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Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:01:00 -
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A cloak can last 80 seconds and for those 80 seconds you get a 25% profile dampening bonus? First of all you're already a scout so its not hard to get to 28db but now you're also getting an extra 25%. A maxed gal logi can scan 21 db with a 12 sec visibility. If you're a gal scout when you use your cloak with maxed skills your around 18 db. You can't be picked up with active scans or passive and you havent fit a single profile dampener. What the heck is going on here gal scouts or any scout with enough dampening are invisible on the radar passively or actively. If you decide to use scanners you'll have to spam the scanner almost the entire match to pick up an uncloaked scout which is pretty rare. The dampening bonus while clocked should be removed. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:17:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:Jace Kaisar wrote:Ld Collins wrote:A cloak can last 80 seconds and for those 80 seconds you get a 25% profile dampening bonus? First of all you're already a scout so its not hard to get to 28db but now you're also getting an extra 25%. A maxed gal logi can scan 21 db with a 12 sec visibility. If you're a gal scout when you use your cloak with maxed skills your around 18 db. You can't be picked up with active scans or passive and you havent fit a single profile dampener. What the heck is going on here gal scouts or any scout with enough dampening are invisible on the radar passively or actively. If you decide to use scanners you'll have to spam the scanner almost the entire match to pick up an uncloaked scout which is pretty rare. The dampening bonus while clocked should be removed. Scouts now have 35 base dB 1 Complex Damp puts a normal scout at 24 dB. The cloak helps push scouts past that into the 18 dB range. This isn't bad, as you have to fit both an equip slot and low slot to be stealthy. The real problem is the Gal scouts amazing suit abilities and passives. It gets that damp we mentioned for free, and it also gets an enhanced repper for free. It now has 4 low slots it can use to do whatever it wants. If it decides to throw on a damp, it is UNSCANNABLE while damped. Throw on a Complex Speed, 2x Complex Plates, 1x Complex Shield and 1x Complex Precision. You now have 619 eHP on a scout, with passive rep to armor. You are impossible to scan while cloaked, you sprint at 8.14 (Faster than most assaults with similar eHP) and can scan anyone who isn't proto damped within a ~40m radius. I can also use a proto shotty, proto SMG and an advanced cloak and still have about 40 CPU and 15PG to burn through. Gal Scout does whatever the hell it wants to. Head and shoulders above the other scouts. I will say that my Dragonfly scout suit is now actually a better assault than my Dragonfly assault.... It has faster speed, better all round scanning ability and dampening inbuilt, it has the same EHP as my Dragonfly assault using the same militia mods (More armour on my scout as opposed to shields on my assault) and it has a 2nd equipment slot. Cloaking is a gimmick. I dont think it is terribly useful unless you want that extra dampening to be honest but thats just my opinion.
I was in a match with 13ear on domination he guys 55/7 with a shotgun scout gimmick I think not |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Im also testing 3 advanced precision enhancers on a m 1 suit scouts are walking up behind me and killing me. Standing directly behind me. Could work out the math on a spreadsheet. Save yourself some Isk.
