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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:

As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.)

Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now.

Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim.

I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post.

My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research.

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Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 122	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:46:00 - [1] - Quote As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.) Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now. Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim. I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post. My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Operative 1125 Lokaas True Companion Planetary Requisitions 91	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:54:00 - [2] - Quote Preach it brutha! I was saying this whole past year as well as the past week (props on the battered spouse ref). I really hoped they wouldn't do this again but, oh well. What can I say. NOT a publicly traded company. "We watch what they (players) do, not what they say" -Hilmar
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.05.06 14:58:00 - [3] - Quote "Oh, well, guys, since they've been screwing us in EvE for years, why are you guys crying? Come on, it's CCP! Give em a chance!" ........ This isn't some 6 month old project. This game has been up and running nearly 3 years now. It's not that no one expected CCP to ** us - we all did. What we didn't expect was to be COMPLETELY ****. Big difference between what just happen to us compared to what's happen to EvE - EvE was never told there game is being ported to Droid and taken off PC.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:01:00 - [4] - Quote Well, to their credit they do things other companies dont do. One thing is certain, you wont get bored. Enraged, but not bored. They try, hit some, miss some. But I would not have the viking devs any other way. Hack and slash, until its the way you like.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 124	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Well, to their credit they do things other companies don't do. Please elaborate. For those who are new to CCP, it's useful for them to know the pros which might provide balance to the cons. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 117	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:06:00 - [6] - Quote lol ccp
steadyhand amarr TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 3037	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:10:00 - [7] - Quote Their Icelandic being straight talking is in their blood. HTFU is pretty much the mindset of any nord its why i love watching them try PR. They be like Jesus why you pansys getting all upset we just changed some numbers :-P "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 31	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:16:00 - [8] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.) Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now. Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim. I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post. My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research. I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:18:00 - [9] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Their Icelandic being straight talking is in their blood. HTFU is pretty much the mindset of any nord its why i love watching them try PR. They be like Jesus why you pansys getting all upset we just changed some numbers :-P Straight-forward does not explain placing "new game!" announcements in keynote for the game it will be replacing. Especially then having no news about the game the keynote is supposed to be on. Straight-forward might barely explain but does not justify "Don't pay attention to what {Eve:O players} say, pay attention to what they do." Straight-forward does not explain letting hybrids sit broken for several years. I'm all about HTFU, but not to the point where you lose compassion and understanding. HTFU is a fine thing to say to someone who's being entitled or overly-sensitive(which might vary according to culture...), but not someone just asking to be treated as a valued customer who had dedicated time and effort contributing to your still-developing game. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:18:00 - [10] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc Please elaborate how you arrived to that conclusion. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 32	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:26:00 - [11] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc Please elaborate how you arrived to that conclusion. Its from a quote i saw on the eve forums dont expect ccp to be better company its our job to be a better customer its sarky and i liked it
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 36	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:30:00 - [12] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc Please elaborate how you arrived to that conclusion. Its from a quote i saw on the eve forums dont expect ccp to be better company its our job to be a better customer its sarky and i liked it Dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Let's be good lil puppets for an abusive company."
Jake Diesel BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives 161	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:32:00 - [13] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.) Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now. Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim. I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post. My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research. You pretty much nailed it. Lol.
Namirial Kensai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 48	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:36:00 - [14] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: "Oh, well, guys, since they've been screwing us in EvE for years, why are you guys crying? Come on, it's CCP! Give em a chance!" ........ This isn't some 6 month old project. This game has been up and running nearly 3 years now. It's not that no one expected CCP to ** us - we all did. What we didn't expect was to be COMPLETELY **. Big difference between what just happen to us compared to what's happen to EvE - EvE was never told there game is being ported to Droid and taken off PC. Exactly, no matter what they **** in EVE, people's progress still mattered, theyw ere never royally screwed out of the entire game. Legion isnt a port of DUST, legion is DUST's REPALCEMENT, were losing everything, so CCP can create a lobby-shooter style FPS on the computer that "will have all the features we conned you into spending cash on DUST for" [paraphrased]
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 125	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:45:00 - [15] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc Please elaborate how you arrived to that conclusion. Its from a quote i saw on the eve forums dont expect ccp to be better company its our job to be a better customer its sarky and i liked it 1) Why shouldn't not CCP be a better company? Or why should we not expect CCP to be a better company? (Actually, "expect" could mean two different things here: Either expect as in predict or plan for, or expect as in feel it is deserved.) 2) How would we be better customers? Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5391	Posted - 2014.05.06 15:48:00 - [16] - Quote The problem isn't that we don't expect CCP to screw us over. The problem is that this is one of the rare low points even by CCP's standards. Many of us have been here for more than 2 years now. We've seen some of what CCP can do. And a lot of us came to DUST because of interest in EVE, so we've seen how CCP have handled that as well. Some of us were there, or at least watching from the sidelines, when Incarna happened. We watched the Jita Riots, or joined in. While EVE didn't get all they were promised, their game continued to thrive, and their rage left scars on New Eden. I wonder... will we leave any kind of mark when this is all over?
