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Evicer wrote:

No matter if its on PC or any other platform your DUST 514/ Legion Char. is irrelevant and I ll tell you why.

1) Faction warfare: you dont even fight for the same NPC Faction Corp as your EVE corp mates do .Whatever you do For the Imperial Guard for example neither helps/hurts you corp EVE side. There is no benefit to your corporation standing even in that same empire. So you could fight forever for the Imperial Guard and there is no upside to that.For your EVE militia corpmates.

2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST

3) District ownership: as stated in point 2 there are no resources for you to gather. An Eve player can do PI but it doesn't matter if you own the district or not.Your DUST char cant charge the PI EVE player rent to be on your land. Baring that ,most EVE players give **** all about PI.

4) DUST corps cant own or set tax on POCO's (player owned custom offices) and cant set a tax rate on the POCO to generate revenue from the planet .

5) Cant fire into space to defend the POCO if it does come under attack EVE side.

Nothing shown on the DUST/Legion Alpha keynote expands on the eve connection at all. So its never going to happen. Legion will be a lobby shooter connected to your EVE account that serves no purpose at all except to be a ground pounding monkey.Eternally to be a non factor in the EVE universe.

EDIT : ps they showed No drones , none of the PVE they spoke of No game mode with PVE, no concepts on PVE for Legion in that keynote nothing at all.

