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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:35:00 -
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Can you tell us how CCP Z is reacting to the negative feedback to the proposed progression system, and our constructive suggestions on what we feel to be more in line with life in New Eden? Is he receptive? Not receptive? Not aware at all? etc |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.12 21:39:00 -
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If anything, I think he has tasked Saberwing and other community people to digest it into something with more substance, like who likes the core concept but wants it more fleshed out and who is against it completely and gives the reasons as to why. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:27:00 -
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Judging by how CCP Z reacted to the question thrown at him in the Progression Presentation, I'm not sure if he's receptive to the negative feedback... unless of course he comes here to the forums and proves me wrong.
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Godin Thekiller
shadows of 514
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Posted - 2014.05.13 03:10:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Judging by how CCP Z reacted to the question thrown at him in the Progression Presentation, I'm not sure if he's receptive to the negative feedback... unless of course he comes here to the forums and proves me wrong.
Oh great, we got another one.......
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CCP Saberwing
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:45:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Can you tell us how CCP Z is reacting to the negative feedback to the proposed progression system, and our constructive suggestions on what we feel to be more in line with life in New Eden? Is he receptive? Not receptive? Not aware at all? etc
He's off sick today so I can't poke him, but he said that he was planning on posting some replies. Also, I'm looking to do a Livestream Q&A with him over the next 10 days or so - need to figure out the specifics but it'll happen.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Jadek Menaheim
Ancient Textiles.
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:50:00 -
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Hope he feels better soon.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:56:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Can you tell us how CCP Z is reacting to the negative feedback to the proposed progression system, and our constructive suggestions on what we feel to be more in line with life in New Eden? Is he receptive? Not receptive? Not aware at all? etc He's off sick today so I can't poke him, but he said that he was planning on posting some replies. Also, I'm looking to do a Livestream Q&A with him over the next 10 days or so - need to figure out the specifics but it'll happen.
Just to be clear saberwing. Its not that the community does not want to make the game more accessible and easier to understand initially for the new players. We just need to hear a lot more on this subject.
The idea of having suits as a permanent BPO - I mean I see where Z is going with that - it just does not seem very EVE like.
I would have thought having some sort of racial bonus for your character that you build up over time that IS permanent would be better and more fitting. (Aside from the usual skills)
However I'll say it again, we really need to hear a lot more on this subject to truly grasp the plan you guys have. |
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CCP Saberwing
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 05:03:00 -
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ANON Cerberus wrote:
Just to be clear saberwing. Its not that the community does not want to make the game more accessible and easier to understand initially for the new players. We just need to hear a lot more on this subject.
The idea of having suits as a permanent BPO - I mean I see where Z is going with that - it just does not seem very EVE like.
My personal stance is that while we are a part of New Eden, and EVE is incredibly influential in that, we shouldn't simply pull everything from another game. This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model (particularly as we want to be Free to Play!). I personally love EVE but think we shouldn't limit ourselves to exploring other options if they help us achieve a vision that is accessible and interesting to everyone, whilst still maintaining the depth and customization that the Universe is known for.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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CCP Blowout
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 05:05:00 -
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Disappointed by misleading thread title. Came for Saberwing thread but it was a Z thread wtf  |
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.05.13 05:07:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:
Just to be clear saberwing. Its not that the community does not want to make the game more accessible and easier to understand initially for the new players. We just need to hear a lot more on this subject.
The idea of having suits as a permanent BPO - I mean I see where Z is going with that - it just does not seem very EVE like.
My personal stance is that while we are a part of New Eden, and EVE is incredibly influential in that, we shouldn't simply pull everything from another game. This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model (particularly as we want to be Free to Play!). I personally love EVE but think we shouldn't limit ourselves to exploring other options if they help us achieve a vision that is accessible and interesting to everyone, whilst still maintaining the depth and customization that the Universe is known for.
i'm less concerned with the suit BPO and more concerned with how they want to change the system.
I personally feel the current skill system is awesome and is what makes this game so unique, the terrible part not have a good tutorial explaining everything and giving new players a chance.
The whole example of mass drivers being down the "logistics" branch of the skill tree..terrible.
This Would Be Great In Legion
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Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 05:40:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:My personal stance is that while we are a part of New Eden, and EVE is incredibly influential in that, we shouldn't simply pull everything from another game. This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model (particularly as we want to be Free to Play!). I personally love EVE but think we shouldn't limit ourselves to exploring other options if they help us achieve a vision that is accessible and interesting to everyone, whilst still maintaining the depth and customization that the Universe is known for.
I think we are all glad that you are willing to explore other options. That is the process that leads to new and interesting things and is well worth the effort to try and see how it goes.
Now like you said:
Quote:This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model
but beyond that, you have one aspect of this game that is not different at all. Not in the slightest... the New Eden universe.
The New Eden universe is the fabric that will tie CCP's three games together. You guys really have to excel at matching the feeling / consistency between your games if you want to actually build a universe. We worry about this because of what we have seen in DUST. As an EVE player I instantly noticed every discrepancy in DUST when I started playing. The amarr / gallente dropsuits being backwards from EVE drove me crazy until you fixed them. At the same time though, the aspects you mirrored felt familiar and comfortable (item loss comes to mind).
I guess what I'm trying to say is that my experience between EVE and DUST is that the more things are similar / consistent, the better they feel. When you guys diverge things instantly feel wrong, out of place, uncomfortable.
The worry people are expressing about the proposed progression system seems to me to stem from this. It does not feel like it belongs in New Eden. The permanent BPO's for dropsuits go against core New Eden principals. The locking of weapons down particular progression paths also feels wrong.
That might not be reason enough to change what you guys have been working on, but I think its enough to warrant a second look and see if you can't address some of the concerns.
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DUST - Azri Sarum
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 06:19:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:
That might not be reason enough to change what you guys have been working on, but I think its enough to warrant a second look and see if you can't address some of the concerns.
Totally fair, and I'll make sure CCP Z sees this thread!
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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Captain Crutches
Nexus Marines
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Posted - 2014.05.13 06:41:00 -
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Azri Sarum wrote:True words
These words are true. Of course make Dust/Legion its own game, of course give it its own feel and of course do what you think would be best to target your desired audience (F2P FPS players). But do it within the spirit of the EVE universe of which we all are a part. In our view, suit BPOs and a strict role-based progression system goes against those principles, and as a long time Eve player I personally am very unsettled by them.
Consider the people who will start playing one game and branch off to the other, like many of us have gone from Eve to Dust and many more (hopefully) will from Dust/Legion to Eve (you know you want their subscription money, don't deny it). If something so fundamental as item loss or progression is so radically different between two games in the same universe, it will hurt immersion and confuse players about what is the "right" way.
Legion is absolutely the right move for the future of Dust. How CCP went about revealing it is the biggest problem.
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Hecarim Van Hohen
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:31:00 -
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CCP Blowout wrote:Disappointed by misleading thread title. Came for Saberwing thread but it was a Z thread wtf
Happened to me also, trust in people = gone 
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CCP Saberwing
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.13 07:35:00 -
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Yeah, what the heck guys. I wanted a thread devoted to me.  Look at those tears.
CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:09:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:
Just to be clear saberwing. Its not that the community does not want to make the game more accessible and easier to understand initially for the new players. We just need to hear a lot more on this subject.
The idea of having suits as a permanent BPO - I mean I see where Z is going with that - it just does not seem very EVE like.
My personal stance is that while we are a part of New Eden, and EVE is incredibly influential in that, we shouldn't simply pull everything from another game. This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model (particularly as we want to be Free to Play!). I personally love EVE but think we shouldn't limit ourselves to exploring other options if they help us achieve a vision that is accessible and interesting to everyone, whilst still maintaining the depth and customization that the Universe is known for.
Well I for one am very happy that you devs really are engaging with the community at this level so early on. Its refreshing and actually gives us a ton of hope that together we will get Legion right.
I hear what you are saying Saberwing and I do understand. Its good that you are not letting the notions of EVE restrict you and of course this is a different game. All I can say is, lets keep the discussions rolling over the coming weeks and months and see where we end up.
Oh and I look forwards to hearing more in-depth and more detail from CCP Z. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.13 15:24:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 03:54:00 -
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CCP Saberwing wrote:ANON Cerberus wrote:
Just to be clear saberwing. Its not that the community does not want to make the game more accessible and easier to understand initially for the new players. We just need to hear a lot more on this subject.
The idea of having suits as a permanent BPO - I mean I see where Z is going with that - it just does not seem very EVE like.
My personal stance is that while we are a part of New Eden, and EVE is incredibly influential in that, we shouldn't simply pull everything from another game. This is a different project with very different gameplay, and even a different revenue model (particularly as we want to be Free to Play!). I personally love EVE but think we shouldn't limit ourselves to exploring other options if they help us achieve a vision that is accessible and interesting to everyone, whilst still maintaining the depth and customization that the Universe is known for.
My personal stance is that we are a part of New Eden which has a GOOD reputation for giving an incredible amount of options and having complexity that rewards intelligent players. THAT is the draw. Not an easy system, not mass appeal for every single person in existence. It doesn't need to be spreadsheets. Armored Core is also complex and has a pretty religious following, but you don't hear people refer to it as spreadsheets on legs. The gameplay sets it apart from the type of reputation EVE has, not the complexity.
Now, you say that you shouldn't limit yourselves in the exploration of other options to achieving a certain vision. But ironically, this is exactly what CCP Z is attempting to do to us instead. Limit our options.
We don't want our options limited, and the primary fear is that the system becomes dumbed down to something like Battlefield which is not a thing anybody wants. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.05.14 04:17:00 -
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I just want a good MMO/Shooter :<
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CCP Z
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:34:00 -
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I just created a topic to answer all questions here |
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