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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:06:00 -
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Xander Mercy wrote:1. the pc and accessories aren't standard gives an unfair advantage to those with better rigs
2. you have to upgrade much more frequently then consoles
3. you can't play with your friends in person only online which doesn't matter if your playing a single player game but still your not going to pack up your pc and go to a friends house like you can with a console, plus i enjoy a good 2-4 player co-op game
4. to fragile but this can be said for the xbox as well cause if your hit it while the game is running say good bye the that disk. i've drop my ps3 tons of times and it didn't even skip a beat now if a pc where to fall its all over time to to replace parts
1. Console Tournament Controllers would like a word with you. They're about 140 usd a pop.
2. Once you invested into a computer full atx case the cost of upgrades if you are trying to remain relative and able to play the latest coming out at acceptable console level graphics half as frequent and half as expensive. To continue to out play console games you would then need to update just as much at just as much.
3. Nvidia shield would like a word with you; also PCs invented Lan parties.
4. I have a intel 286 in the garage, it runs a radio scanner program and dos still; however I am running out of floppy drives to do stuff with it. I also have a 368; a 486, and pentium 1, and pentium 4 operating around the house doing their own things i think my P4 is my current part tester machine. The P1 Darpa guidelines approved low level formats at low energy costs. These machines survived high heat, chills, water, light exposure, moisture, dust, multiple moves, one actually got zapped and is still operating. another blew out a capacitor and had it replaced. another one I operated on to upgrade onboard sub coproc memory to double it.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:43:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote: Hey look it is the CPM that likes to report people, the one who is pretty much always provably wrong. Let us begin
1. That is not a counter-point. You can spend 140 USD to have a controller with programmable turbo and maybe a few functions (that fail more often than they work) or you can buy a PC rig that will not have any framterate issues, along with bots that are about a million time ssmarter than a controller. That is not even close to comparible. Next.
2. GPUs cot as much as consoles typically, The 9800 GT has trouble with some games that the PS3 plays, and that is 3 generations newer than the PS3. While a 7870 has about the same specs, it will not be able to keep up with a PS4, as history has shown us again and again. Next.
3. NVidia shield is not-upgradable, and it is android. Next.
4. PCs ARE less portable, and ARE NOT as sturdy, are you really trying to say otherwise? I have a colecovision that works just fine. It has gone through 3 generations of KIDS and is still fine.
Also, this entire post is just another good example of why you should be ejected from REPRESENTING CONSOLE GAMERS ON A CONSOLE GAME. You are a PCmasteracist.
1. A PS3 player with an older model PS3 upgraded the HDD to a SSD with excessively fast data rates. This hard drive can run up to 100-400 usd depending on the vendor specs and size. This player experiences a massive relative boosts to loading speeds and gets on average 5-15 seconds field time over more modern models (which has a data governor of sorts purposely to try to keep it fair) or those who cannot be bothered to sink that much more money on that system.
2. Page 1 Results.
9800 GTX 34.00 400 gt for 54.99 610 gt for 59.99
Shop better...
3. Neither was the ps4; ps3, ps2, ps1, ps1/snes, snes, nes.
4. http://www.falcon-nw.com/desktops/fragbox
Salt on wound factor
http://oldcomputers.net/compaqiii.html
this is not even the oldest one I know of; model I worked once only had a printer output while it was in portable mode.
When you fix lots of computers you run into alot of weird things. Like one of these... http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/misc/5170_memory_board_512K.jpg took me forever to solder all of the chips off one of these before.
Also NES original babysat me quite a bit. I find it sad you guys managed to grow up in an age of hyper speed internets and are not able to utilize all of its information to better use.
You know what is awesome about having family members and upgrading computers? doing hand me downs. My computer is still in my family though in all separate parts. The parts that comprised the first computer I built by myself was sold to an old couple who only needed it for emails.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.11 15:20:00 -
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1. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-can-ssd-upgrades-boost-ps3-performance diagnostic tools, check; articulated details, check; technical reasoning and though process as to why, check
2. Doesnt matter 9800gt is 50$ or less these days. A card that runs just about any current game coming out at console level graphics is about as much still; just pick the right vendor and chipset and have a good enough board to support it. Video Cards have the highest attrition rates and their starting prices bottom out amazingly fast. This can be blamed on production methods (they don't have to build a new factory for every new card unlike oh say a TV or console would) PS3 at launch was 500$ today an ultra slim runs you 200-300$
3. Consoles are not designed to be that portable though; a quick example is that if your ps3/xbox/wii been living its entire life as a horizontal; and you put it in a vertical you can easily kill it and we're not just talking about the optic drive. Also none of these things have handles or places to wrap up cords and the external on many of the models is the largest factor of non portability there is.
