DUST Search - Legion is scary; answers are needed

Joseph Ridgeson wrote:

I worded the question in a crap manner now that I am reading it more closely; I only have one contact in, so there's my excuse. But with Legion's skill tree, are the number of SP we get going to be comparable? The concern I can see CCP, has a game company has, it "That guy with 34 million SP will unlock about five times as much in Legion than he could in DUST." That makes perfect sense and I am sure that is the biggest concern. However, "I have 34 million SP because I put money into boosters. If I don't have that amount, my 'investment' is lessened."

I don't see these two things being compatible unless Legion is really going to be "everyone can do everything." Is there any statement on this or is it still too early to tell? I can understand if it is because Project Legion is probably just a demo and an idea at the moment but it is still a question I gotta ask.

Thanks both to you and Saberwing for humoring this here neckbearded fat basement dweller repeatedly. ^_^

Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.


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Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3148	Posted - 2014.05.08 15:56:00 - [1] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: 1. Every Dropsuit in Legion is a BPO. The rationale is "not being able to run your best dropsuit that you earned is stupid; you should always run it, be proud you earned it without worrying about the cost." Okay but what about my Raven, Sever, Dragonfly, and Drensuits? They are special and were "worth $120" because they never run out. Now they are not special in that aspect of never running out. What happens to them? As much as I love the look of the bad ass white camo on the Raven, it wasn't worth a 10 dollar skin. Answer: Still too early to tell. For me every suit in DUST 514 was a BPO. I could not afford to run anything else. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3149	Posted - 2014.05.08 16:20:00 - [2] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: I worded the question in a crap manner now that I am reading it more closely; I only have one contact in, so there's my excuse. But with Legion's skill tree, are the number of SP we get going to be comparable? The concern I can see CCP, has a game company has, it "That guy with 34 million SP will unlock about five times as much in Legion than he could in DUST." That makes perfect sense and I am sure that is the biggest concern. However, "I have 34 million SP because I put money into boosters. If I don't have that amount, my 'investment' is lessened." I don't see these two things being compatible unless Legion is really going to be "everyone can do everything." Is there any statement on this or is it still too early to tell? I can understand if it is because Project Legion is probably just a demo and an idea at the moment but it is still a question I gotta ask. Thanks both to you and Saberwing for humoring this here neckbearded fat basement dweller repeatedly. ^_^ The best way to do it would be to divide your DUST 514 skill points by the passive skill point accrual rate to determine how long it would take to get that many skill points in DUST 514 through passive skill point accrual alone. Then multiply that number by the passive skill point accrual rate in Legion. That would give you a completely proportional transfer of skill points from one game to the other. It does not matter that you earned skill points actively, or with boosters. Using the passive accrual rate gives a proportional time value. Your active play, or boosters, was simply a way of speeding up time so to speak, so that a very active player with boosters may have already accumulated the equivalent of 3 years of passive skill point accrual. Converting that back to passive accrual time gives you a consistent measure. As long as they still have passive skill point accrual in Legion, this equation will work, even if they change the proportional value of a skill point considerably. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3149	Posted - 2014.05.08 16:30:00 - [3] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: What will happen to skills that are removed for now? For example Commando suits. Would these SP just become void? I mean as I got that you won't include every Dust skill in Legion. It will by your total skill points earned that will be transferred (proportionally). It will not matter what you were skilled into in DUST. It will be like a full respec. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3150	Posted - 2014.05.08 16:39:00 - [4] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: IgniteableAura wrote: What about assets like BPOs that people spent RL money to attain? That's question 1. Current it is still "too early to tell." The easiest, move obvious thing, is just let them be skins. However, I didn't buy the Dren pack at 100 bucks for a bunch of skins. Bunch of questions, few answers at the moment. By the time you transfer to Legion you will have gotten 2 or 3 years of use out of those BPOGÇÖs. IsnGÇÖt that long enough to be worth the money? If there is a reasonable way to transfer the BPOGÇÖs, they should be transferred, but I hope people donGÇÖt get to butt hurt if they canGÇÖt be, or they end up as only skins. We donGÇÖt want to restrict CCP in their design vision for the future by insisting that they make compromises to incorporate the mistakes of the past. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3151	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:07:00 - [5] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: The SP transfer I imagine would work as a percentage of possible progress. 1) Take the player's sp and divide it by the sp needed to max out every skill in the game. 2) Take Legion's progression system and multipy the above number by the maximum sp in Legion. 3) Award this number as unspent SP/progress/whatever. This method means that everyone's boosters are exactly as valuable as they were before because they put you ahead by the same percentage of total progress as they did before. This method seems like a no-brainer to me as it directly scales your current progress % to the new games progress system. My equation accounts for the value of boosters. Your equations depends on max skill points which is not a constant. Skills and Items are added to the game all the time. So the max skill points possible in the game changes all the time. What if they used your formula, and then added MCC piloting skills the next day? That would be major skill point deflation wouldn't it? Besides there is no maximum skill points you can earn in a CCP game. If you manage to learn all the skills in the game, then the developers are not doing their jobs. Skills are supposed to be constantly added so that you will always have more to train. The amount of skill points earned per minute or per hour or per day, is a constant in both games. Divide your total skill points by that constant in DUST, and then multiply the result by that constant in Legion, and you have a direct conversion so that the skill points you get in legion represent the same value as the time/effort/AUR that you put into earning those skill points in DUST. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3151	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:28:00 - [6] - Quote Villanor Aquarius wrote: The issues you point out don't seem that significant to me, if what people want is for their time investment to properly transfer over then taking my SP and finding the relative amount it is of maxing out everything and translating it into the same relative amount in Legion, then I am at the same point in Legion that I currently am. Now in Legion I very likely won't have the same skills or even roles that some of my SP are in now but I'll have the same amount of "progress" so basically my time spent in game will have been worth the same relative amount of time. Your system could result in transferring 2 years in DUST to 1 year worth or Legion progression, or to 4 years worth of Legion progression, depending on how many items they add to the game before the transfer. Using the total skill point requirements of the skill trees in both games will not give you anywhere near a proportional skill point transfer. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3151	Posted - 2014.05.08 17:32:00 - [7] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: Idea: What if they carried over the percentage? For example, (random numbers coming) let's say the max SP in Dust514 is 100 million, and you have earned 40 million. You are at 40% of the total progression. Now, let's say Legion has 50 million SP max. If you carried the percentage you would have 20 million SP - but you would be at the same point progression wise. Would you be okay with this? No. If they get more stuff added to Legion, that gives you a much large max value. Using this formula 2 years of progression in DUST could become 5 years of progression in Legion. How would that be fair to the new guys starting Legion, when they are playing against people who got a 3 year boost that they did not earn? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.