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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:03:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Missile tanks will kill it. Rail tanks will kill it. More than a single forge gun or swarm launcher will, in fact, kill it.
I know you feel entitled to be able to kill everything with whatever your current fitting is, by yourself, with no help. You are however, not.
Considering how AVers give up a primary to do so, while also having to spend similar amounts of SP as other roles (including the Tanker role); yes we are indeed entitled. No, you're not. You're a peasant attempting to fight a knight in full armor with a pitchfork. Stick to the fields. You have no right whatsoever to intrude on a tank fight as a pathetic infantryman and expect equal treatment. "AV" is an emergency role that happens when a lack of tankers are present, or when your tanks have been suppressed into the red line. It is not meant to be as good as another tank.
Sadly, I suspect you are serious.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 15:08:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I also want to add that we're not happy with the current balance between infantry AV and tanks, so that's one of the things we have on our list to look at for DUST 514.
Excellent, now if you could just do something about tankers and their constipated viewpoints.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:09:00 -
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WARxion ForDUST wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:ITT:
The end result of pushing away unbiased discussion from the forums.
Here we have a faction conflict.
Tankers - Terrified of losing their indomitable status on the battlefield
Infantry - Terrified of DUST devolving into world of tanks.
The interesting point is the anger involved as both sides put forward their arguments. Strong emotions, such as these, usually foment from fear responses to stimuli. The infantry feeling abandoned from their place of dominance, and the Tanker fearing for theirs.
Can balance ever be achieved in a world of, what equates to, 'DOODY-HEAD' 'HE'S CHEATING!' and ' NUH-UH!!'?
The elitest attitudes and faction aligments are set.
And no f**ks were given.
Actually ITT: people could not solo Proto TripleRep Maddys with Militia Swarm so it must be OP and should be nerfed. To contribute something positive about the AVs... yesterday I had fun with the Militia Swarm so I put some SP into it to leave the peasant free AV suit tier. It isn't UP at all! With an ADV Swarm and a random dude with MLT right next to me we killed 3 tanks out of 4 on the field by pressing R1 and aiming up... two guys with Swarms > 3 MLT tanks. Now lets take the same example but with Proto Swarms for both of us in ADV Minmatar Commando suits with Complex dmg mods (or any other PROPER fit) and you can take down those Proto tanks too.
Join the A/V UNITED channel, squad up and show us all how easy it is. I've got Prof 2 Swarms on a Min Commando and even with two other swarmers I don't see tanks blowing up. I have to use a FG or have another tank to do most of the damage for swarms to finish a tank.
Instead of replying "get good" show me how you do it. I will be waiting. If you aren't willing then I hope you understand I remain skeptical.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:49:00 -
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RayRay James wrote:Mortishai Belmont wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Missile tanks will kill it. Rail tanks will kill it. More than a single forge gun or swarm launcher will, in fact, kill it.
I know you feel entitled to be able to kill everything with whatever your current fitting is, by yourself, with no help. You are however, not.
proto forge gun, complex mods. Assault, breach, regular variants. I have emptied full clips into those tanks and not killed them, ever shot in rapid succession. You do play this game right? I'm assuming you've never used the forge gun or you have never actually ran into a proto repping tank. I don't think a tank should just set there and take every round of what's made specifically for killing it. AV grenades are even more pointless. I have proto forges and a trip-rep maddie. I can tell you, from experience, I'm not invulnerable. There are plenty of ways to kill a trip-rep maddie, just gotta use your noodle.
I will tell you what I have told others, join the A/V UNITED channel and show us how easy it is. Seriously. I have asked about 15 forum warriors to demonstrate their prowess and not one has done so. Prove us wrong. I kill tanks, no one is saying it can't be done, but the effort and resources required are completely out of proportion with what killing one other player should require.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 19:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
"AV" is an emergency role that happens when a lack of tankers are present, or when your tanks have been suppressed into the red line. It is not meant to be as good as another tank.
Do you have a quote from a developer saying that? If not, then that statement is about as credible as me stating that tankers are emergency roles that aren't supposed to be as good as another AVer. Oh wait, a DEV just stated that this current V/AV is imbalanced; effectively turning what you said into the ramblings of a drunkard. It's an assumption based on the fact that any other design is ridiculous and renders vehicles pointless. If it is not superior, it is equal or inferior. If it is equal and has superior cost and summoning issues over that of a dropsuit, it is worthless. If a single AV can take out tanks, then in PC I wouldn't see any need to field tankers ever. They would provide no tactical benefit.
You do realize you made rhe exact argument about IAV. If we can't kill tanks better than tanks what tactical purpose does it serve? More importantly why does one player get to have this huge advantage over one class of player and complete invulnerability to another without giving up the ability to kill everyone else?
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:00:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Because logic has to be counter-balanced by stupidity?
Nah, because not a single person on these forums, or in-game has been able to provide a logical reason as to why the current V/AV situation is imbalanced. You included. It's not imbalanced. Tanks > infantry. That's how it should be. Where exactly have I been unclear in this? Are you becoming confused, perchance?
No you have been very clear, you want a huge advatage over other players and have no reasoning to support why you should be given this advantage other than "I want to be a big tank".
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:54:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:[quote=Himiko Kuronaga][quote=Atiim][quote=Himiko Kuronaga]
Because logic has to be counter-balanced
It's not imbalanced. Tanks > infantry. That's how it should be.
Where exactly have I been unclear in this?
Are you becoming confused, perchance? No you have been very clear, you want a huge advatage over other players and have no reasoning to support why you should be given this advantage other than "I want to be a big tank".
This is the same pointless thread over and over. I will repeat MYSELF in saying:
The only tankers that can beat a skilled infantry AV'er in 1 vs 1 are actually skilled tankers. If you have reasonable skills in AV then you can be average or below average tankers. It is definitely balanced. If a very skilled tanker with triple rep maddy can't be killed by a single infantry then that is perfectly balanced. It should take two reasonable to very skilled infantry AV'ers to take out that VERY skilled tanker.
Nothing Certain wrote:
There is a contradiction in what you wrote above first you stated "Tanks>AV. That's how it should be" then you wrote that tanks and AV should be equal. Which is it?
We agree that balance implies that an IAV player and a tanker with equal ISK expenditure, SP, and skill should have equal chances of killing each other. We disagree that this is the current situation in the game. Having had this discussion many times I can tell you that most tankers don't share this view and believe tanks should be much more powerful than 1 IAV player and that tanks should not be soloed.
Thanks for explaining your tactics but they are not anything every AV player us well aware of. Take me up on my offer and join the channel. I believe you can kill tanks, so lets do it rather than arguing about whether we have balance or not.
Because, that's why.
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Nothing Certain
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Posted - 2014.05.09 23:01:00 -
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Eko Sol wrote:Nothing Certain wrote:
Thanks for explaining your tactics but they are not anything every AV player us well aware of. Take me up on my offer and join the channel. I believe you can kill tanks, so lets do it rather than arguing about whether we have balance or not.
Lol I'm in the A/V United channel now. Msg me next time you see me on. I live in Hawaii so my times are a little off for playing comparison to other people due to the timezones. I'll be on tonight well before downtime.
Cool, thanks for showing up. Hopefully more will. I'll be on tonight 9 CST. I'll contact you tonight and look for you tomorrow if you are not on.u
Because, that's why.
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