4. Odd consoles goes through the same issues. New Models even in the same year. Problem there? you have to buy a whole new console to upgrade and at that point you don't get any really increased performance. Maybe higher reliability and lighter weight or larger screen size. Since we're talking about PS3
CECH B CECH A Had flash card readers and wifi CHEH C / E 4 USB Ports; PS2 Emulators, SACD palyback, Linux Support, End of Gen 1 CHEH G / H / J / K / L / M / P / Q Reduction to 2 USB ports, End of Gen 2, End of Fatmans CHEH 20/21/25/30 A / B First fo the slims featuring Bravia sync xmb control, doubly truehd and dts- hd master audio bistreaming. Generation 3 died in this run and Gen 4 Started.
CHEH 40 A/B/C has a smaller foot print and is Generation 5.
Problem here? There is no way you can get a CHEC gen 1 to have any of the features of Gen 5.
So if you were an upgrade console fanatic (they exist its how I get free consoles) you just blew about 2.5k keeping up in pace of consoles.
As for upgrading computers; back of my hand; eyes stabbed out blind, certified Testout Computer Tech. My previous job fixing F-18s electrical systems in similar conditions.
Aren't you supposed to be complaining about issues with dust 514 instead of the hardware its on?
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.12 05:49:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote: You are just reaching now.. you are comparing having to update your computer to console hardware revisions. New flash genius, I can play all of the latest greatest PS3 games on my 2007 PS3 without MISSING ONE THING (always wait until first price drop... always).
Also, if you went from fixing f-18 electrical systems to upgrading computers, you are an idiot.
1) I know you have been unemployed for like the majority of the time You have been a member of the Dust community, this is no secret.
2) There is no possible way that a job that requires a security clearance would pay less than f-ing geek squad.
Also, you keep comparing the cost of a 9800 GT from today, which makes me really think you are just an idiot. In order to match the performance of a PS3 in 2008 (2 years after it came out) you had to spend 75% of the cost of the ENTIRE CONSOLE on a graphics card ONLY.
LOL, even today, can you build a computer that will beat a PS3 for less than the cost of a super-slim (~$260 with a free game)? I know the fact that windows will be $100, blurray drive at least $50, and blurray playback software being another $50 only leaves you with $6-70 for case, MB, KB/m, CPU, GPU, PSU, RAM, oh and thats right... you need that 1 year warranty on everything so that means brand new components.
PS3 > a GPU. a PS3 by itself will play games, watch movies, surf the internet, stream/share local media, print, you know... a great deal of stuff (not anywhere near as much as a computer, but stil a ton of stuff). A GPU will do nothing without it's surrounding components, you really can't compare just a GPU versus an entire console.
On point 3. Yeah I am going to need a source on that on right there. Also, for a handle see the gamecube.
PS3 Challenge?
PS3 Stats 3.2 GHz standard operation at 9.46 gflops 256 MB DDR2 GPU 550 Mhz 256 GDDR3 ram 650 MHZ 1 Game 1 Controller 295$ From New Egg + Tax ???
PC Pentium D Type 805 2.66GHz 10.664 gflops 6$ OR Pentium D Type 840 3.2 GHZ 12.8 gflops 6$ +Fan 8$
Board 35.99$ 256 DDR Memory 4$ GPU 8600GTS 675 MHz 265 GDDR3 100MHz 30$ Micro ATX Case 13$ (well in my case free I have a few of them) Micro ATX PSU 13$ Keyboard and Mouse 12$ Total 92$
and to price match I would have to include about 10-50 games from GoG + hundreds of free ones avialable.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.12 05:56:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:IWS, I have question. Is it best to go with Pentium instead of AMD? I like AMD because of the price, but I can't help but look at pentium as the better choice.
As someone else said; AMD seems to know an Intel person and blows up in their face...
Call it bad luck or whatever I have yet to have an AMD PC or Laptop survive more than a year under my care.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:05:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Mary Lilac wrote: You are just reaching now.. you are comparing having to update your computer to console hardware revisions. New flash genius, I can play all of the latest greatest PS3 games on my 2007 PS3 without MISSING ONE THING (always wait until first price drop... always).
Also, if you went from fixing f-18 electrical systems to upgrading computers, you are an idiot.
1) I know you have been unemployed for like the majority of the time You have been a member of the Dust community, this is no secret.
2) There is no possible way that a job that requires a security clearance would pay less than f-ing geek squad.
Also, you keep comparing the cost of a 9800 GT from today, which makes me really think you are just an idiot. In order to match the performance of a PS3 in 2008 (2 years after it came out) you had to spend 75% of the cost of the ENTIRE CONSOLE on a graphics card ONLY.
