DUST Search - The best commando race

Gelan Corbaine wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

All of those examples are as asinine as me asking.

What are your shields to a Flux Grenade?
What is your dual tank/ speed tank to far firing anti shield weapons with an operator that has half a brain?
What is your MD to someone Lasering you down from 75m away?

What is your entire game plan under a very specific scenario with directly puts you at a disadvantage and gives your opponent the almost perfect conditions to defeat you?

The answer is very simple..... A smart minmatar is in no way obligated to walk straight into that scenario and has the speed to disengage and approach from another angle and actually have weapons that can adapt to a multitude of scenarios instead of one "perfect" one . Meanwhile your scenario makes you effectively immobile when you are already slow. "I'll beat you if you fight fair ." To paraphrase the old holoreel gives me little incentive to fight fair .

Any scenario that requires foolishness on your enemies part is in no way perfect .

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I'll take my Nanohive Armour reps, Active Repair Tool Reps, and 100% Armour regen Wyrkomi's to 800+ armour over a poor dual tank any day.

Pretty sure we were discussion flexibility of suit design. Amarr does it the best. More durable, greater sources of reps on main tank, and two of the more ubiquitous long range rifles in the game.

In the role of suppressive fire power and unit durability the Amarr Commando comes out on top, that is the Commando's role.

We agree to disagree then because I prefer mobility , adaptability on the fly . and to have more actual use at more than one point on the map that forces me to set up camp to get the maximum benefit out of my gear .

"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon


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True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10510	Posted - 2014.06.07 23:01:00 - [1] - Quote Amarr Commando is the original and currently the best. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10510	Posted - 2014.06.07 23:07:00 - [2] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr Commando is the original and currently the best. In terms of versatility, no. I would wholly disagree with you. Laser Trumps Mass Driver in terms of utility anyday. And the Combat Rifle is not worth losing almost all semblance of tank and the utility armour tanking doctrines give you. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10510	Posted - 2014.06.07 23:09:00 - [3] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr Commando is the original and currently the best. What? Maybe if anyone was good enough with lasers or scr.......but on average ide trade my gal proto comando for a caldari w/ racial bonus in a heart beat. I don't think you have been up again........any of the Amarr FW core players or Arkena....... Tiberius, Lea, Aero, and Arkena were the scariest energy weapon players to meet in the game. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10517	Posted - 2014.06.08 19:50:00 - [4] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Amarr Commando is the original and currently the best. In terms of versatility, no. I would wholly disagree with you. Laser Trumps Mass Driver in terms of utility anyday. And the Combat Rifle is not worth losing almost all semblance of tank and the utility armour tanking doctrines give you. Let's see a Laser clear out an indoor corridor or fight a scout at cqc range. Shall I post a 25/0 game using primarily the Laser Rifle? ASCR is my room sweeper, LR for anything else. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10517	Posted - 2014.06.08 21:06:00 - [5] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shall I post a 25/0 game using primarily the Laser Rifle? ASCR is my room sweeper, LR for anything else. Not saying the Laser isn't good at it's job goldfish just strongly disagree it's more versatile than the MD which can be used in more situations than "sit across an open field and kill everything that comes in sight. " . Oh and my ACR laughs at your puny little ASCR . To each their own but having run in the 6 man Commando teams I will never underestimate the value of a good Amarrian with a Laser Rifle. One can and should lock down entire sections of the map as I like to say and as the Commando's primary role is ranged suppression and support having both CQC and long ranged fire arms on one heavily armoured unit is undeniable. Not to mention that the utility of having a strong armour tank allows me to make best use of Nanohives, Repair tools, and my personal favourite and part of our established corp doctrine 100% Wyrkomi Nanite Injectors. LR laughs at both your ACR and MD. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10518	Posted - 2014.06.08 21:49:00 - [6] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: True Adamance wrote: Gelan Corbaine wrote: True Adamance wrote: Shall I post a 25/0 game using primarily the Laser Rifle? ASCR is my room sweeper, LR for anything else. Not saying the Laser isn't good at it's job goldfish just strongly disagree it's more versatile than the MD which can be used in more situations than "sit across an open field and kill everything that comes in sight. " . Oh and my ACR laughs at your puny little ASCR . To each their own but having run in the 6 man Commando teams I will never underestimate the value of a good Amarrian with a Laser Rifle. One can and should lock down entire sections of the map as I like to say and as the Commando's primary role is ranged suppression and support having both CQC and long ranged fire arms on one heavily armoured unit is undeniable. Not to mention that the utility of having a strong armour tank allows me to make best use of Nanohives, Repair tools, and my personal favourite and part of our established corp doctrine 100% Wyrkomi Nanite Injectors. LR laughs at both your ACR and MD. But ahh my friend .... what use is your Nanohives when they are destroyed ? What use are your injectors when clones are permakilled by explosions ? What use is your armor when when the bonuses of the weapon are against them ? And the most important question of all ......... what use is your laser pointer when one does not have to step in sight of you to do all this ? Laugh my golden friend .... laugh at your own peril ! All of those examples are as asinine as me asking. What are your shields to a Flux Grenade? What is your dual tank/ speed tank to far firing anti shield weapons with an operator that has half a brain? What is your MD to someone Lasering you down from 75m away? What is your entire game plan under a very specific scenario with directly puts you at a disadvantage and gives your opponent the almost perfect conditions to defeat you? I'll take my Nanohive Armour reps, Active Repair Tool Reps, and 100% Armour regen Wyrkomi's to 800+ armour over a poor dual tank any day. Pretty sure we were discussion flexibility of suit design. Amarr does it the best. More durable, greater sources of reps on main tank, and two of the more ubiquitous long range rifles in the game. In the role of suppressive fire power and unit durability the Amarr Commando comes out on top, that is the Commando's role. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10518	Posted - 2014.06.08 22:28:00 - [7] - Quote Doctor Day wrote: Combat Rifle is better than the laser rifle im sorry.... Not on your life slave. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10518	Posted - 2014.06.08 22:57:00 - [8] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: True Adamance wrote: All of those examples are as asinine as me asking. What are your shields to a Flux Grenade? What is your dual tank/ speed tank to far firing anti shield weapons with an operator that has half a brain? What is your MD to someone Lasering you down from 75m away? What is your entire game plan under a very specific scenario with directly puts you at a disadvantage and gives your opponent the almost perfect conditions to defeat you? The answer is very simple..... A smart minmatar is in no way obligated to walk straight into that scenario and has the speed to disengage and approach from another angle and actually have weapons that can adapt to a multitude of scenarios instead of one "perfect" one . Meanwhile your scenario makes you effectively immobile when you are already slow. "I'll beat you if you fight fair ." To paraphrase the old holoreel gives me little incentive to fight fair . Any scenario that requires foolishness on your enemies part is in no way perfect . Quote: I'll take my Nanohive Armour reps, Active Repair Tool Reps, and 100% Armour regen Wyrkomi's to 800+ armour over a poor dual tank any day. Pretty sure we were discussion flexibility of suit design. Amarr does it the best. More durable, greater sources of reps on main tank, and two of the more ubiquitous long range rifles in the game. In the role of suppressive fire power and unit durability the Amarr Commando comes out on top, that is the Commando's role. We agree to disagree then because I prefer mobility , adaptability on the fly . and to have more actual use at more than one point on the map that forces me to set up camp to get the maximum benefit out of my gear . If you believe the Amarr Commando is a static emplacement then you are wrong. I can become a durable static emplacement if I desire, just as I can before a rock solid assault unit. But I would never take a Min Commando over a Amarr Commando for MAV troop transport (which I do in my HAV) and not for Air Cav drops. I have a mindset geared towards attrition gameplay...this is primarily because I consider any assault on a position the equivalent of a siege and approach it in the same way I would in any other game featuring fortifications and siege mechanics. Dust needs more urban and more siege. "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10522	Posted - 2014.06.09 01:41:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: Is it really possible to do a complete comparison to determine which is better (Mass Driver or Laser Rifle) when they both have completely different ways of serving their niche? I think the option of which is better simply boils down to personal preference. Yeah I prefer having to aim...... "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10524	Posted - 2014.06.09 02:33:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Disregarding weapons, and fitting each commando as best as possible with regards to module choices, I say: Amarr Gallente Minmatar Caldari The Omnimando God has spoken. Let all witness this foolish godlike individual who has OP 5 for every Commando! "You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength." -Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon