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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 12:59:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Missile tanks will kill it. Rail tanks will kill it. More than a single forge gun or swarm launcher will, in fact, kill it.
I know you feel entitled to be able to kill everything with whatever your current fitting is, by yourself, with no help. You are however, not.
Considering how AVers give up a primary to do so, while also having to spend similar amounts of SP as other roles (including the Tanker role); yes we are indeed entitled.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:09:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Atiim wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Missile tanks will kill it. Rail tanks will kill it. More than a single forge gun or swarm launcher will, in fact, kill it.
I know you feel entitled to be able to kill everything with whatever your current fitting is, by yourself, with no help. You are however, not.
Considering how AVers give up a primary to do so, while also having to spend similar amounts of SP as other roles (including the Tanker role); yes we are indeed entitled. No, you're not. You're a peasant attempting to fight a knight in full armor with a pitchfork. Stick to the fields. You have no right whatsoever to intrude on a tank fight as a pathetic infantryman and expect equal treatment.
You resorting to trolling must mean that you cannot refute logically, and that I have won.
GG was EZ. 
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:58:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:I also want to add that we're not happy with the current balance between infantry AV and tanks, so that's one of the things we have on our list to look at for DUST 514.
You have officially replaced CCP Saberwing for favorite developer.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:01:00 -
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Mortishai Belmont wrote:
You do, you get so upset and hostile for no apparent reason, then you get offencive with a great superiority complex.
And I mean EVERY one of you kids. You can't have a debate or discussion, or even utter a sentence without douchey comments thrown in.
The scenario of which I'm referring to was happening in an ambush, a small map in particular. There were two repping tanks and you couldn't call any other tank in to defend against them because they smote them upon calling them in at any given location.
The Hoards of AV being fired at them had no avail, and the only course of action for me being a heavy was to pull out a forge gun and join the pointless assault against them.
So yeah, I'm gonna complain about it, why? Because I want to and I can.
Edit: And I know I'm not the first person to say you guys all act like spoiled brats, so I'm not the one that isn't accustomed to receiving the truth c:
We aren't all like that. 
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:15:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
"AV" is an emergency role that happens when a lack of tankers are present, or when your tanks have been suppressed into the red line. It is not meant to be as good as another tank.
Do you have a quote from a developer saying that? If not, then that statement is about as credible as me stating that tankers are emergency roles that aren't supposed to be as good as another AVer.
Oh wait, a DEV just stated that this current V/AV is imbalanced; effectively turning what you said into the ramblings of a drunkard.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:26:00 -
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BDiD wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:I also want to add that we're not happy with the current balance between infantry AV and tanks, so that's one of the things we have on our list to look at for DUST 514. Sounds good. Better be followed by another vehicle respec. Next time, do real tests. Not computer generated code and ai players. Why don't you have a bunch of ppl play the bug fixes that get implemented? Seems like it would help.
Nope.
Rebalance does not constitute Respec.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:35:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
It's an assumption based on the fact that any other design is ridiculous and renders vehicles pointless. If it is not superior, it is equal or inferior. If it is equal and has superior cost and summoning issues over that of a dropsuit, it is worthless.
If a single AV can take out tanks, then in PC I wouldn't see any need to field tankers ever. They would provide no tactical benefit.
The HAV will always be superior due to the fact that it can only be taken out by 1 class of weaponry, while the AVer can be killed by every weapon other than Swarm Launchers & AV Grenades (which ironically, is himself).
How about the ability to have infinite spawns on demand, while also functioning as a slayer at the same time? Did I forget to mention Active Scans with long durations of time? How about over 10x the eHP of said dropsuit? Immunity to all but 6 weapons in the game? Those definitely aren't tactical benefits
The ironic part of this, is that there is no tactical benefit that AVers provide in PC, and there is no need to field them over HAVs; which by your "logic" constitutes its buff in the first place.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:36:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
^logic is OP.
Indeed it is.
Why do you think they're adjusting V/AV balance?
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:39:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Because logic has to be counter-balanced by stupidity?
Nah, because not a single person on these forums, or in-game has been able to provide a logical reason as to why the current V/AV situation is imbalanced.
You included.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:28:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
It's not imbalanced. Tanks > infantry. That's how it should be.