LOL, even today, can you build a computer that will beat a PS3 for less than the cost of a super-slim (~$260 with a free game)? I know the fact that windows will be $100, blurray drive at least $50, and blurray playback software being another $50 only leaves you with $6-70 for case, MB, KB/m, CPU, GPU, PSU, RAM, oh and thats right... you need that 1 year warranty on everything so that means brand new components.
PS3 > a GPU. a PS3 by itself will play games, watch movies, surf the internet, stream/share local media, print, you know... a great deal of stuff (not anywhere near as much as a computer, but stil a ton of stuff). A GPU will do nothing without it's surrounding components, you really can't compare just a GPU versus an entire console.
On point 3. Yeah I am going to need a source on that on right there. Also, for a handle see the gamecube.
PS3 Challenge?PS3 Stats 3.2 GHz standard operation at 9.46 gflops 256 MB DDR2 GPU 550 Mhz 256 GDDR3 ram 650 MHZ 1 Game 1 Controller 295$ From New Egg + Tax ??? PCPentium D Type 805 2.66GHz 10.664 gflops 6$ OR Pentium D Type 840 3.2 GHZ 12.8 gflops 6$ +Fan 8$ Board 35.99$ 256 DDR Memory 4$ GPU 8600GTS 675 MHz 265 GDDR3 100MHz 30$ Micro ATX Case 13$ (well in my case free I have a few of them) Micro ATX PSU 13$ Keyboard and Mouse 12$ Total 92$ and to price match I would have to include about 10-50 games from GoG + hundreds of free ones avialable. You fail.... You can not actually buy a single one of those components with a 1 year warranty Your setup will not run GTA 4, Assasin's creed 4, Tomb Raider, or just about any multi-platform release in the last 2 years. You also did not link one single piece of equipment, so you basically just made up prices and put it next to those things. You obviously tried to overpay for the PS3. ($269 dollars with The Last of Us). Your setup does not include a 500 GB hard drive. How about you stop being stupid now?
odd the one you linked with last of us is priced up to 299$-334$
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:32:00 -
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I don't bother linking older parts because market is volatile and items get unlisted quickly.
but okay lazy mode activate!
GTA 4 Core 2 Duo 1.8 GHz 1.5 GB memory 16GB 256MB Nvidia 7900
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM7082378309?hlSellerId=10333&ci_src=184425893&ci_sku=SPM7792719702&sid=IDx20131030xMPCOMxCPA9
128$
AC4
http://www.portatech.com/cart/show.asp
Combo w/ AMD Athlon II X4 (Socket AM3) w/ Athlon II X4 620 (4 x 2.6GHz - 2MB Cache - 4000MHz FSB) AMD A780-MB Systems - CPU Fan Only 2GB DDR3 1600MHz (1 x 2GB - Single Module) 500GB 7200RPM SATA3 6gb/sec - Hard Drive Assembly & Pretest - Basic 400W Basic Power Supply Combo - 1 Year
216$ +3$ case from local state auction
TR
See Laptop*
Oh and lets add the games
Laptop 186$ +20$ For TR, AC 4 + 40$
246$
PC Build 296$ for all three games.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 06:47:00 -
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More like you never laid down any specific rules to this game so I break as many as I want. Hence lazy mode activation because you're being just as lazy so I see no need to work any harder why you laud away and yell at everyone from your moral high ground.
No need for blu ray on the PC though to be honest just download it; not like physical games are really sold anymore these days. Minimal Video card between the three games varied most where anywher from 30-50$
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:02:00 -
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Mary Lilac wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:More like you never laid down any specific rules to this game so I break as many as I want. Hence lazy mode activation because you're being just as lazy so I see no need to work any harder why you laud away and yell at everyone from your moral high ground.
No need for blu ray on the PC though to be honest just download it; not like physical games are really sold anymore these days. Minimal Video card between the three games varied most where anywher from 30-50$ See, exactly my point, you are f-ing wrong, but now you will just try to deflect that. me wrote: LOL, even today, can you build a computer that will beat a PS3 for less than the cost of a super-slim (~$260 with a free game)? I know the fact that windows will be $100, blurray drive at least $50, and blurray playback software being another $50 only leaves you with $6-70 for case, MB, KB/m, CPU, GPU, PSU, RAM, oh and thats right... you need that 1 year warranty on everything so that means brand new components.
After which you posted a bunch of builds that can't play any new releases for the last 2 years, then you went and starting using refurbished/used stuff with no warranty. So you obviously read it, you knew what it meant, you can not create a computer even today that can match a PS3 at it's own price point. You have to try to cheat and lie, which is to be expected from someone who helped rip off THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. Yes you need blurray, hell that is a BIG feature of the PS3, that you can watch all those amazing high-def BLURRAYS on what equates to an amazing player along with games. Not only that, you can actually own your own games, meaning you can by/sell them (you know, consumer rights and the whole secondary market thing). But whatever, just go ahead and lie/cheat/and steal, like you always do. No reason to ever admit you are wrong as hell because you are IWS, Super)MAN!!! EDIT: yep, just move on IWS, act like you never opened your lie-hole.
