We are mercenaries. We are hired by people to fight on their behalf and take land in their behalf; there has to be rules and mechanisms to decide when the job is done so we can get paid, or who wins the battle, those rule constitute a game mode.

Game modes and open world are not mutually exclusive; Planetside 2 for example has a specific mechanism of how one side takes a piece of territory within that open world, i cold those rules and mechanisms as constituting a game mode. You can have different rules which constitute a game mode for different areas within a single open world, so an open world game can still have multiple game modes.

The "battles won they are decidedly won" philosophy can apply for faction warfare and planetary conquest, but I don't see why it would have to apply to every single thing.

Our definitions of game mode aside. I said before, and I will say it again, planetary conquest and faction warfare can be completely open world, but I don't see the point in every single thing being open world.

Also I hate the idea of time limits, battles should end when one side logically can no longer fight on. Example; one side runs out of clones, and they can no longer spawn.

I was talking about the timers to end the battle, NOT the "when you can attack" timers. In an open world mode, battle should end when one team can no longer spawn, or they retreat because they ran out of resources, or retreat because they just know its hopeless. Timers to decide when the battle ends defeats the whole point of an open world mode.

Theoretically, but only if both sides have an innnnssaaaaaaaannneeeee amount of clones. At one point I assume one team will be dominating so much that the enemy will retreat because they know its pointless.

I could back the existence of "game modes" if they were restricted to Arena style battles on Arena style maps.

Add betting and spectator mode and I'd even +1 the idea.

Do you people want or expect the vast majority of the battles to be exactly?

Ignore everyone else.

The only game mode in Legion that is going to be as much of a sandbox as all of these dreamers want will be PC. The MAJORITY of players will not be playing PC, they will instead be either fighting drones, or participating in FW.

Drone matches WILL have different types of game modes absolutely. For example, imagine something like players boarding ships to go hunt drones on a certain area of the planet. You would be hired by a NPC, and they would pay you based on the work done. That area will need to cleared out and the drones might only be located inside of a structure or base (or possibly multiple small bases). After all of the drones are destroyed, you get rewards and are returned back to the hangar to be hired on for another mission.

But we can mix it up and have objectives that spawn drones...so you have to hack the objective to turn off the spawning mechanism. Maybe you have a limited amount of clones and the drones can turn the spawners back on. Maybe there will be defences/barriers you have to destroy as you breach the walls of a structure or city.
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And then with FW, you'll essentially be hired on as a merc to fight for one side or the other. Say Gallente places an attack on Caldari and they need X amount of mercs before they can attack. Caldari finds out they are being attacked and needs to hire mercs to defend. Bam, you have a battle.

Here comes the sandbox part. As Caldari, you already have a base captured and you spawn in waiting for the Gallente to show up. As Gallente, you're being dropped in by the Mobile MCC outside of the base, trying to push into the city to take control. Each side has only spent a certain amount of resources, so once one side runs out, the other is victorious.

Either way, these battles can have objectives, or breach mechanics, or just be about who can clone the other team out. These types of game modes should be interesting, and I agree that there should just be more than your standard TDM.

You could go crazy with these ideas, like maybe Gallente spies placed a bomb inside the caldari base and you have to figure out where it's located before time runs out. Maybe there's a fight going on in space and you have to charge a cannon for 10 minutes while another team tries to stop you.

Just because it's a sandbox, doesn't mean we can't have interesting reasons for why we're fighting. Because if we didn't, Legion would become Planetside 2...and trust me, PS2 doesn't make you feel like you're fighting for anything.

That doesn't even make sense, Dust's problems don't primarily stem from ignoring certain people; especially when certain people are pretty stupid.

If you want the vast majority of the game to be open world, then it will just be Planetside 2, it would hurt the game in many ways. You can just go play Planetside 2 if this is what you want.

If anything, you guys need to learn how to -snip- quotes.

Don't quote my WHOLE post just to say two lines.

I hate it when people claim to represent the majority of the community, especially when in this particular case only a handful of people are weighing in.

Well that's just because I am always right. Its just a simple matter of fact, the sooner you can accept it, the sooner you can find peace.

I only took a bit of spice today (AKA "melange"), my people get it from planet Arakis (AKA "Dune"). You're just hatin because I have ridden the sandworm. I am the god-king emperor.

Seriously though, DUST Fiend is right. I actually laughed when you commented and thought I was actually serious. I would like some examples of my plagiarism; should be entertaining.

I have seen YOU do that.

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You presume to speak for EVERYONE, EVEN CCP; which is false representation.

Would you guys really want to spends hours roaming low sec and murdering people playing solo? Is that really all that people want out of Legion?

Go to any other site but this one and the eve forums and EVE Online is well known as one of the most boring MMOs out right now. Action is sooooooo freaking slow to come to the game at any one point in time.

Doing away with the contract system would be a horrible move (something CCP Shanghai is not averse to though I know that). Legion is in a great spot to provide 'quick action' where you can log in and get right into the game play. Valkyrie will be in a similar position too.

If you guys love the open world roaming aspect of eve so much, why do you play Dust at all? Why aren't you playing EVE?

Having open world game play will be huge for Legion, it is an absolute necessity imo. Having sandbox elements akin to sovereignty will also be an absolute necessity. While the contract system wouldn't be required, it will make Legion much more successful in general in bringing in new players and retaining people who just want to log in for a bit and play a couple matches.

I seriously can't believe you guys want the only form of action to be constantly going from planet to planet in low sec searching for a battle, which... just like eve, will rarely ever be a 'good fight'.

I enjoy eve for what it is, but when it takes hours to do anything in that game... it pretty much becomes the game you play when you're playing other games. I sincerely hope Legion doesn't end up that way.