Im just putting out there the length s that you have to go to pick up scouts is ridiculous and even if you maxed your skills its useless. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.15 19:50:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:Ld Collins wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:Jace Kaisar wrote:Ld Collins wrote:A cloak can last 80 seconds and for those 80 seconds you get a 25% profile dampening bonus? First of all you're already a scout so its not hard to get to 28db but now you're also getting an extra 25%. A maxed gal logi can scan 21 db with a 12 sec visibility. If you're a gal scout when you use your cloak with maxed skills your around 18 db. You can't be picked up with active scans or passive and you havent fit a single profile dampener. What the heck is going on here gal scouts or any scout with enough dampening are invisible on the radar passively or actively. If you decide to use scanners you'll have to spam the scanner almost the entire match to pick up an uncloaked scout which is pretty rare. The dampening bonus while clocked should be removed. Scouts now have 35 base dB 1 Complex Damp puts a normal scout at 24 dB. The cloak helps push scouts past that into the 18 dB range. This isn't bad, as you have to fit both an equip slot and low slot to be stealthy. The real problem is the Gal scouts amazing suit abilities and passives. It gets that damp we mentioned for free, and it also gets an enhanced repper for free. It now has 4 low slots it can use to do whatever it wants. If it decides to throw on a damp, it is UNSCANNABLE while damped. Throw on a Complex Speed, 2x Complex Plates, 1x Complex Shield and 1x Complex Precision. You now have 619 eHP on a scout, with passive rep to armor. You are impossible to scan while cloaked, you sprint at 8.14 (Faster than most assaults with similar eHP) and can scan anyone who isn't proto damped within a ~40m radius. I can also use a proto shotty, proto SMG and an advanced cloak and still have about 40 CPU and 15PG to burn through. Gal Scout does whatever the hell it wants to. Head and shoulders above the other scouts. I will say that my Dragonfly scout suit is now actually a better assault than my Dragonfly assault.... It has faster speed, better all round scanning ability and dampening inbuilt, it has the same EHP as my Dragonfly assault using the same militia mods (More armour on my scout as opposed to shields on my assault) and it has a 2nd equipment slot. Cloaking is a gimmick. I dont think it is terribly useful unless you want that extra dampening to be honest but thats just my opinion. I was in a match with 13ear on domination he guys 55/7 with a shotgun scout gimmick I think not. Im also testing 3 advanced precision enhancers on a m 1 suit scouts are walking up behind me and killing me. Standing directly behind me. First off, every medium suit I run has at least 1 complex damp on it. I have a double cplx damp Min scout I use often along with the cloak to stay as far off of tacnet radar as possible. Personally, I do think that there is some OP to it. That being said, I think there is OP to the Cal scout. It takes two modules in order to meet it's passive scan and range ability. Gal scout and Min Scout have a passive bonus that can be supplemented with only one module. In addition I run 3 complex Precision Enhancers on my Logi so heavies in my squad can see whatever I can see but some still slip in ofcourse. its op why do u need 3 enhancers why doesn't your active scanner do the job its op. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.15 20:12:00 -
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ACT1ON BASTARD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Looking into it with a few devs; hopefully something comes out of it. Why dont you just get rid of an equipment slot, a scout should have to make a choice whether he wants to be cloaked or use re`s or whatever.
Nobody's worried about re's and scan tools would still be broken because of a 25% boots for using a cloak. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
137
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:06:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:OP,
Are we still (circa March 25) crying about cloaks??
Get a girlfriend or better yet quit.
You got your tinker wet and some hair on your chest now you think that makes you a man. Dont need a gf I have a wife. Basic math isnt crying its pointing out the obvious. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:32:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:OP,
Are we still (circa March 25) crying about cloaks??
Get a girlfriend or better yet quit. You got your tinker wet and some hair on your chest now you think that makes you a man. Dont need a gf I have a wife. Basic math isnt crying its pointing out the obvious. You couldn't be more off in your assessment. You don't know me and be god damned glad you don't.
Ooooo you can dish it but can't take it. You sound like chump and once a chump always a chump. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:37:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Eruditus 920 wrote:OP,
Are we still (circa March 25) crying about cloaks??
Get a girlfriend or better yet quit. You got your tinker wet and some hair on your chest now you think that makes you a man. Dont need a gf I have a wife. Basic math isnt crying its pointing out the obvious. You couldn't be more off in your assessment. You don't know me and be god damned glad you don't. Ooooo you can dish it but can't take it. You sound like chump and once a chump always a chump. What grown man says"oooooo"? Is your wife typing this for you?
Your heart pump koolaid tough guy. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
138
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Posted - 2014.05.16 00:46:00 -
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Eruditus 920 wrote:Your heart pump koolaid tough guy.
Sweetheart, if you ever git tired of yor husband child and want a real man, look me up...Dallas, TX.
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Lmao dont mess wit Texas! ! How bout them cowboys? They garbage has beens. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
142
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Posted - 2014.05.17 12:01:00 -
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Baan Mee Ho wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Looking into it with a few devs; hopefully something comes out of it. You working on something ?! OMG! Everyone say bye bye to cloaks
Cloaks will still be useful the Bonus is only applied to the scanner tools people will still have to level passive scans to see scouts. The issue is that the "Scanner Tool" cannot pick up scouts that's big problem whats the point of even using the tool if it doesn't work. There's only a 12 sec window of visibility you wont de-cloak no class should have the ability to be nearly permanently invisible.