Or maybe you can man up and take up the challenge.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:53:00 -
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Gemini Cuspid wrote:
Because if I wanted Dust for PC I'd care more about Legion. But I don't and it could be called a personal preference or being stubborn but I also judge the quality of the games by the company in all of their fronts: Duken Nukem's re-release was horrible and that company earns my vote to never buy a release from them. Square-Enix redeemed themselves with FF14:ARR and Tomb Raider. I think FF14's first release was far worse than Dust but they've jumped miles ahead of CCP on the communication, expectation and keeping players informed.
CCP really is on lifeline with how I support them now. I have an i7 build running SLI cards so it's a beastly gaming rig. But the point I will make is what use is buying into Legion or even Dust right now when you can't really look at CCP and believe they won't have your interest in mind? When stuff got problematic on Dust rather than run into "fix it" mode they gave us cloaks....Instead of interviewing and investigating the Gek-38 imbalance they gave us Railguns...How company approaches obstacles is a criteria all gamers like to sit down and talk about and use as a point of contention with CCP.
Their pr is horrible right now, they're barely surviving public scrutiny [because only presidents should have a sub 50% approval rating without getting fired] and they're intentionally going to abandon a large quantity of their current playerbase to move onto a concept, Legion, that's built upon a semi-broken concept, Dust.
You don't have to be a PC, console or hybrid player like me to look at this and scratch your head with a "wtf" exclamation mark on your head. Surprisingly this is by far NOT THE WORSE thing a company has done; HP saying they plan to stop making PC's was and we all know what happened to their CEO. CCP has stopped WoD and now can't even handle Dust, I'd be worried if I was them. This is far worse than when they released EvE:Incarna because working on game updates and material no one wants is a waste of resources.
FF14 fired the entire production staff first. Hired a guy that had experience with MMOs he then turns around hires more personnel to fix the game first; then he focused on a ps4 launch. Now those are out of the way content time.
As for what CCP Wolfman and CCP Remnant do I can only do so much yelling at them. Cloaking was being brought in regardless because of technology investment costs (shaders.) I would love to thank CCP Remnant on at least listening to the CPM concerning cloak role and function; previous version of the cloak would not been enjoyed at all. Regardless CCP developers are human; they are people; they have emotions like you and I and lot of these guys are absolutely scared to talk to most of you; let alone the CPM. CCP Rouge knows about the issue though so hopefully he being in the position can do better persuasion.
PR I agree with being terrible; CPM has long complained about it for a year now and after this fanfest mess up changes are bound to happen. It was also because of PR is why there was enough resentment on my end to convince other CPM members to try to stay on board because I didn't want to prove the PR's notions about the community or cpm establishment correct. Now that PR messed up; we sorta have the told you so shield up and a bit more oumph when we talk to PR again.
As for approval ratings http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dust-514 lets say you're company board and you see this score and read most of the bad reviews while the forums where exploding with negativity? What would your actions be? I am no member of such boards but I would have had heads roll for that.
While I would love to talk more about horrible PR as the relationship with it as CPm is probably the reason why staying was the smarter of two terrible moves we could have done; Bottom line its not CCP Rouges fault; its not the CPM's fault. We did what we could, and now CCP knows they effed up. That's the important part. They know they effed up. Things happen when a company realizes it effed up.
and no the far worst thing I ever had a company do to me is shut down an MMO development; using most of the funds since its launch favor of another entirely different mmo as the game completely. While the one they're shutting down fell massively short of its goals and didn't even bother trying to reach up to accomplish any more of its goals it set out to do; patchings only consisting mostly of ui changes and monetization efforts. Heck that second mmo was not even in the same universe or category and promising a sequel with no transferability. Sadly that second mmo is already shutting down http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/12/todd-harris-confirms-no-more-development-on-tribes-ascend/ so yes I been in your boat before. The whole getting cut off Its not new I experienced it and whole reason why I cannot be as pissed off as I like to be over CCP's fubared legion announcement because it wasn't worth getting angry about in the end.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 08:57:00 -
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Spark Kincade wrote:There's plenty of reasons to choose one gaming platform over another, but the ridiculous reasons listed in the OP are just so insanely misinformed and asinine. It reinforces the ignorant and delusional console gamer stereotype that I thought we had gotten away from.
No that's people in general you will come to find out in life. You thought you moved away from those seemingly less in faculties and someone will come along and make others seem more capable of lowest dominators. Just take care to never be one yourself though.
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Posted - 2014.05.12 09:34:00 -
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Well now that the proverbial muzzle is off CCP Rogue he has been posting far more frequently than the previous EP ever did.
Right now action is needed next.
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