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Ecshon Autorez wrote:

I don't have any heavy suits (except my templar) but if I skilled into a Commando, I'm pretty sure it'd be the Minmatar. (read the TL;DR parts too, they haz lists)

I don't know if you guys have made any changes since release, but I used this for the values.

Why

Because the Minmatar Commando has the fastest movements speed (and stamina recharge rate), that means that assaults who just want a bit more base tank will take it instead of the other Commandos. It's also the most versatile since it has an equal number of High and Low slots, meaning it can be customized to fit a number of roles that would normally need you to skill into a second Commando suit.

It has the second highest base shield recharge rate, meaning that they can get out of the battle faster because of the movement speed, and be back in faster than others because of the recharge rate. The racial bonus it gets helps it be even more versatile as well, by giving it a bonus to both projectile and explosive weapons, it can be used as anti infantry or anti-vehicle.

TL;DR

Assaults who want more base tank/2nd Light weapon use Minmatar Commando because it's base speed has the smallest change between Assault Mediums and the Commando Heavies.
Fastest Commando
2nd highest stamina
Fastest stamina recharge rate (25 stam/s more than Gallente and Caldari Commandos, 20 stam/s more than Amarr)
2nd fastest shield recharge rate
Shield recharge delay is equal to Caldari Commando (tied for 1st)
Equal High and Low slots means more versatile customization
Bonus to projectile and explosive weapons means it gets bonus to anti-infantry and anti-vehicle weapons

Balancing

As for balancing, of the top of my head I think to lower the difference between their stamina recharge rates, maybe keep Minmatar the same but buff all the others by 5 stam/s. So Min = 40 stam/s, Cal = 20 stam/s, Gal = 20 stam/s, Amarr = 25 stam/s

Messing with the Shield Recharge Delay and Depleted Shield Recharge Delay might also help bring them into balance.

Making a change to the racial bonus might also affect it, but be careful, I know I'd get upset if my Mass Driver Commando (I'm being hypothetical, I'm not skilled into any Heavies) broke when the Devs tried to do something about dual purpose Minmatar Anti-Vehicle / Anti-Infantry fittings. Perhaps if the bonus only worked if it was the right weapon type AND the same race as the suit (that'd stop Swarms but not Mass Drivers)? I dunno, I'm just throwing it out there.

TL;DR

Buff all other Commandos Stamina recharge rates by 5, or lower Minmatar Stamina recharge rate by 5
Mess around with the Shield Recharge Delay and Depleted Shield Recharge Delays for all Commandos
Change Racial bonus to only work with correct weapon types and also only if it's the same race as the suit.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10819	Posted - 2014.05.18 02:08:00 - [1] - Quote Ecshon Autorez wrote: I don't have any heavy suits (except my templar) but if I skilled into a Commando, I'm pretty sure it'd be the Minmatar. (read the TL;DR parts too, they haz lists) I don't know if you guys have made any changes since release, but I used this for the values. Why Because the Minmatar Commando has the fastest movements speed (and stamina recharge rate), that means that assaults who just want a bit more base tank will take it instead of the other Commandos. It's also the most versatile since it has an equal number of High and Low slots, meaning it can be customized to fit a number of roles that would normally need you to skill into a second Commando suit. It has the second highest base shield recharge rate, meaning that they can get out of the battle faster because of the movement speed, and be back in faster than others because of the recharge rate. The racial bonus it gets helps it be even more versatile as well, by giving it a bonus to both projectile and explosive weapons, it can be used as anti infantry or anti-vehicle. TL;DR Assaults who want more base tank/2nd Light weapon use Minmatar Commando because it's base speed has the smallest change between Assault Mediums and the Commando Heavies. Fastest Commando 2nd highest stamina Fastest stamina recharge rate (25 stam/s more than Gallente and Caldari Commandos, 20 stam/s more than Amarr) 2nd fastest shield recharge rate Shield recharge delay is equal to Caldari Commando (tied for 1st) Equal High and Low slots means more versatile customization Bonus to projectile and explosive weapons means it gets bonus to anti-infantry and anti-vehicle weapons Balancing As for balancing, of the top of my head I think to lower the difference between their stamina recharge rates, maybe keep Minmatar the same but buff all the others by 5 stam/s. So Min = 40 stam/s, Cal = 20 stam/s, Gal = 20 stam/s, Amarr = 25 stam/s Messing with the Shield Recharge Delay and Depleted Shield Recharge Delay might also help bring them into balance. Making a change to the racial bonus might also affect it, but be careful, I know I'd get upset if my Mass Driver Commando (I'm being hypothetical, I'm not skilled into any Heavies) broke when the Devs tried to do something about dual purpose Minmatar Anti-Vehicle / Anti-Infantry fittings. Perhaps if the bonus only worked if it was the right weapon type AND the same race as the suit (that'd stop Swarms but not Mass Drivers)? I dunno, I'm just throwing it out there. TL;DR Buff all other Commandos Stamina recharge rates by 5, or lower Minmatar Stamina recharge rate by 5 Mess around with the Shield Recharge Delay and Depleted Shield Recharge Delays for all Commandos Change Racial bonus to only work with correct weapon types and also only if it's the same race as the suit. Most speed, 2nd most stamina, most stamina recharge, and 2nd fastest shield recharge are attributes that completely make sense for the Minmatar; speed, stamina, and stamina recharge rate stats are basically the Minmatar's intended strengths which they trade HP for, and as the 2nd best shield-tanking race it only makes sense to have the second best shield recharge rate. I don't think those are problems. These things, including the equal high and low slots are also the case for the Minmatar scout I believe, but it doesn't make the Minmatar scout OP by comparison to other scouts. The Caldari commando however does indeed need to have shorter regular and depleted shield recharge delay than the Minmatar; Caldari are meant to be the best shield tankers. A large part of the reason why so many use the Minmatar commando is because of the combat rifle being being overpowered, not the suit itself. In addtion to the combat rifle's extreme damage per second, projectiles have very unbalanced damage profile. Most weapon types have their shield/armor penalties/advantages add up to 0 (like laser has +20% to shields, -20% to armor, adds up to 0), projectiles have a profile with a net 5% gain. The key to commando balance is rifle balance. I do agree that as a Caldari weapon, the swarm launcher should no receive a bonus from the Minmatar commando, but instead should get a bonus to the Caldari commando. Reclassify the swarm launcher damage profile from "explosive" to "missile", and give Caldari commando a bonus to "missile" weapon damage in addition to hybrid-railgun. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+