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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:16:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote: The alligator clip on the end is meant to clip on to some type of grounded metal (such as galvanized steel conduit), and you can remove it to stick the plug into the ground plug hole on your wall outlet. Disregard the Voltage markings on the drawing (they are not quite accurate anyway).
This is very dangerous, you should never plug anything into a wall that isn't intended to plugged into the wall. Stray and unbalanced currents and voltages use the grounding to balance load and can be energized. All that is needed is equalizing your potential to the part by touching the part ground or by touching something that has been properly grounded, like an appliance with bare metal that is accessible. Grounding is important but shouldn't be treated as if there is no potential on the conductor, if the grounding conductor is energize it can hurt you or your stuff. I have personally tested grounding conductors with 60-70 volts on them in peoples homes. NEVER plug things into a wall outlets that weren't designed to be plugged in or UL tested.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
486
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Posted - 2014.05.16 13:56:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Mary Lilac wrote: The alligator clip on the end is meant to clip on to some type of grounded metal (such as galvanized steel conduit), and you can remove it to stick the plug into the ground plug hole on your wall outlet. Disregard the Voltage markings on the drawing (they are not quite accurate anyway). This is very dangerous, you should never plug anything into a wall that isn't intended to plugged into the wall. Stray and unbalanced currents and voltages use the grounding to balance load and can be energized. All that is needed is equalizing your potential to the part by touching the part ground or by touching something that has been properly grounded, like an appliance with bare metal that is accessible. Grounding is important but shouldn't be treated as if there is no potential on the conductor, if the grounding conductor is energize it can hurt you or your stuff. I have personally tested grounding conductors with 60-70 volts on them in peoples homes. NEVER plug things into a wall outlets that weren't designed to be plugged in or UL tested.
If your house was built to code, you should be 100% safe in doing this... that is the point of that plug. That plug is connected directly to the ground (i.e. the galvanized steel conduit which is required to be true-earth ground). If this were not 100% safe, it would be a horrible idea to even touch the outside of your computer case... or any case that is metal, in any electronic component that has that third plug.
Seriously, if you have ever been in a house that had 60-70 volts on that grounding hole I hope you called the City, because it would not be long before that house will burn down. This is not up to code, and you run SERIOUS risk plugging anything into any outlet in a situation like that.
Point in fact, when you use the alligator clip to chassis method, you are supposed to plug your case into the wall (while leaving the switch off). This is effectively grounding the entire chassis and your wrist strap to that third plug in your electrical outlet.
The only time I would be concerned is if your house is much older construction (world war 2 era) and you had some 220 V outlets in your house. US electical codes were a little bit more forgiving then, and it is possible that the ground plug was used a neutral while the other two plugs were out of phase 110V lines.
Of course, if that is the case start suing everyone and anyone that was involved with your house sale.
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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m twiggz
Pradox One Proficiency V.
608
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Posted - 2014.05.16 14:21:00 -
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Texas Killionaire wrote:Any tips would be greatly appreciated. I'm gonna drop about 1,100 on parts. If you're building a gaming PC for Legion, wait. PC parts are much like cars, as soon as you buy it it loses value and something better is already on the market. Parts you buy today could be completely outdated within 6 months. Granted it'll still run whatever you want 6 months from now, but a better piece of equipment will be released for the same price you bought the first piece for.
If it's just for general gaming until Legion comes out, go for it. I'm sure whatever you build now will run Legion years from now if/when it gets released. With $1,100 to spend you can have all top of the line items inside. I'll post actual equipment and such when I have access to a PC if so needed. But don't forget, monitors are quite pricy, especially ones suited for gaming. I wouldn't recommend porting your computer to a TV for FPS gaming on either, monitors have much better graphic display than any TV.
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waistr
DEAD-MEN-WALKING
185
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:04:00 -
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Im a big fan of Newegg look for sales, they also have good deals on do it yourself packages I built mine for less than $600 canadian never played a game that I cant run at full throttle i5 is plenty good, i7 if you are running a server or just want to be a show off. See if you can scavange parts from friends or family eg a decient power supply or a case, spend as little as you can on DVD drive they are going the way of the floppy disk, next rig I make wont have one. A gaming monitor makes a big difference. Graphic card, I went mid range and dont regret it, but thats up to you and your budget. |
Brute Scalia
Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:23:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:
I can not tell you how many idiots put computers together without ESD straps. Yes, idiots. You can easily discharge a VERY strong voltage into so many places without even knowing it. The fact that the discharge doesn't immediately kill the component doesn't mean that there wasn't significant damage done, and the overall life of that component may have suffered for it. All over $5.
