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Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2091	Posted - 2014.05.13 14:09:00 - [1] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: We're not copying eve's system unfortunately. Dust 514 and Legion are supposed to be lower barriers of entry to the eve universe and with the setting of a shooter environment the 5 node system doesn't work for us at all as it tries to force every node to be worth something. If they had a proper tutorial that wouldn't be a problem Also attracting isiots then asking them to do things like PC and FW is stupid in itself. Trying to attract casuals to become actual gamer on a game like this is silly, and holding their hand along the way surely won't help. Also, making it to where the advanced player can't do what he or she wants is equally bad, and will eventually bore them into leaving. Again, why can't you make a structure that is optional, have a open path as we do in EVE and dust for the vets, or just do ISIS? They can make a structure that is optional, it would be quick, easy and satisfy all concerned parties. If there has been a consistent message from peeps who have played DUST, it's that the skill & fitting systems have been rich and engaging. To throw that quality gameplay away needlessly does not serve Legion at all. Players don't need a NPE intro/tutorial/walkthrough to learn the basics of FPSs and any NPE that focused on what all shooter players already know would be a waste of time and resources. New Players need guidance to learn three primary things: 1) DUST/Legion Systems: Skills & fitting. 2) New Eden systems: Resources, ISK, manufacturing, market, corps. 3) Battle field awareness: How to read a DUST/Legion Battlefield, passive/active scanning, knowledge of ttk, weapon systems, vehicles, equipment, etc. It sounds like CCP is hoping that a simplified skill system will obviate the need for a quality tutorial. I say we'd get much more out of a rich, deep, engaging skill/fitting system and quality tutorial than CCP would need to put into it. A rich system and a quality tutorial is an amplifier for quality-of-gameplay through out a merc's career in New Eden, whereas a simplified generic-looking skill tree trades ease in the first week for lackluster gameplay over the merc's entire career. But we don't have to choose: start with the kiddie generic fps stuff and then give players the ability to flip a switch and turn on the glory that is New Eden's deep and engaging RPG system. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2092	Posted - 2014.05.13 15:13:00 - [2] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kovinis Sparagas wrote: Iron Wolf Saber: in EVE, DUST and others MMO I always tried and was proud to be jack of all trades (knows everything, but nothing at max lvl) So in DUST I am able to fit every gear it is in game (but only at standard level, and not adv, or pro) So your saying that CCP Z's progresion will FORCE me to specialize (because where will be not 5 lvl, and only 1 yes?), in this SANDOX game? No. I am an omnisoldier myself if at best it would enable us better by making available all the basic types of items off the bat fairly quickly and then allow mixing and matching between all the things we unlocked. Advanced mode was just a way to game the system without having to drill down another tree. ".. a way to game the system without having to drill down another tree" ??? Holy **** you oughta be a politician - you have a natural ability to twist the truth into kittenpoop. I suppose by your analogy i shouldn't have learned to use a multimeter at age 7, i should've trained Electrical engineering to lvl 1 first. Not helpful, IWS. PSN: RationalSpark
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2092	Posted - 2014.05.13 15:31:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Kovinis Sparagas wrote: Iron Wolf Saber: in EVE, DUST and others MMO I always tried and was proud to be jack of all trades (knows everything, but nothing at max lvl) So in DUST I am able to fit every gear it is in game (but only at standard level, and not adv, or pro) So your saying that CCP Z's progresion will FORCE me to specialize (because where will be not 5 lvl, and only 1 yes?), in this SANDOX game? No. I am an omnisoldier myself if at best it would enable us better by making available all the basic types of items off the bat fairly quickly and then allow mixing and matching between all the things we unlocked. Advanced mode was just a way to game the system without having to drill down another tree. ".. a way to game the system without having to drill down another tree" ??? Holy **** you oughta be a politician - you have a natural ability to twist the truth into kittenpoop. I suppose by your analogy i shouldn't have learned to use a multimeter at age 7, i should've trained Electrical engineering to lvl 1 first. Not helpful, IWS. Multimeters by age 7 is fairly easy. Beeps = good wire, no beeps = bad wire. If it beeps one way and not the other? Diode! its like playing minecraft without the mining or crafting. The whole resistances and volts and things come much later. A more proper analogy to the idea is Scenario 1; cross training weapons in the same class "I know How Gunz work how different can be amarrian rifles be?" Gallente Soldier goes off and gets an high tech variant to blow up in his face. "Okay.... uhm can I start with something easier?" Gallente Soldier is then able to cross train a slightly easier to learn rifle instead. Scenario 2; cross training weapons in the same race. Gallente soldier " Okay it has a cyclotron its short ranged and spews plasma how different can it be from my rifle?" Fires Ion Pistol a bit. "I almost got the hang of this, bit weird but nothing major to adjust to" Scenario 3; cross training infantry with vehicles. Gallente soldier hops into caldari tank. ".... I have no effing idea what the hell I am doing here. Why are there 6 pedals but only 4 directions?" Gallente soldier hops into Gallente tank. "Oh this looks familiar; it's like driving my personal car at home with dozen of more buttons." You confirmed my point exactly. Learning to use a multimeter leads to an understanding of electricity and electronics later. There is no prerequisire IRL unlike your gamey, artificial, transparent, immersion-breaking system. PSN: RationalSpark

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