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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:49:00 -
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low genius wrote:Akdhar Saif wrote:Too late guys. If it was still being discussed they would have shown some work on Dust 514 i.e. PVE or player economy. None of that got shown or was even talked about. Its pretty obvious this has already been greenlit. read the ccp interviews. legion is dependent upon how the community receives it. the dev blog has 17 likes in almost 4 days. it's not looking good. it's looking like the worst decision ccp has ever made.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2014/05/introducing-project-legion/ 390 facebook likes. And you're taking into account that everyone bothers to like a dev blog.
Chillin, waitin on Legion.
ishukone loyalist, Caldari Scout enthusiast!
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:49:00 -
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May 14, 2014
CCP Games today announced that they have cancelled the-áProject Legion-ámassively multiplayer online (MMO) game project in development in their Shenghai studio.-á -á As a result of the change, 56 employees of the Shenghai studio have lost their jobs. -áSome team members have been offered roles on other projects inside the company, and CCP has provided severance packages and job placement assistance for those affected. -á -á The remaining team in Shenghai will focus on games in the EVE Universe, which will mark the first time since 2006 that the entirety of CCP will be working on a single universe. -á CCP CEO Hilmar Veigar-áP+¬tursson: -á The decision to end the-áProject Legion-áMMO project is one of the hardest-áIGÇÖve ever had to make. I have always loved and valued the idea of a sandbox experience set in that universe, and over the years IGÇÖve watched the team passionately strive to make that possible. -á I would like to give special thanks to everyone who worked so hard to make the-áProject Legion-áMMO a reality, especially the team members affected by this decision.-á Their considerable contribution to CCP will not be forgotten, and we wish them well. -á To our current and former employees and fans of-áProject Legion, I am truly sorry that we could not deliver the experience that we aspired to make.-á We dreamed of a game that would transport you completely into the sweeping fantasy of-áProject Legion, but had to admit that our efforts were falling regretfully short.-á One day I hope we will make it up to you. -á Although this was a tough decision that affects our friends and family, uniting the company behind the EVE Universe will put us in a stronger position moving forward, and we are more committed than ever to solidify EVE as the biggest gaming universe in the world.
Typical CCP fanboy
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Donwalis
Carbon 7 Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:54:00 -
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Rahl Draak wrote:low genius wrote:let's make sure this game never grows into a real boy.
abort this By leaving console Dust just became a actual FPS. It's ok. You guys still have Spyro, Ratchet & Clank, etc. You know, console games.....for when your parents send you to your room.....such a bummer. sorry to burst your bubble but not all players of console game are kids. some of us happen to have real jobs. and no not micky d's but i do have enough to buy one. i will admit when i first heard of the switch to PC i screamed kicked and cried like a kid . lmao but i see the bigger picture now. and by the way never played those games my wife did . lol now the thinking behind originally putting dust on ps3 was to bring more into the fold and have something new to showcase what CCP can do . by switching to Pc they left behind what made CCP great. if they Do continue to keep dust514 on ps3 with updates and content. and get legion where it needs to be as a great fps on pc. they in the future could merge them and at the same time keep the separated ( meaning Dust514 = ground game FW ,PC and training) Legion big leagues titan boarding different type of Plantery conquest, provide security for exploring setting up outpost , front line fighting etc then yeah |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:56:00 -
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:low genius wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Because if you can't have it, no one else can. Grow up. because if they can't develop a game on a system that COUNTLESS other developers had no problem with... i'm not sure it's the operating system that's having the issue. It's a known fact that the PS3 has one of the worst architectures to develop on. You're just mad like everyone else was and has since calmed down.
It is difficult to master, that does not make it worse. Look at what the PS3 can do when used correctly. They designed the PS3 to be difficult but when mastered it is very powerful to be what it is.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:05:00 -
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Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant.
The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots and not all of them are going to play the game because they like EVE. Yeah it it will probably have a larger number of players than we do now but it won't break any records because pilots are not going to be able to mutil-box a FPS like they can EVE. They won't be able to have three pilots in space and be shooting on the ground and flying in Valk all at the same time. Tranquility pilot numbers are not the actual number of individuals who play because many, many players have at least two characters.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:06:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots
You're off by almost an entire factor of 10. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:09:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:low genius wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Because if you can't have it, no one else can. Grow up. because if they can't develop a game on a system that COUNTLESS other developers had no problem with... i'm not sure it's the operating system that's having the issue. It's a known fact that the PS3 has one of the worst architectures to develop on. You're just mad like everyone else was and has since calmed down. It is difficult to master, that does not make it worse. Look at what the PS3 can do when used correctly. They designed the PS3 to be difficult but when mastered it is very powerful to be what it is.