This is some of the best advice on here. Static discharge will ruin your computer and you won't even notice. It takes upwards of 2000 volts just to feel the discharge and around 3000 just to see it and 50 volts can seriously damage components.
TBH, I've been building computers pretty much my entire life, and I"ve never had a component fail due to 'improper static grounding'. I'm not overly worried about it, you can be too paranoid about this. Just don't wear fuzzy socks and rub your feet all over the ground before manhandling your processor, and you'll be just fine. Also, don't wear cotton under wool. Take off that hoddie you've been wearing for the last week, touch something metal, and get to work. Always use two hands when installing components, preferably touching the case, or something metal other than the computer.
My suggestion is to make some decisions NOW on what you want before you start taking advice.
Do you want a big screen? Because if you do, you'll need to compromise hardware to stay in budget. Do you want it to be portable? Because you can buy GREAT gaming laptops for $1000 that will play AAA+ shooters on high graphics with minimal lag. Are you also going to use this as a media PC, or is it exclusively for gaming?
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Bad Cheetah
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
15
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:30:00 -
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Texas, I told you to just hit me up when you have everything together. 1100 is steep, can get away with 600-700 easily, not including monitor. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance
2506
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:32:00 -
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my tip is wait till the month before legion released if that is why you are getting one, pc's obsolete within months.
if you made a gaming pc now it would already be obsolete by the time legion comes out.
a 1100 dollar custom built computer now will be found at wal-mart in a year for 600 dollars. |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2551
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:36:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Mary Lilac wrote: The alligator clip on the end is meant to clip on to some type of grounded metal (such as galvanized steel conduit), and you can remove it to stick the plug into the ground plug hole on your wall outlet. Disregard the Voltage markings on the drawing (they are not quite accurate anyway). This is very dangerous, you should never plug anything into a wall that isn't intended to plugged into the wall. Stray and unbalanced currents and voltages use the grounding to balance load and can be energized. All that is needed is equalizing your potential to the part by touching the part ground or by touching something that has been properly grounded, like an appliance with bare metal that is accessible. Grounding is important but shouldn't be treated as if there is no potential on the conductor, if the grounding conductor is energize it can hurt you or your stuff. I have personally tested grounding conductors with 60-70 volts on them in peoples homes. NEVER plug things into a wall outlets that weren't designed to be plugged in or UL tested. If your house was built to code, you should be 100% safe in doing this... that is the point of that plug. That plug is connected directly to the ground (i.e. the galvanized steel conduit which is required to be true-earth ground). If this were not 100% safe, it would be a horrible idea to even touch the outside of your computer case... or any case that is metal, in any electronic component that has that third plug. Seriously, if you have ever been in a house that had 60-70 volts on that grounding hole I hope you called the City, because it would not be long before that house will burn down. This is not up to code, and you run SERIOUS risk plugging anything into any outlet in a situation like that. Point in fact, when you use the alligator clip to chassis method, you are supposed to plug your case into the wall (while leaving the switch off). This is effectively grounding the entire chassis and your wrist strap to that third plug in your electrical outlet. The only time I would be concerned is if your house is much older construction (world war 2 era) and you had some 220 V outlets in your house. US electical codes were a little bit more forgiving then, and it is possible that the ground plug was used a neutral while the other two plugs were out of phase 110V lines. Of course, if that is the case start suing everyone and anyone that was involved with your house sale.
Never place your life in the hands of anyone. Attaching yourself to a circuit is always a bad idea. Yes, up to code the circuit should be doing its job but if something is wrong then you are dead or injured. I have seen too many mistakes in new electrical construction and installations to absolutely trust ANY circuit with my health. I have a degree in electronics and I am an industrial electrician and I can tell you that things mess up, get broken or installed improperly. The code is very powerful and a great tool but too many things can go wrong and we should never trust that one conductor is going to save us. Grounding conductors are emergency equipment and should be treated as such and by attaching yourself to a device that is made for emergency, worst case situations you are asking for trouble.
The reason I have found voltage on grounding conductors is because I was there to fix the electrical problem. I have found voltage in new construction, old construction and everything in between and they are usually caused by people. You wouldn't believe some of the things I have seen in homes and in industrial plants.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Mary Lilac
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
489
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Posted - 2014.05.16 15:57:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Mary Lilac wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Mary Lilac wrote: The alligator clip on the end is meant to clip on to some type of grounded metal (such as galvanized steel conduit), and you can remove it to stick the plug into the ground plug hole on your wall outlet. Disregard the Voltage markings on the drawing (they are not quite accurate anyway). This is very dangerous, you should never plug anything into a wall that isn't intended to plugged into the wall. Stray and unbalanced currents and voltages use the grounding to balance load and can be energized. All that is needed is equalizing your potential to the part by touching the part ground or by touching something that has been properly grounded, like an appliance with bare metal that is accessible. Grounding is important but shouldn't be treated as if there is no potential on the conductor, if the grounding conductor is energize it can hurt you or your stuff. I have personally tested grounding conductors with 60-70 volts on them in peoples homes. NEVER plug things into a wall outlets that weren't designed to be plugged in or UL tested. If your house was built to code, you should be 100% safe in doing this... that is the point of that plug. That plug is connected directly to the ground (i.e. the galvanized steel conduit which is required to be true-earth ground). If this were not 100% safe, it would be a horrible idea to even touch the outside of your computer case... or any case that is metal, in any electronic component that has that third plug. Seriously, if you have ever been in a house that had 60-70 volts on that grounding hole I hope you called the City, because it would not be long before that house will burn down. This is not up to code, and you run SERIOUS risk plugging anything into any outlet in a situation like that. Point in fact, when you use the alligator clip to chassis method, you are supposed to plug your case into the wall (while leaving the switch off). This is effectively grounding the entire chassis and your wrist strap to that third plug in your electrical outlet. The only time I would be concerned is if your house is much older construction (world war 2 era) and you had some 220 V outlets in your house. US electical codes were a little bit more forgiving then, and it is possible that the ground plug was used a neutral while the other two plugs were out of phase 110V lines. Of course, if that is the case start suing everyone and anyone that was involved with your house sale. Never place your life in the hands of anyone. Attaching yourself to a circuit is always a bad idea. Yes, up to code the circuit should be doing its job but if something is wrong then you are dead or injured. I have seen too many mistakes in new electrical construction and installations to absolutely trust ANY circuit with my health. I have a degree in electronics and I am an industrial electrician and I can tell you that things mess up, get broken or installed improperly. The code is very powerful and a great tool but too many things can go wrong and we should never trust that one conductor is going to save us. Grounding conductors are emergency equipment and should be treated as such and by attaching yourself to a device that is made for emergency, worst case situations you are asking for trouble. The reason I have found voltage on grounding conductors is because I was there to fix the electrical problem. I have found voltage in new construction, old construction and everything in between and they are usually caused by people. You wouldn't believe some of the things I have seen in homes and in industrial plants.
Yeah you are right. You should definately verify that you safety circuitry in your own home is up to snuff. I too have seen a ton of hap-hazard work in all sectors (automotive, construction, electronics, etc..)
To OP, do you know how to use a multimeter?
Actually, what you would do is spend just a little bit of that budget on a decent surge protector that will detect whether or not you have a decent ground as well, as a decent amount of surge protectors now have a ground fault light. Or you can go buy this. Also, you should replace surge protectors every 5 years.
If you do not have a functional ground circuit in your house, this means that none of your surge protectors can really do their job, and as such ALL of your stuff is unprotected.. this is bad news, and something you should remedy BEFORE you spend any amount of money on electronics.
Fortunately, if you can build a PC, you can fix house electrical work easily(IMHO that is, don't do what you are not comfortable with).
1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG.
Be polite, they want to refund you!
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Scheherazade VII
SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance
522
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Posted - 2014.05.16 17:50:00 -
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pay somebody else to do it, that's what I did!
mine was built 3 years ago and puts a big thumbs up to the recommended specs for watch dogs!
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