DUST Search - Please do not give Legion a Local intel chat tool.

Maken Tosch wrote:

Cymek Omnius wrote:

Maken Tosch wrote:

Cymek Omnius wrote:

Anything new on this subject?

Probably not at the moment. I'm still of the opinion that local chat in Legion should be delayed chat or just regular chat like Eve since it won't affect the local Legionaries who have to scout through multiple planets in one system and each planet has multiple districts. This is completely different than how it affects Eve players.

Free intel on knowing who is in a system is not a good thing ever in my opinion.

Free intel is useless if you don't know where the player is at in that system and you're unable to find him. I would understand what you mean if this was Eve since there are already tools in place to find a player, but this is not Eve. This is Legion.

But even if local chat was set to delayed mode where you don't show up at all unless you say anything at all in local, it will only be a slight inconvenience to the scouts if CCP ever goes ahead and allow Legionaries to gain access to Locator Agents.

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Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 60	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:42:00 - [1] - Quote Local chat is such a crutch in Eve in my opinion and I am hoping not to see it in Legion. If you want a Local chat as just a chat tool fine but no free pass to know who is there please.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 13093	Posted - 2014.05.08 22:44:00 - [2] - Quote ... This could be completely, utterly irrelevant to DUST though. I know the key to Logibro's heart Devposting in legion discussion is 10/10
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 775	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:01:00 - [3] - Quote Why would I waste my time looking for someone to gank if I don't even know they're there. .. Enjoys EVE, Still plays DUST, will play LEGION. stfu already.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 630	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:03:00 - [4] - Quote Cymek Omnius wrote: Local chat is such a crutch in Eve in my opinion and I am hoping not to see it in Legion. If you want a Local chat as just a chat tool fine but no free pass to know who is there please. Nice try. You just want to carebear it up and shoot rocks on the ground. I'll burn your mining tank first. PCMasterRace
Xaviah Reaper Nyain San Dirt Nap Squad. 452	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:28:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ... This could be completely, utterly irrelevant to DUST though. not if legion took the freeroam / planetside2 approach where we travel to different districts or planetary sectors. Me IRL :)
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8443	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:41:00 - [6] - Quote I say make it so that you won't appear on local chat unless you post something on the channel. Delayed chat mode basically. But then again, why not make it like Eve high-sec local chat? If you're in the system and there are 5 planets and each planet has like 4-5 districts, I doubt it would matter if you can see someone in local. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 428	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:42:00 - [7] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I say make it so that you won't appear on local chat unless you post something on the channel. Delayed chat mode basically. Isn't that how it already works?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8443	Posted - 2014.05.08 23:43:00 - [8] - Quote Gaelon Thrace wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I say make it so that you won't appear on local chat unless you post something on the channel. Delayed chat mode basically. Isn't that how it already works? For private and corp channels currently if I recall correctly for Dust. But again, this is Legion we're talking here. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.09 15:43:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ... This could be completely, utterly irrelevant to DUST though. It could be but there is talk of world MMO type game so it might be relevant too.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.09 15:45:00 - [10] - Quote Gaelon Thrace wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I say make it so that you won't appear on local chat unless you post something on the channel. Delayed chat mode basically. Isn't that how it already works? That is wormhole space in Eve. Every other instance in Eve has an intel channel so as soon as your enter it you know how many and who is there. There is no challenge at all in scouting.

ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 600	Posted - 2014.05.09 15:48:00 - [11] - Quote Just to say a few things on this subject as I do support text chat - mainly because I want to help people co-ordinate, help noobs possibly or even call out priority targets. (A commander mode would be even better). Lets be clear, not everyone will be in the same corp or on comms. I do not want this 'chat' to become an intel tool like local is in EVE. The problem is the scoreboard will always show what's going on anyway right? (forget the ps3 button but its the tab button on keyboard usually) I think this kind of thing is where we can help influence the design going forward and I am glad people are posting their opinions even if I dont agree. The community is all of us, not just whoever has the most threads or likes. Just to add - I am still a little confused how the sandbox part will work. Will each location / planet be an instance that players join into (like systems are in EVE?)
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 63	Posted - 2014.05.09 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Just to say a few things on this subject as I do support text chat - mainly because I want to help people co-ordinate, help noobs possibly or even call out priority targets. (A commander mode would be even better). Lets be clear, not everyone will be in the same corp or on comms. I do not want this 'chat' to become an intel tool like local is in EVE. The problem is the scoreboard will always show what's going on anyway right? (forget the ps3 button but its the tab button on keyboard usually) I think this kind of thing is where we can help influence the design going forward and I am glad people are posting their opinions even if I dont agree. The community is all of us, not just whoever has the most threads or likes. Just to add - I am still a little confused how the sandbox part will work. Will each location / planet be an instance that players join into (like systems are in EVE?) Yeah I thought about the scoreboard too. I wish that was only at the end of the match. That is prolly good for another post hehe.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8456	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:47:00 - [13] - Quote ANON Cerberus wrote: Just to add - I am still a little confused how the sandbox part will work. Will each location / planet be an instance that players join into (like systems are in EVE?) Would seem likely. But it will likely be a very open-type instance in which anything you do in one instance will invariably affect nearby instances. For example, if you attack a key material harvesting facility in one district (instance), it will mean less materials available for the nearby instances to work with. Think of Jita and Perimeter being affected by the market that's going on in the Jita system. Instances that are exceedingly far away from each other can also affect each other. Think of how the Jita and Amarr star systems (one in The Forge region and other in the Domain region respectively) affect each other via the market and that certain systems along the trade route such as Niarja and Uedama are used by high-sec suicide gankers to catch unsuspecting haulers with phat lewts by surprise. Balle is another common gank system when it comes to catching high-sec haulers that are on their way to Dodixie. I was in a gank group one time where I was in a cloaked blockade runner while two other players in a Tornado and a scout ship. We spotted a hauler one jump out coming in with over 800 million ISK worth of Datacores. The Tornado got into position, ganked the hauler upon jumping in, her Tornado got Concorded but the target's loot dropped after getting alphed by the nado while I came in with my blockade runner and then snatched the loot then warped to station immediately. Text-book gank was successful. Unfortunately, since the loot drop is chance based, only 220 million of the 800 million ISK worth of datacores dropped in the loot but we still earned enough to pay for the Tornado with more then enough left over to give everyone 55 million ISK each as part of their share. Oh I'm sorry. I got caught up in the moment. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
137H4RGIC SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 208	Posted - 2014.05.09 17:56:00 - [14] - Quote I want Minecraft Legion. I want to dig an underground base EVE players? Good at Dust?! Let the indiscriminate slaughter of PC huggers begin >:)
Stupid Blueberry Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 482	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:02:00 - [15] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ... This could be completely, utterly irrelevant to DUST though. Note that you are in the Legion section of the forums. Chillin, waitin on Legion. Ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2192	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:14:00 - [16] - Quote In the open world portion of Dust, seeing merc names in the local system channel could be entirely useless from an intelligence perspective. On a sense of scale it could be the same as knowing that an eve pilot is somewhere in a constellation, it just wouldn't help you.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 1969	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:43:00 - [17] - Quote I can agree that local should be delayed though I also am of the opinion that there should be a District upgrade that allows for Local to serve as an "intel tool" Arzadu Akbar Motherfuckers!!!! Closed Beta Bittervet Bomber
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.05.09 18:46:00 - [18] - Quote Kristoff Atruin wrote: In the open world portion of Dust, seeing merc names in the local system channel could be entirely useless from an intelligence perspective. On a sense of scale it could be the same as knowing that an eve pilot is somewhere in a constellation, it just wouldn't help you. It depends on how big the maps are for a planet.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:08:00 - [19] - Quote Anything new on this subject?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8812	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote Cymek Omnius wrote: Anything new on this subject? Probably not at the moment. I'm still of the opinion that local chat in Legion should be delayed chat or just regular chat like Eve since it won't affect the local Legionaries who have to scout through multiple planets in one system and each planet has multiple districts. This is completely different than how it affects Eve players. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.

Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.06.26 20:45:00 - [21] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Cymek Omnius wrote: Anything new on this subject? Probably not at the moment. I'm still of the opinion that local chat in Legion should be delayed chat or just regular chat like Eve since it won't affect the local Legionaries who have to scout through multiple planets in one system and each planet has multiple districts. This is completely different than how it affects Eve players. Free intel on knowing who is in a system is not a good thing ever in my opinion.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11238	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:48:00 - [22] - Quote Meh I said that at some point but looking for fights would be so much harder...... since aids in getting fights I don't really care. Plus I like chatting with Capsuleers in Myyhera none of them expect to see us in there. " Those men died loving duty more than they feared death..... they died well." -Templar Ouryon after Iesa III
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8812	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:49:00 - [23] - Quote Cymek Omnius wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Cymek Omnius wrote: Anything new on this subject? Probably not at the moment. I'm still of the opinion that local chat in Legion should be delayed chat or just regular chat like Eve since it won't affect the local Legionaries who have to scout through multiple planets in one system and each planet has multiple districts. This is completely different than how it affects Eve players. Free intel on knowing who is in a system is not a good thing ever in my opinion. Free intel is useless if you don't know where the player is at in that system and you're unable to find him. I would understand what you mean if this was Eve since there are already tools in place to find a player, but this is not Eve. This is Legion. But even if local chat was set to delayed mode where you don't show up at all unless you say anything at all in local, it will only be a slight inconvenience to the scouts if CCP ever goes ahead and allow Legionaries to gain access to Locator Agents. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2014.06.27 20:34:00 - [24] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Cymek Omnius wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: Cymek Omnius wrote: Anything new on this subject? Probably not at the moment. I'm still of the opinion that local chat in Legion should be delayed chat or just regular chat like Eve since it won't affect the local Legionaries who have to scout through multiple planets in one system and each planet has multiple districts. This is completely different than how it affects Eve players. Free intel on knowing who is in a system is not a good thing ever in my opinion. Free intel is useless if you don't know where the player is at in that system and you're unable to find him. I would understand what you mean if this was Eve since there are already tools in place to find a player, but this is not Eve. This is Legion. But even if local chat was set to delayed mode where you don't show up at all unless you say anything at all in local, it will only be a slight inconvenience to the scouts if CCP ever goes ahead and allow Legionaries to gain access to Locator Agents. I appreciate everyone opinions here. It might be easier than you think if districts are owned by Corporations as far as not being able to find them might. There are so many things we do not know yet about Legion yet and this is on my mind because it is one thing I do not like about Eve. It might all be for nothing. Guess time will tell.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3719	Posted - 2014.06.28 12:58:00 - [25] - Quote As a lowly miner that's still skilling for a hurricane ship, I can confirm that miners are harvesting more than pirates can gangk. In my region in eve, Tritanium was at 4.65 isk per unit on the market. Within just a month it has gone up to 6.90 and that was 5 days ago. We are ruining the economy in that region for our own gain and we don't give a fk. The ratings are going up for all resources in my region and this is happening slowly everywhere. I can safely speculate with rather large differences between each bet and know that I will get paid. When I get enough isk, other than combat I'll be setup in stations with a collection of evil bastards across regions literally farming the market and making it worse until I have so much isk that I can spam whatever I want for a good long time. Rinse and repeat. And that's just little old me. Local is essential for Intel and trolling with a pinch of decent discussion. I will spam your face with aurum proto.


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