You do not design a product to be hard to use unless the purpose of using the product is to cause you hardship. PS3 MIGHT be hard to design on because it as needed to make it so powerful for its day, and that might give very experienced developers more to work with overall, but now that there's easier more powerful ways to get the same results the PS3 IS a bad system to build in even if a thin argument can be made about that not being the case at launch.
If SONY did make the platform that way on purpose without it being required then they need to check for gas leaks in their R&D department because those guys have brain damage.
If blood and sweat don't teach them perhaps time will
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Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad.
489
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:11:00 -
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Don't try to blame it on the PS3.
Have you guys ever played Skyrim or Far Cry 3?
Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1316
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:12:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots and not all of them are going to play the game because they like EVE. Yeah it it will probably have a larger number of players than we do now but it won't break any records because pilots are not going to be able to multi-box a FPS like they can EVE. They won't be able to have three pilots in space and be shooting on the ground and flying in Valk all at the same time. Tranquility pilot numbers are not the actual number of individuals who play because many, many players have at least two characters. There are over 500,000 current subscriptions in EVE Online. Assuming that everyone has three active accounts (which is a fairly large number; quite a few of the people I knew on EVE didn't even have two accounts), that's still 167,000 people.
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da GAND
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:13:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots and not all of them are going to play the game because they like EVE. Yeah it it will probably have a larger number of players than we do now but it won't break any records because pilots are not going to be able to multi-box a FPS like they can EVE. They won't be able to have three pilots in space and be shooting on the ground and flying in Valk all at the same time. Tranquility pilot numbers are not the actual number of individuals who play because many, many players have at least two characters.
It's not just gonna be the EVE players, it's gonna be anyone that has a PC that can handle plenty of things. You obviously haven't actually bothered to see how big the PC gaming community is.
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:13:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Don't try to blame it on the PS3.
Have you guys ever played Skyrim or Far Cry 3?
Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3.
Skyrim has exactly the same godawful memory problems that every Bethesda game has on the PS3.
Though that's not because the PS3 is underpowered, just the way it allocates resources in that unique circumstance.
uh, my point was, Skyrim is a bad example, not that you're wrong exactly |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1316
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:14:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Have you guys ever played Skyrim...
...Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim runs perfectly on the PS3? Not when I played it, it didn't.
They couldn't even release the DLC for the PS3 version for the longest time because of how poorly it ran.
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Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad.
489
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:16:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Don't try to blame it on the PS3.
Have you guys ever played Skyrim or Far Cry 3?
Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim has exactly the same godawful memory problems that every Bethesda game has on the PS3. Though that's not because the PS3 is underpowered, just the way it allocates resources in that unique circumstance. uh, my point was, Skyrim is a bad example, not that you're wrong exactly Okay, Far Cry 3.
Good graphics, huge map always loaded, unlike Skyrim.
Also, Skyrim has no cutscenes... |
Hakyou Brutor
G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad.
489
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:17:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Have you guys ever played Skyrim...
...Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim runs perfectly on the PS3? Not when I played it, it didn't. They couldn't even release the DLC for the PS3 version for the longest time because of how poorly it ran. Your PS3 must be sh*t then.
I played Skyrim for a year and maybe ONCE it froze.
I play DUST for a day and it freezes two times. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1765
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:17:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots You're off by almost an entire factor of 10.
if you subtract the people jagging off in high-sec and trading and mining, he's dead on.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
110
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:19:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Have you guys ever played Skyrim...
...Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim runs perfectly on the PS3? Not when I played it, it didn't. They couldn't even release the DLC for the PS3 version for the longest time because of how poorly it ran. Your PS3 must be sh*t then. I played Skyrim for a year and maybe ONCE it froze. I play DUST for a day and it freezes two times.
Run around the world for awhile, knock **** over, move everything around, kill some NPCs and throw their bodies around, eventually you'll feel it start to chug.
This is technically true for the 360 version and the PC version too, but you'd have to do a lot more to make it happen |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1317
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:20:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Have you guys ever played Skyrim...
...Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim runs perfectly on the PS3? Not when I played it, it didn't. They couldn't even release the DLC for the PS3 version for the longest time because of how poorly it ran. Your PS3 must be sh*t then. I played Skyrim for a year and maybe ONCE it froze. I play DUST for a day and it freezes two times. I never said I had problems playing Skyrim on the PS3, I said Skyrim had problems while I was playing it on the PS3.
Confusing, I know, but they mean totally different things.
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Phoenix 85
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:20:00 -
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low genius wrote:Akdhar Saif wrote:Too late guys. If it was still being discussed they would have shown some work on Dust 514 i.e. PVE or player economy. None of that got shown or was even talked about. Its pretty obvious this has already been greenlit. read the ccp interviews. legion is dependent upon how the community receives it. the dev blog has 17 likes in almost 4 days. it's not looking good. it's looking like the worst decision ccp has ever made.
