You can call that lazy but what is more , is doing nothing and not even looking into it to begin with . If I'm wrong then I can admit that and wouldn't have any problem doing so but I'm not doing the work for a company that doesn't care enough to look into it , test and see ... also listen to those who they expect to test materials for them as well . Next I will be expected to get coffee and doughnuts and wake up and fly to Iceland and China in time enough to make sure the coffee I still hot for them in the morning . There was a time when someone could stand on their word and it meant something , I understand investigation and all but I do believe that's their job . Thirty percent is just too much . No offense intended . Also doing all of that and still not have any change or implementation would be truly worthless . How many things that people like that have done that was actually implemented into the game ? No offense intended or taken through this. I Wish CCP would have the staff on the forums to be like "Hmmm this Shinobi Guy has a point but does it actually work out in math?" Then spends 30mins to an hour making the spreadsheets and graphs to see if it all works out, to even start to form an opinion on if your idea is valid after actually backing up that the math is there. In reality and looking at both sides... It doesn't make alot of sense in the reality of the situation. Where you can just grab the data. Do the math, figure out the spreadsheet.. Spent about as much time as you have on this thread. And had Clear concise evidence to present CCP, that they could then do something with. If you didnt get a response here? Then you can jump on their IRC and no matter what anyone tells you... Developers Get turned on by good math and sexy spreadsheets... You would probably end up with a conversation on your hands Sounds reasonable and I understand . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 774	Posted - 2014.05.21 07:25:00 - [12] - Quote So now there are more people assuming why this is being mentioned . Sad to say that your all wrong . I don't just blaster tank , I can kill infantry with a rail just like I could with a blaster ... in fact I like using rails on infantry more because it's just one shot and with a blaster it takes multiple . You people are not observant either , it's easier to kill someone with a CR then it is with a blaster turret . But I digress and I will begin to run double and triple damage mods as well and just use rails too and when I go 30 and 0 constantly I just do not want to see this brought up again . Trying to fair and balanced in this world will get most nowhere because there always those who believe that there is another motive behind an effort . I am an adult and don't have to hide my intentions , either you agree or don't ... that's life but to assume and come to a conclusion even with banter going back and forth shows that those who do so can't be too observant as well , so oh well ... I tried but again I digress . They don't have to look at anything ... doesn't matter to me anymore . I don't need tanks to kill infantry , I use forges , HMG's , AR's , Sniper Rifles and anything else that comes to mind and that's where I'm so different then what those who choose to assume to think whatever they choose . I'm a team player first and foremost . I succeed at whatever I do , so believe what you like and say what you will but I will continue to always shine . I take back what I said as well , I won't play cheaply because I believe it's a problem and I just choose not to add to the cancer but continue to attempt at bringing issues to light . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .