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Hansei Kaizen wrote:

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Just like in pro sports , players get paid a lot of money to perform but the one's that stand out are the one's that can look beyond all the glitz and glamor and use the love of and for what they do to perform above and beyond the mediocre and I apologize because I'm not trying to insult you or those who would love to " open the flood gates " but doing too much would kill the competition and make this game mediocre where some can argue but I believe , right now barring bugs and exploits ... it's truly not .

I think we have a little ambiguity with what is meant by "competition". I for one dont think that competition is a factor in the game as it is, and that is exactly why it IS mediocre. I must explain a bit more what I mean.

Ever heard of Boxing and Wrestling? There are "weight classes" in Sport, for exactly one reason and one reason only: Balancing. A guy who weighs 100 pounds has a chance against a guy wheighing 200 pounds in wrestling right? No, he has not (except by using forbidden techniques = cheating)! So yes there is competition in Dust as it is, but is it not FAIR competition. It is crappy one sided BS competition, and slight adjustments wont fix anything about it.

I frankly think the form of competition you advocate is misguided in terms of games or sports. It is just a means of defending an easy mode of instant gratification from the perspective of a big player in the painfully small pond. If you are a masochist, you may love the rouge-like character Dust has at the moment. But it isnt fair game, it isnt competetive. If we cant agree on that we will not agree on anything regarding Dust.

The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .


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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 735	Posted - 2014.05.08 07:08:00 - [1] - Quote TIMMY DAVIS wrote: Give every newbie a Million SP to dole out at the start or hoard. Double their SP achieved for the first million or two SP. Give them a 5% bonus damage on Light weapons for the first 1 or 2 million SP earned. Or 5% for the first million and then 3% for the 2nd million. Maybe also give them a 5% bonus on Shields or 10% Shield Regeneration bonus again until 1 or 2 million. They could double the SP until 20-25-30 levels are purchased. Going to 3 in Assault Rifle is 6 (1+2+3) levels in this scenario. Or give them 10 or 15 million ISK, so they can use their best gear virtually all the time. Or every week give them 1-2 million ISK. May the Haters and the Trolls at least try to be reasonable. Who am I kidding, they are by definition reactionary. So let me get this right , if someone doesn't agree with your suggestions ... then they are a hater ??? That's somewhat self-centered and narrow-minded and I'm not trying to offend you either . I made the same suggestion that you made about the million myself and I wont pull up the thread either because it was just recently on a thread that I forgot the topic on so ... but anyway the damage bonus and the giving of ISK is just too much in my book and the million SP's should be adequate and that's all . Next players would want a damage decrease taken for how ever many SP's that they begin with and other perks , when in this game everything is earned , this is a little too much and is akin to crutch and handholding , now I'm all for the NPE because I've been playing for seven months now and I like most around the time I started didn't have the chances that most of the vets who started out had when they received boatloads of SP's and refunds and I'm not complaining about that because the game was in a different state then it is now so , that is well understood but going threw 1.8 and just getting drop-suit refunds when there should have been a full infantry was wrong even more so when there was a full vehicle refund prior to the 1.8 drop and it wasn't too long because that was 1.7 so it was just some months in difference . This game is challenging I would admit that but that's what I love about it , not the lore or " New Eden " but the fact that like in Riddick , you get to " Keep what you kill " in terms of SP's and implementing skills to fashion one's character and build your role or role's that you might choose to play . That's the beauty of this game to me but at the same time , living in a world that is changing where people use to walk and jog or run and ride bikes but now they use Segway scooters and they hate to walk and would drive to the corner store , they don't call but rather text and use a remote because they get bothered when they have to get up to change the channel , hell most televisions now you can't change the channel unless you have a remote , basically what I'm saying is ... we are living in a world full of quick fixes and more and more people are loosing a work ethic , like the one the world had in the 40's to the 80's and before and it's prob because I'm old school , that I feel this way and have become sadden by the direction that the people in the world are turning to . I'm all for a NPE because I'm still smelling new myself but you can kill the substance in the game with making it too easy and you can argue about how hard and how long it takes to skill up but for me the challenge means everything and when you dummy the game down , it looses it's substance and becomes like all the others that are on the market , I mean hell ... I myself wouldn't play a game like that where I'm sure many will or would but that doesn't mean that they are right , I choose to play because of the challenge and without that there are many games with the same concept that are out with less problems then this one , so I might as well play those but they just do not give me the challenge that this one or the community that is a part of Dust 514 does . Moderation is good and when you try to do too much sometimes that changes the meaning of the substance that separates Dust from all others . Yes I know the game is on life support but unlocking skills and just giving away items so that all levels are free and the game play is open ( I know your not suggesting that but it's clear that newer players would have a great advantage and others have suggested about removing the barriers so I'm addressing all in this statement ) would ruin the game and kill the sprit of competition and that's why I believe that most play the game . Just like in pro sports , players get paid a lot of money to perform but the one's that stand out are the one's that can look beyond all the glitz and glamor and use the love of and for what they do to perform above and beyond the mediocre and I apologize because I'm not trying to insult you or those who would love to " open the flood gates " but doing too much would kill the competition and make this game mediocre where some can argue but I believe , right now barring bugs and exploits ... it's truly not . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 735	Posted - 2014.05.08 11:42:00 - [2] - Quote Hansei Kaizen wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Just like in pro sports , players get paid a lot of money to perform but the one's that stand out are the one's that can look beyond all the glitz and glamor and use the love of and for what they do to perform above and beyond the mediocre and I apologize because I'm not trying to insult you or those who would love to " open the flood gates " but doing too much would kill the competition and make this game mediocre where some can argue but I believe , right now barring bugs and exploits ... it's truly not . I think we have a little ambiguity with what is meant by "competition". I for one dont think that competition is a factor in the game as it is, and that is exactly why it IS mediocre. I must explain a bit more what I mean. Ever heard of Boxing and Wrestling? There are "weight classes" in Sport, for exactly one reason and one reason only: Balancing. A guy who weighs 100 pounds has a chance against a guy wheighing 200 pounds in wrestling right? No, he has not (except by using forbidden techniques = cheating)! So yes there is competition in Dust as it is, but is it not FAIR competition. It is crappy one sided BS competition, and slight adjustments wont fix anything about it. I frankly think the form of competition you advocate is misguided in terms of games or sports. It is just a means of defending an easy mode of instant gratification from the perspective of a big player in the painfully small pond. If you are a masochist, you may love the rouge-like character Dust has at the moment. But it isnt fair game, it isnt competetive. If we cant agree on that we will not agree on anything regarding Dust. I understand the concept of boxing and wrestling , seeing as how I have done both in the past and have taken martial sciences for some time as well so I understand and their have been mentioning of transfer of skills or SP's to legion where those who have never played Dust or legion wont have the liberty of having such a start and I've herd as well that there will be a lot of exploiting in legion as well and for the mediocre part , then why are you here if it is so unbalanced and you are displeased with the mechanics ??? I just don't understand you people who find any and everything to complain about this game and yet , you still play and are still here . I find it more fair because it has rules , a system of measuring and standards , a system of and for growth and it does get better with the more effort that you put in and that's said about anything in life and also life . Opportunity meets life and gives birth to circumstances that can be for or against you . Just because there are weight classes in sports doesn't mean that someone who is lesser can not best someone who is greater and if you boxed or wrestled then you would know this and would be more than willing to except the challenge , it seems like you are in favor of hand holding , where I am not because this world will not hold your hand and will kick your @$$ all over the place if your just that weak minded to allow it . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 735	Posted - 2014.05.08 11:49:00 - [3] - Quote Before anyone flips out and chain post me , I am not against the transfer of anything from Dust to legion , like I said ... you should be able to keep what you kill . I don't care anyway seeing as how I don't PC and wont purchase one just to play legion . I have a PS4 and that's enough . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 735	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:04:00 - [4] - Quote Glyd Path wrote: Why bother? CCP has never shown any mercy to the new player in any game. Why would they start now? To do so now, at the end of dust, it just doesn't compute. Their motto is not about fluffy kittens and puppies. Its about telling their victims not to qq and thanks for the cash. Any newbies are to be pitied. That's how it was when I started and I'm still here and is a part of what I love about this game . Anything less could and can be found in hundreds of other titles so I suggest that people who are not satisfied with how it's done here , to weigh their options because they do have them . Some people still like a challenge and expect that same challenge to bring out the best in the same person , I know that's how I was raised and how I live my life and I try to instil the same in my children . When your complacent I've found that leads to some bad decision making and soon that same person might be in a situation that they just feel like they can not get out of and at the same time that complacency makes one oblivious to changing those circumstances and they will wonder , " How'd I get here ??? " .... it deadens the mind . Edit : I'm not in favor or robbing anyone either . The honor of the vets who biomassed will never be forgotten and will always be upheld until the very end .