#butthurt
I didnt know CCP was making the game or not depended upon the likes in one thread.
Dust 514 cancelled, EvE players be like
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Jotun Izalaru
Goonfeet
110
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:21:00 -
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low genius wrote:if you subtract the people jagging off in high-sec and trading and mining, he's dead on.
Those people are still playing and providing content in some form, and as long as they're playing there's potential for them to join the NullSec meatgrinder. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad.
1765
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:22:00 -
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Phoenix 85 wrote:low genius wrote:Akdhar Saif wrote:Too late guys. If it was still being discussed they would have shown some work on Dust 514 i.e. PVE or player economy. None of that got shown or was even talked about. Its pretty obvious this has already been greenlit. read the ccp interviews. legion is dependent upon how the community receives it. the dev blog has 17 likes in almost 4 days. it's not looking good. it's looking like the worst decision ccp has ever made. #butthurt I didnt know CCP was making the game or not depended upon the likes in one thread.
so, you think it's being well recieved? are you reading dev responses? it's collapsing.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:22:00 -
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Jotun Izalaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots You're off by almost an entire factor of 10.
I am talking about players who play. Usually at most there are 37k players and probably half of those are alts of their main pilot. I am talking individual players and not subscribers. I am a carebear miner and I have two accounts on most of the time. Many players have cyno alts, titan alts and scout alts. Don't fool yourself into thinking there are 40k individuals playing that game at once.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Mojo XXXIII
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
253
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:28:00 -
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Funny how quicky people have forgotten that the majority of complaints with Dust, like weapon balancing, basic game mechanics, terrain glitches, etc, etc, had nothing at all to do with the platform it was on, and everything to do with the fact that, while it was a fantasic concept, CCP simply lacked the FPS experience and technical know-how to make it a reality.
Now they have a new "vision" which is still just an interesting concept, an idea on the drawing board, just like Dust was back when we were dazzled by it's marketing presentations and pretty videos. We all believed the hype back then, just like all of the Legion supporters do now. We all, CCP included, KNEW the limitations of the PS3, and exactly how far along it was in the console life cycle, but they made the promises anyway, and we bought the sales pitch, hook, line, and sinker.
And here we are.
Does anyone honestly believe that a different platform is going to magically transform CCP into a AAA developer? Do you really believe that THIS time will be different just because "PC"?
CCP are grand dreamers. They have fantastic ideas, but lack the ability to make those ideas a reality.
I had hope for Dust, but it turned out to be a failed experiment, and nothing that CCP has done with it over the past year has given me any reason to believe that they've learned anything at all from their mistakes.
On the contrary, if anything, they seem determined to repeat them.
Legion will most likely be green lit, CCP has little choice now. They've burned their bridges, so there's no going back. Just don't expect the "finished" product to look anything at all like what you just saw at Fanfest, because I can guarantee that it won't.
I don't hope for Legion to fail, or for it to become another unrealized vision, but I will not be at all surprised if or when it is.
Nor will I be at all surprised if CCP screws all the Legion players over, just like they did with us, the moment it suits their purposes, or in order to pusue their next "vision", whatever it might be. |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1317
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:30:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Jotun Izalaru wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots You're off by almost an entire factor of 10. I am talking about players who play. Usually at most there are 37k players and probably half of those are alts of their main pilot. I am talking individual players and not subscribers. I am a carebear miner and I have two accounts on most of the time. Many players have cyno alts, titan alts and scout alts. Don't fool yourself into thinking there are 40k individuals playing that game at once. You really need to clarify more often, then. When you just say "There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots", you're going to make yourself look like an arse because that's completely wrong. That's like saying there are only 2,000 Dust Mercenaries, because, you know, a third of them are AFK (pulling numbers out of your arse is fun, no wonder it's so popular on the forum).
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DUST Fiend
The Wings of Legion
14061
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:37:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Hakyou Brutor wrote:Have you guys ever played Skyrim...
...Huge maps, runs perfectly on PS3. Skyrim runs perfectly on the PS3? Not when I played it, it didn't. They couldn't even release the DLC for the PS3 version for the longest time because of how poorly it ran. Your PS3 must be sh*t then. I played Skyrim for a year and maybe ONCE it froze. I play DUST for a day and it freezes two times. Did you seriously just compare a single player RPG to an online multiplayer FPS?
I just...
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Canari Elphus
Dirt Nap Squad.
1656
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:38:00 -
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LOL @ all the scrubs rejoicing that the good players are leaving. Maybe you will now be relevant in a dying game.
BTW - Please keep attacking AE districts. We like reminding you how bad you really are.
PSN - ShallowGravez - Destiny here we come...