If you a caldari scout you shuold pick up scouts if your a gallente logi your scanner tool should pick them up too. Anyone else would need mods so how is that ruining cloaks? |
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Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.20 05:34:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Looking into it with a few devs; hopefully something comes out of it. Please don't listen to the OP if he is wrong and present misinformation to the Devs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0The only way to get under a Gal Logi's scans is by dampening or being a Gal Scout, and the only way to get under his Focused Scanner is being dampened AND cloaked if they aren't Gallente, and even the Gal Scout needs two dampeners to be unscannable without the cloak. Although his point about cloak duration compared to Focused Scanner duration is an extremely important point, and yes I believe it should be addressed to the Devs.
I see nothing wrong with my original post there is no misinformation I think you need to reread it. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:47:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Ld Collins wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Looking into it with a few devs; hopefully something comes out of it. Please don't listen to the OP if he is wrong and present misinformation to the Devs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvYSJ6FRJlihdHRWMFFxUDVPbzZPVTdjZmNwR2loYXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0The only way to get under a Gal Logi's scans is by dampening or being a Gal Scout, and the only way to get under his Focused Scanner is being dampened AND cloaked if they aren't Gallente, and even the Gal Scout needs two dampeners to be unscannable without the cloak. Although his point about cloak duration compared to Focused Scanner duration is an extremely important point, and yes I believe it should be addressed to the Devs. I see nothing wrong with my original post there is no misinformation I think you need to reread it. According to this spreadsheet 1 dampener on a Gallente scout makes you impervious to scans while cloaked and 2 dampeners on any other scout suit produces the same results. So ******* what? Get Gud you ******* scrub...
You're the scrub can't you come up with something original spewing the same troll bait as all the others before you. You're boring. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
144
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Posted - 2014.05.20 16:52:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:I don't see the issue with ONE suit being unscanable. That's the charm of it. It's the only suit that receives this bonus without sacrificing it's fitting, which is fine. There are several way to balance this, but the cloak isn't the issue, but the decloak animation and time is debatable, and I would be fine with removing it.
Now should we complain as to why specific suits get specific bonuses? Should we? The Minmatar Heavy is too fast! It's basically and assault with a frickin' HMG! /sarcasm
I wonder how many people are using a HDMI cable with max ingame brightness... I see cloaks just fine. I had brightness way up before cloaks were introduced. I MUST SEE EVERYTHING.
Its not one suit its all of the scout suits its not about being able to see cloaked scouts with your eye its about the scan tool not being able to pick scouts up. How coukd things possible be balanced if the only class that can make use of a scan took is a proto logi with a proto focused scanner. |
Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
145
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Posted - 2014.05.20 20:02:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Ld Collins wrote:[Its not one suit its all of the scout suits its not about being able to see cloaked scouts with your eye its about the scan tool not being able to pick scouts up. How coukd things possible be balanced if the only class that can make use of a scan took is a proto logi with a proto focused scanner.
Proto focused is a joke too 5 second visibility 40 second cool down. Yeah thats very ideal extremely useful and so op that scouts would be ruined if they were spotted for a whole 5 seconds. 6.25 secs if you a maxed logi what a joke. Scanners didn't scan scouts in 1.7. Apart from focused scanners, scanners aren't designed to scan scouts. You can't be a scout if you are scanned all the time. That said, I think scanners were over-nerfed, they should have their scan arc increased (maybe to 90 degrees) to make up for the removal of spin scanning. Also I think there should be an advanced focused scanner. However, you are not meant to rely on scanners to counter scouts. Team play, communication and awareness counter scouts very effectively.
Spin scanning was removed and if those were the only scanners that could scan a scout where does it make sense to give scouts a 25% bonus to dampening while cloaked. We're talking about scanners that have a 40 second cool down and 5-6 visibility. I bet a scout can run from one objective to the next in 40 secs. In 40 second s a scout can cover 320 meters while cloaked. |
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