Where exactly have I been unclear in this?
Are you becoming confused, perchance?
You can state what you desire, and be clear as glass. However, that won't change the fact that your statement/assertion is false. Repeating it over and over again will not change said fact either.
Also, CCP has already stated otherwise; so why do you still attempt to sell your argument as if it was designed to be that way?
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:42:00 -
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M1A1 Blaster Master wrote:My triple rep maddy has an Ion cannon and it will lose to organized AV, rail tanks that sneak me, scouts with remote charges on my engine plate and missile tanks. The triple rep maddy is not an iWin button. It's akin to a shotgun scout, get in blow **** up and get out. If it sticks around too long it will die. People that are mad about it really have no right to blame their enemy for their own incompetence.
What HAV doesn't die to Rail Tanks? That's like saying 1.6 Swarm Launchers weren't a win button because they could be killed by a Logi with a Duvolle AR.
If you are killed by Remote Explosives, you are mentally challenged:
Atiim wrote:- Arming Time of REs: 1s
- Grenade Cook Time: 3.31s
- Time it would take to do this: 6.31s
- Average Human Reaction Time: .215s
Basically, the tankers you were fighting were 29.34x slower than the average human. Did you make this thread to make fun of mentally challenged players? Because If so, I'd be forced to report you.
So basically that leaves 1-2 actual counters, which are both subsets of itself. Do I need to remind everyone that a counter being a subset to itself does not count as an actual counter?
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.09 21:43:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Teamwork is what the game is about and teamwork wins out.
Unless you use a tank.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:13:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Thats a complete and utter joke. I don't give a **** about the low end of balance, the high end is the only part that matters. We don't play competitively with crappy characters and crappy gear. They shouldn't even fit into the balance equation.
If you truly cared about the high end balance, you'd still be campaigning for the re-balance simply because the Swarm Launcher is not viable in competitive game-modes. I believe it would be most accurate to say that you only care about the high end balance and how beneficial it is to vehicles.
Not that your opinion actually means anything, as CCP has already passed their judgement on the matter. A passive tanking option being stronger than active tanking is not balanced, nor is AVers not beiing able to reliably solo vehicles while still giving up a primary balanced. - As confirmed by CCP.
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:
Even vehicles in Battlefield can take more punishment than the time it takes to empty a swarm launcher. Those things are basically steel coffins and you want to make these things even weaker?
Not really sure how that's ridiculous.
Under Lynn's model, it would take a total of 17.85s (not including SL travel time) to destroy a maxed out vehicle. Allow me to place that into perspective.
A Madrugar, has a base movement speed of 22.5 m/s. In the time it would take to destroy said HAV, it could be 401.6m away from the offending AVer (which is 2.2x a SL's locking range. Meaning that smart piloting and evasive action would allow the HAV pilot to surive, with a very generous expectation.
In your next reply, please post something other than elitist dribble.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.09 22:14:00 -
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LtGen Shanks wrote:What the hell have you all done to my thread?!
I made this to show my appreciation for the people who were deploying and letting blueberries use their triple rep maddys. Go argue in another thread, and leave mine alone.
My condolences for your loss.
However, the creation of this thread has finally ended our harsh winter, and should be looked upon as a historical monument. I shall send you ISK for your troubles.
'Good day sir.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.10 02:52:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:
That's irrelevant as most sidearms are comparable in DPS to many light weapons.
Really?
- Ishukone Assault SMG vs Ishukone Assault Rail Rifle - Who Wins?
- Kaalakiota Masgec SMG vs Kaalakiota Rail Rifle - Who Wins?
- Vizam Scrambler Pistol vs. Vizam Scrambler Rifle - Who Wins?
- Core Breach Flaylock Pistol vs. Core Breach Mass Driver - Who Wins?
- Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle vs. Carthum Assault Scrambler Rifle - Who Wins?
Assuming equal player skill, I know where my money is.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.10 14:36:00 -
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LtGen Shanks wrote:Since this thread is getting a decent amount of attention, would anyone like to donate some isk to me.
I'll be on in about an hour.
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Atiim
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:00:00 -
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M1A1 Blaster Master wrote:
Give me some ISK as well, I could use it.
No.
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