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PR0FESSOR CHAOS
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:38:00 -
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Ask rockstar how incisor the console consumer market is when they made a billion that's a B in a week on ps3/xbox 360 name a single other consumer vector that has generated that many sales on anything. That's bigger than lord of the rings and starwars and the Beatles together, in less than a month. You got it right on that master race thinking small group of people thinking they are more important than the rest of the world, you go girl.
Typical CCP fanboy
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:40:00 -
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Waruiko DUST wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:low genius wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote:Because if you can't have it, no one else can. Grow up. because if they can't develop a game on a system that COUNTLESS other developers had no problem with... i'm not sure it's the operating system that's having the issue. It's a known fact that the PS3 has one of the worst architectures to develop on. You're just mad like everyone else was and has since calmed down. It is difficult to master, that does not make it worse. Look at what the PS3 can do when used correctly. They designed the PS3 to be difficult but when mastered it is very powerful to be what it is. You do not design a product to be hard to use unless the purpose of using the product is to cause you hardship. PS3 MIGHT be hard to design on because it as needed to make it so powerful for its day, and that might give very experienced developers more to work with overall, but now that there's easier more powerful ways to get the same results the PS3 IS a bad system to build in even if a thin argument can be made about that not being the case at launch. If SONY did make the platform that way on purpose without it being required then they need to check for gas leaks in their R&D department because those guys have brain damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHXrBnipHyA 21:55 Starts talking about the cell 24:45 Saying is was a mistake to make it difficult 25:40 Difficult to make games
If you have time to listen to the entire thing then it is very interesting. There is no if, it is true. Ken Kutaragi designed it to be difficult so it would have a long life.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:42:00 -
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da GAND wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots and not all of them are going to play the game because they like EVE. Yeah it it will probably have a larger number of players than we do now but it won't break any records because pilots are not going to be able to multi-box a FPS like they can EVE. They won't be able to have three pilots in space and be shooting on the ground and flying in Valk all at the same time. Tranquility pilot numbers are not the actual number of individuals who play because many, many players have at least two characters. It's not just gonna be the EVE players, it's gonna be anyone that has a PC that can handle plenty of things. You obviously haven't actually bothered to see how big the PC gaming community is.
I was addressing his comment about support from EVE players.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Bad Heal
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
131
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:45:00 -
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What about DCUO? When PS4 released you could play on both ps3and ps4 together. DCUO is larger more interactive pve pvp basically its way more complex than a lobby shooter.
Instead of dust going to ps4 why not eve? Way bigger market.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies Brave Collective
2520
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Posted - 2014.05.06 00:52:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Foxbat 071 wrote:With all the support for Legion coming from EVE players, Dust revolutionaries are pretty irrelevant. The 10-15K players of EVE are not all going to play. There are probably only about 15K max EVE pilots and not all of them are going to play the game because they like EVE. Yeah it it will probably have a larger number of players than we do now but it won't break any records because pilots are not going to be able to multi-box a FPS like they can EVE. They won't be able to have three pilots in space and be shooting on the ground and flying in Valk all at the same time. Tranquility pilot numbers are not the actual number of individuals who play because many, many players have at least two characters. There are over 500,000 current subscriptions in EVE Online. Assuming that everyone has three active accounts (which is a fairly large number; quite a few of the people I knew on EVE didn't even have two accounts), that's still 167,000 people.
Yes, there may be 500,000 current subscriptions but less than 1/10 are online and playing. Usually there are less than 40K players and many have at least two toons and lots have 5-6 accounts for other reasons. If you think there are over 100k players playing then you must believe that there are 1 million players playing DUST514 because that is how many characters there are.
Are Chribba alts. Elyza, Yuffie, Ifalna, Ellone, Rikku, Selphie, Nhadala, Refia, Shalua, Arylon, Chribba Kamprad, Chribba Veldspar, Enola Black, Chribba Claus, Selena Gomez, Rachele Smith, Bree Turner, Alexis Dziena, Zoe Saldana, Meagan Good, Amanda Crew, Amber Tamblyn, Tammin Sursok, Shenae Grimes, Kristen Wiig, Jennifer Alden, Nina Dobrev, Kaley Cuoco, Emilee Wallace, Alyson Michalka, Aimee Teegarden, Carla Gallo, Collette Wolfe, Shelley Hennig, Krysten Ritter, Alia Shawkat, Ellie Kemper, Ari Graynor, Maria Pitillo, Sydney Bennett, Alyson Stoner, Noureen DeWulf, Daniela Bobadilla, Brie Larson, Rosamund Pike, Charlie Spradling, Anna-Sophia Robb, Katie Findlay, Vanessa Lengies, Rose Leslie and Lizzy Caplan.
That is 17 for one person, the CEO of my old corp had three, I have two, and the two hosts of Down the pipe had five or 6 each. That is 33 accounts for five players and those are just the ones I can name in a few minutes.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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