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 69	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:00:00 - [17] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Well, to their credit they do things other companies don't do. Please elaborate. For those who are new to CCP, it's useful for them to know the pros which might provide balance to the cons. They thread the dangerous way. Like, where you will find a game that let you be a criminal? In EVE, as long as its in game, you are allowed to be a **** and scam people, lie, create intrigues and disruption. CCP often show their works ahead of time, incomplete, and in a disastrous way (like Legion). But how many people complain about other companies not being that forthcoming, not sharing whats being done. Usually you only know about a thing when its ready. Walk in stations was a big blopper as well, though I think I would like the feature if it was actually useful, like to connect Dust and EVe avatars in the same ambience. Think about Valkirie, it was EVE(R), it wasnt even a thing, just a side project like Legion is. It got traction and good response. It could as well have bombed like WiS, sparkilng rage in EVE players for their resources going to another game. Think Dust, the game you love to hate, many EVE players were, and are, against it sucking money from EVE, still its a thing and found a public and a market. But to the CCP credit, they do come around, fix, adapt, elaborate, reiterate, in a continuous process.
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:12:00 - [18] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: I now understand i need to be a better customer and i will save for a pc Please elaborate how you arrived to that conclusion. Its from a quote i saw on the eve forums dont expect ccp to be better company its our job to be a better customer its sarky and i liked it 1) Why shouldn't not CCP be a better company? Or why should we not expect CCP to be a better company? (Actually, "expect" could mean two different things here: Either expect as in predict or plan for, or expect as in feel it is deserved.) 2) How would we be better customers? Its sarcasm
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14098	Posted - 2014.05.06 17:15:00 - [19] - Quote Yet EVE is still alive and well.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:14:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Yet EVE is still alive and well. Please note the purpose of this thread: To make new-comers aware. I am not saying CCP should burn to the ground, or rallying for a boycott of their games. Only providing information, especially historical information, which could be useful for some people in making their decisions. The decisions are theirs to make. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 127	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:29:00 - [21] - Quote Hin Raven wrote: It's sarcasm Poe's law. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
Hin Raven Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 35	Posted - 2014.05.06 18:35:00 - [22] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: Hin Raven wrote: It's sarcasm Poe's law. Yeah yeah
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 135	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote still seeing it, bumping. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
PR0FESSOR CHAOS Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:41:00 - [24] - Quote Seems like a winning business model to me. Come back when you see how there unique player count is sinking yet subs and are up. Hmm what does that mean, you've got a very loyal base that will muti sub and support them with as much as there disposable income allows but it's a false growth. Kudos, how's that work out when it's hits saturation? This pr dept doesn't need apologist that will give them money no matter what they do it needs a strong consumer base that will help shape the trust there brand needs to expand and survive. Being a sycophant is not going to help the thing you love. Good. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1836	Posted - 2014.05.07 14:43:00 - [25] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.) Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now. Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim. I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post. My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research. i started playing eve right before incarna (a week after they announced dust). this was not my experience. the burn jita situation came from people being mad about eve becoming a pay to win type of a game, and i couldn't figure out how a monocle was going to win any fights. in my experience ccp has been playing it pretty straight with the community, but i've only been around for just under 3 years. but this is the end of my ccp experience. i accomplished what i set out to accomplish. i'm a pvp god, and i owned molden heath. dust is dead, and so is eatsbabies cienfuegos. .o7 eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 78	Posted - 2014.05.08 11:59:00 - [26] - Quote PR0FESSOR CHAOS wrote: Seems like a winning business model to me. Come back when you see how there unique player count is sinking yet subs and are up. Hmm what does that mean, you've got a very loyal base that will muti sub and support them with as much as there disposable income allows but it's a false growth. Kudos, how's that work out when it's hits saturation? This pr dept doesn't need apologist that will give them money no matter what they do it needs a strong consumer base that will help shape the trust there brand needs to expand and survive. Being a sycophant is not going to help the thing you love. What is the source for your claims?
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1689	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:37:00 - [27] - Quote Ankbar Latrommi wrote: As I read all the many threads about the farce of a Dust keynote, I am detecting a common theme. Many of you seem to be feeling like "CCP, this was a horrible way to communicate this. All you needed to do was X. Please don't F_ up like that again!" I can only surmise that you have entered the New Eden universe via DUST514 and haven't really kept track of CCP in its past decade. (Why would you.) Others have said this in their own replies to the various threads, but I haven't detected any change in the common understanding, so I thought I'd make a thread just to point it out specifically. This is the way CCP does things. Ridiculously. Stupidly. Handling PR like they're in a competition to see how many customers they can p__s off. If you didn't come from Eve:Online you might not realize this, but CCP has been as intuitive as a turtle for over a decade now. Have you read anyone's comment who used stereotypical quotes of an abused spouse or such things? That's what this is like, but it isn't just from the past 2-3 years of Dust development. CCP has been like this for a decade. CCP is not a young company still trying to figure out how to read and communicate with their customer base. If experience is the ultimate teacher, they've spent more hours in class than virtually any other company thrice their age. The only answer is either the whole staff, past and present, are on the asperger scale somewhere or they simply don't care to try to get better. The odds of it being the former is pretty freaking slim. I welcome feedback, questions, etc, and for other Eve:Online vets to either support or challenge my post. My main hope in posting this is that for those of you who are new customers of CCP will not build future expectations expecting a normal company's reaction and development, only to be let down a number of times in the coming 2-5 years. I'm hoping to help spare you from that wasted investment, involvement, and dedication. Go forward if you like, I'm not saying not to, just know what you can realistically expect from CCP. Do the research. Star Citizen will sort them out and not in a good way. As far as long term involvement with CCP once the Fanfest Red Betrayal edition hit? Look at my sig. F U C K Legion. Planetside 2 , Destiny, Watchdogs, Division, Witcher, Order on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1689	Posted - 2014.05.08 12:45:00 - [28] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Their Icelandic being straight talking is in their blood. HTFU is pretty much the mindset of any nord its why i love watching them try PR. They be like Jesus why you pansys getting all upset we just changed some numbers :-P That was TELMEX before competing telephone Corporations entered Mexico. You wanted a new phone number? HTFU and wait for three to six months to get it. Now its call at nine am and by ten am the TELMEX truck crew is there ready to string phone lines. Same will happen to CCP once Star Citizen takes away all the EVE subs. F U C K Legion. Planetside 2 , Destiny, Watchdogs, Division, Witcher, Order on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance


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