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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.05.07 02:33:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I really don't see why they would need to completely tear up and redo the progression system we have right now, to be honest.
Again, the EVE team talked in their NPE presentation about better teaching players how to handle complexity, while the Dust team is approaching the problem as "complexity isn't sexy!" and trying to dumb down the game.
The progression system in Dust is flawed at best.
Too many SP sinks, some weapons didn't have optimization skills (nova knives for example... the only example), some skill levels were useless (no point in training lvl 4-5 in certain skill books), etc.
Then there was the academy that wasn't really an academy and didn't show players how to properly progress in the game and were instead fed to the sharks.![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png)
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.05.07 03:58:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Then they can give us the holy grail some day: PvPvE
Eve Online's mission running system is pretty much PvPvE.![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png) ![Pirate](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_pirate.png)
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http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2014.05.07 06:52:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:The only way people are going to be allowed to retain their SP or an equivalency is if there are tiers according to SP metrics.
I know some of you still carry the abused/abuser mentality of "well it happened to me so now its my turn to do it to others". But, thats not how you achieve growth in a game. New players have to be given the time, space and tools to build themselves up to a level where they can give the vets a fight.
Legion is being made to be a better game. That means there wont be vets with 40 million SP playing against new player with under 1 million.
As much as some people think its their right to wield 50 million SP against a new player, I just don't see that happening as a long term viable plan.
Actually, I would be ok with 1 million SP players being pitted against 50 million SP players ONLY IF they have the option to do so. If they don't want to, then they can stay within their respective areas until they feel ready. Alternatively they should be given the option to enter tiered matches so that they can learn how to fight against those of their own caliber.
Eve Online has something similar to that where new players are born in starter systems that have heavy restrictions against veteran players. For example, a veteran player can enter these systems but they are prohibited from scamming new players within the system, ganking new players within the system, etc. However, as soon as the new player leaves the starter system, that veteran player is free to do as pleases to him. Starter systems in Eve are pretty much sanctuaries. The downside with these sanctuaries however is that they are not profitable and they don't have much room for veteran players. So once a new player's need has exceeded what the starter system can offer, that player is then encouraged to enter the rest of New Eden and face the sharks. They can still stay in the starter systems if they like, but the starter system only limits their capacity to grow.
http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
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