DUST Search - Recognition of DUST vets in Legion

Cross Atu wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

BPOGÇÖs:
Suits: At the very least we should get suits of the appropriate class with the same look as the original. (Skins) Provided that the suit exists in Legion. (I think the Commando is going to be added, but it might have a different role in Legion.)

Other BPOGÇÖs: If they donGÇÖt have BPOGÇÖs in Legion, or BPOGÇÖs function very differently I hope people will be accommodating. I donGÇÖt get the GÇ£you have to introduce a broken mechanic into the game because I paid for something 2 years agoGÇ¥ mentality. The Devs should do what is best for the game first, and then try to accommodate the people who were effected by the change second.

Suits should be a non-issue based on CCP Zs presentation at FanFest, thought I would say that the BPO suits which have zero skill requirements could be altered to contain the proper requirements without any ill effects.

Other BPO's: To be blunt, it's not a broken mechanic but it would be a broken promise/trust on the part of CCP.
Unless we assume there will be no starter fits, which I do not see how we can assume such based on the history of both Dust and EVE, as well as the fundamental drawbacks of their absence (i.e. players can be bankrupted completely out of the game), then the mechanical advantage of a Dust style BPO militia mod is exceedingly minimal.
Also the statement that maintenance of BPOs is about a 2 year hold purchase alone is tangibly inaccurate.
EVE: The Second Decade Collectors Edition is on sale right now in the EVE Store (as of the time of this post). Further even within EVE:O where asset change is much more reasonable, as you are paying a subscription for world access not a specific fee for a specific item, T2 BPOs still exist - and those items have vastly more impact on economics and New Eden at large than a MLT CPU upgrade for example. The precedent is set by CCP and adhered to even currently within EVE:O, revoking it in this specific sub-case violates persistence and player trust.
I believe in this case that supporting the community trumps eradicating a mild ISK advantage, both within light of New Eden precedent via EVE:O and to maintain persistence between Dust 514 and Project Legion. Without sound/renewed player trust the F2P micro-transaction method will be in a bad spot.

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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3369	Posted - 2014.05.16 19:27:00 - [1] - Quote I think DUST characters migrated to Legion should retain their original creation dates. - Closed Beta vets all have the same birth date. They day DUST 514 was transferred to tranquillity. - You can also identify from the date if someone was from Open Beta, or at least from DUST before the Legion announcement, or at least before Legion Beta. These creation dates will be a point of pride, especially if Legion is successful. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3388	Posted - 2014.05.18 00:12:00 - [2] - Quote I like AtiimGÇÖs idea of having a colored tag that says DUST on our avatar on the forums. Just like the tag the DevGÇÖs have, except maybe make it green and replace GÇ£DEVGÇ¥ with GÇ£514GÇ¥. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3419	Posted - 2014.05.20 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Stuff Skill Points: As long as they continue to have passive skill point gain over time, there is a way to transfer skill points fairly even if they dramatically change the value of a skill point. It is called GÇ£Equivalent Passive TimeGÇ¥. Basically GÇ£Equivalent Passive TimeGÇ¥ means calculating the time it would have taken you to earn your current total skill points in DUST 514 if your account had not been played. So, if you played your account, or used boosters, or both, your Equivalent Passive Time would be quite a bit longer than the actual age of your account. The difference between the age of your account, and your Equivalent Passive Time, represents the additional impact of skill points earned in matches and from boosters. Then you take your Equivalent Passive Time from DUST 514, and multiply it by the passive skill point accrual rate in Legion, and it will give you a quantity of skill points that is equivalent in value to the skill points you have in DUST 514. BPOGÇÖs: Suits: At the very least we should get suits of the appropriate class with the same look as the original. (Skins) Provided that the suit exists in Legion. (I think the Commando is going to be added, but it might have a different role in Legion.) Other BPOGÇÖs: If they donGÇÖt have BPOGÇÖs in Legion, or BPOGÇÖs function very differently I hope people will be accommodating. I donGÇÖt get the GÇ£you have to introduce a broken mechanic into the game because I paid for something 2 years agoGÇ¥ mentality. The Devs should do what is best for the game first, and then try to accommodate the people who were effected by the change second. ISK: Totally agree. ISK should be transferred 1:1. If there is inflation, I am fine with that. Gear: All gear that exists in Legion should be transferred. Gear that does not exist in Legion should be converted to ISK at DUST 514 value and transfer as ISK. (There is gear that you canGÇÖt get in DUST anymore, that some people still have in their inventories.) Character stats: I sort of think it might be better not to transfer stats. My main reason for this is that I want them to change the definition of a kill/death to correspond to the loss of a clone, so if you get revived it does not count as a death for you or a kill for the guy that dropped you. If this change is implemented it will make DUST Kill/Death stats invalid. Maybe the DUST states could be saved on a separate archival record, rather than trying to integrate the old stats with the new Legion stats. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3430	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:26:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Talos Alomar wrote: Dust vets should get BPO suits that use prototype colors. We were the prototypes, after all. That shouldn't be too hard to balance in as all suits are going to be BPOs anyway. proto colors would just be cosmetic. Weapons would be harder to balance into the player market as BPOs. But they are worth taking a look into as I'm sure everyone here wants a weapon that they could use to proudly display on the killboard that "I was here first". If militia weapons are going to have both drawbacks of lower mag cap and higher fitting costs, I'd say BPO 'Prototype" weaponry should have standard mag caps, but with militia fitting costs. That would make STD (or equivalent meta level, however that's going to work) weaponry better while letting vain a-holes like me get their kicks from showing up on the killfeed with a rare weapon. I have a fix for that: BPO are for........................ manufacturing! I know, amazing, right? I would love to be able to make weapons using a BPO + Scavenged parts. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3430	Posted - 2014.05.21 14:30:00 - [5] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Also, this would be nice, an invite to Legion Beta/Alpha BEFORE the Eve people get in. It's our beta testing we did these past years. I think this would definitely be the right move, both from a public relations standpoint, and because we are the most qualified to test the new game. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3450	Posted - 2014.05.22 18:03:00 - [6] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: BPOGÇÖs: Suits: At the very least we should get suits of the appropriate class with the same look as the original. (Skins) Provided that the suit exists in Legion. (I think the Commando is going to be added, but it might have a different role in Legion.) Other BPOGÇÖs: If they donGÇÖt have BPOGÇÖs in Legion, or BPOGÇÖs function very differently I hope people will be accommodating. I donGÇÖt get the GÇ£you have to introduce a broken mechanic into the game because I paid for something 2 years agoGÇ¥ mentality. The Devs should do what is best for the game first, and then try to accommodate the people who were effected by the change second. Suits should be a non-issue based on CCP Zs presentation at FanFest, thought I would say that the BPO suits which have zero skill requirements could be altered to contain the proper requirements without any ill effects. Other BPO's: To be blunt, it's not a broken mechanic but it would be a broken promise/trust on the part of CCP. Unless we assume there will be no starter fits, which I do not see how we can assume such based on the history of both Dust and EVE, as well as the fundamental drawbacks of their absence (i.e. players can be bankrupted completely out of the game), then the mechanical advantage of a Dust style BPO militia mod is exceedingly minimal. Also the statement that maintenance of BPOs is about a 2 year hold purchase alone is tangibly inaccurate. EVE: The Second Decade Collectors Edition is on sale right now in the EVE Store (as of the time of this post). Further even within EVE:O where asset change is much more reasonable, as you are paying a subscription for world access not a specific fee for a specific item, T2 BPOs still exist - and those items have vastly more impact on economics and New Eden at large than a MLT CPU upgrade for example. The precedent is set by CCP and adhered to even currently within EVE:O, revoking it in this specific sub-case violates persistence and player trust. I believe in this case that supporting the community trumps eradicating a mild ISK advantage, both within light of New Eden precedent via EVE:O and to maintain persistence between Dust 514 and Project Legion. Without sound/renewed player trust the F2P micro-transaction method will be in a bad spot. By broken mechanic I was referring to the uproar over CCP removing BPOGÇÖs for stuff that was no longer in the game. If CCP feels that a module or other item does not work the way it was intended, they should have the right to remove that item from the game to make the game better. I donGÇÖt agree with CCP being restricted in what they can remove from the game just because there was a BPO for that item. When CCP removed items from DUST and some players had BPOGÇÖs for those items, they were given the AUR value of the BPO back. I thought that was fair. But a lot of people freaked out over it. Maybe they should have just been allowed to keep the BPOGÇÖs that could not be fitted to a suit or serve any other useful purpose, because they seemed quite attached to them. Maybe if there was a player market those things might have some value to collectors. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3473	Posted - 2014.05.23 22:27:00 - [7] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I think another good way to pay homage to Dust 514 players would be to have the term "Dusters" canonized in the New Eden lore. Having the term used in a piece of fiction would go a long way to immortalizing Dust players and the trail they blazed for Project Legion. You mean like this? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3495	Posted - 2014.05.27 12:08:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Cross Atu wrote: What about standings with the NPC empires, how will transfer of these be handled? I'm guessing it will depend on how different Factional Warfare will be. It might be possible to transfer your standings over to Legion, but I doubt your LP will be coming with it. Welp my 70,000 Amarr LP weep at those words. There are LP in both DUST and EVE. There will likely be LP in Legion. I donGÇÖt see any reason why it would not be transferred. As with SP, the LP may have to be run through a formula to make a proportional conversion, if the value of LP is different in Legion, but it should transfer and be worth around the same amount. As fare as the conversion formula I would be inclined to use the cost of a racial Infantry Rifle as the constant in the conversion formula. Calculate how many Assault Rifles you can purchase with your Gallente LP, then calculate how much LP it would take to get the same number of Plasma Rifles in Legion. Then give you that amount of LP. Same for your Amarr LP using Scrambler Rifles. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3556	Posted - 2014.06.01 00:26:00 - [9] - Quote I think Rare are Officer grade weapons actually. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.