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Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 659	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:40:00 - [1] - Quote No matter if its on PC or any other platform your DUST 514/ Legion Char. is irrelevant and I ll tell you why. 1) Faction warfare: you dont even fight for the same NPC Faction Corp as your EVE corp mates do .Whatever you do For the Imperial Guard for example neither helps/hurts you corp EVE side. There is no benefit to your corporation standing even in that same empire. So you could fight forever for the Imperial Guard and there is no upside to that.For your EVE militia corpmates. 2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST 3) District ownership: as stated in point 2 there are no resources for you to gather. An Eve player can do PI but it doesn't matter if you own the district or not.Your DUST char cant charge the PI EVE player rent to be on your land. Baring that ,most EVE players give ** all about PI. 4) DUST corps cant own or set tax on POCO's (player owned custom offices) and cant set a tax rate on the POCO to generate revenue from the planet . 5) Cant fire into space to defend the POCO if it does come under attack EVE side. Nothing shown on the DUST/Legion Alpha keynote expands on the eve connection at all. So its never going to happen. Legion will be a lobby shooter connected to your EVE account that serves no purpose at all except to be a ground pounding monkey.Eternally to be a non factor in the EVE universe. EDIT : ps they showed No drones , none of the PVE they spoke of No game mode with PVE, no concepts on PVE for Legion in that keynote nothing at all. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute** Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
bamboo x Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 696	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:42:00 - [2] - Quote We know. But our ***** are bigger than yours. Sign if you refuse to give up on the PS3 Dust
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 - [3] - Quote That prototype at the Keynote wasn't even close to an alpha build.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2739	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 - [4] - Quote Yes, the game is missing a lot of features. Can you guess why they want to bring to PC? Just a wild shot in the dark but I think its so they can work on bringing things like this to game.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 652	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:44:00 - [5] - Quote Some people should prob learn the difference between prototype and an alpha build '#PCMasterRace
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3263	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:48:00 - [6] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Some people should prob learn the difference between prototype and an alpha build Alfa bild, dat a noo soot?. Well that was fun
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 393	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:52:00 - [7] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Some people should prob learn the difference between prototype and an alpha build Some people don't seem to know the difference between a presentation, a panel, and a keynote. What do you expect?
Sirpidey Adtur Aloren Foundations 124	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:53:00 - [8] - Quote Evicer wrote: 2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST Technically false. " Corporations that own districts can choose from one of three district types. Each one offeres different bonuses to EVE or DUST, two of them offering bonuses to both. Research lab district bonus: A decrease in POS fuel usage 5% per district owned to a maximum of 4 districts or 20% Cargo hub district bonus: A decrease in manufacturing time at Player Owned Starbases (POSes) 10% per district owned to a maximum of 4 districts or 40%" Now, that said, it is an incredibly small bonus that only works on temparate planets with moons, but it is a bonus.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:54:00 - [9] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Yes, the game is missing a lot of features. Can you guess why they want to bring to PC? Just a wild shot in the dark but I think its so they can work on bringing things like this to game. You get a time line from fanfest on when these features would be implemented ? I didnt see one. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:59:00 - [10] - Quote Sirpidey Adtur wrote: Evicer wrote: 2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST Technically false. " Corporations that own districts can choose from one of three district types. Each one offeres different bonuses to EVE or DUST, two of them offering bonuses to both. Research lab district bonus: A decrease in POS fuel usage 5% per district owned to a maximum of 4 districts or 20% Cargo hub district bonus: A decrease in manufacturing time at Player Owned Starbases (POSes) 10% per district owned to a maximum of 4 districts or 40%" Now, that said, it is an incredibly small bonus that only works on temparate planets with moons, but it is a bonus. Not trying to be to much of an ass here but My DUST toon cant build a POS and cant beifit from manufacturing , and nothing can be manufactured IN EVE that helps a DUST Corp/character IE dropsuits/weps/vehicles Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1753	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:59:00 - [11] - Quote Evicer wrote: No matter if its on PC or any other platform your DUST 514/ Legion Char. is irrelevant and I ll tell you why. 1) Faction warfare: you dont even fight for the same NPC Faction Corp as your EVE corp mates do .Whatever you do For the Imperial Guard for example neither helps/hurts you corp EVE side. There is no benefit to your corporation standing even in that same empire. So you could fight forever for the Imperial Guard and there is no upside to that.For your EVE militia corpmates. 2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST 3) District ownership: as stated in point 2 there are no resources for you to gather. An Eve player can do PI but it doesn't matter if you own the district or not.Your DUST char cant charge the PI EVE player rent to be on your land. Baring that ,most EVE players give **** all about PI. 4) DUST corps cant own or set tax on POCO's (player owned custom offices) and cant set a tax rate on the POCO to generate revenue from the planet . 5) Cant fire into space to defend the POCO if it does come under attack EVE side. Nothing shown on the DUST/Legion Alpha keynote expands on the eve connection at all. So its never going to happen. Legion will be a lobby shooter connected to your EVE account that serves no purpose at all except to be a ground pounding monkey.Eternally to be a non factor in the EVE universe. EDIT : ps they showed No drones , none of the PVE they spoke of No game mode with PVE, no concepts on PVE for Legion in that keynote nothing at all. your number three isn't quite right. none of the bonuses for owning districts on planets ever worked. not for one week. eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14052	Posted - 2014.05.05 22:59:00 - [12] - Quote You will not be missed
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:01:00 - [13] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You will not be missed Keep thinking you're relevant to 1 iota of my consideration Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2740	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:05:00 - [14] - Quote Evicer wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Yes, the game is missing a lot of features. Can you guess why they want to bring to PC? Just a wild shot in the dark but I think its so they can work on bringing things like this to game. You get a time line from fanfest on when these features would be implemented ? I didnt see one. A timeline? Nope, don't need one. Its quite clear the objective of the next 2 years will be to make a working product on the PC. That's about all the timeline I need. For now, i'll just enjoy my brand new EVE account and ESO in the meantime. I haven't been this excited about a game since WoW was first announced.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14052	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:07:00 - [15] - Quote Evicer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You will not be missed Keep thinking you're relevant to 1 iota of my consideration That gave me a good laugh. I just love watching you swallow your tongue, nothing more. Zdub, which alliance are you playing in ESO and how far are you?
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:07:00 - [16] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Evicer wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Yes, the game is missing a lot of features. Can you guess why they want to bring to PC? Just a wild shot in the dark but I think its so they can work on bringing things like this to game. You get a time line from fanfest on when these features would be implemented ? I didnt see one. A timeline? Nope, don't need one. Its quite clear the objective of the next 2 years will be to make a working product on the PC. That's about all the timeline I need. For now, i'll just enjoy my brand new EVE account and ESO in the meantime. I haven't been this excited about a game since WoW was first announced. I 've had a EVE acount going on 2 years now, you're behind. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
BL4CKST4R WarRavens Final Resolution. 2682	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:08:00 - [17] - Quote I hate to be the one defending legion but... legion hopes to accomplish all the things you said it won't do. And I am sure it will do all these things, it's just sad the majority of dust players will never enjoy them. Markdown:
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:09:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Evicer wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You will not be missed Keep thinking you're relevant to 1 iota of my consideration That gave me a good laugh. I just love watching you swallow your tongue, nothing more. Zdub, which alliance are you playing in ESO and how far are you? Gay dudes like watching you swallow You > slurp bob slurp Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
Sirpidey Adtur Aloren Foundations 124	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:11:00 - [19] - Quote low genius wrote: your number three isn't quite right. none of the bonuses for owning districts on planets ever worked. not for one week. Wait, the EVE side bonuses of PC don't actually work? Huh, I never realized that. So I guess capsuleers get no mechanical benefit from dropping OBs in PC then.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:12:00 - [20] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I hate to be the one defending legion but... legion hopes to accomplish all the things you said it won't do. And I am sure it will do all these things, it's just sad the majority of dust players will never enjoy them. Its pretty doubtful 1) because EVE players hate that revenue "supposedly" was comming from there subs to dev this game when they want more for EVE. So I dont think it'll survive. Past concept. Baring that the revenue tap from DUST ps3 has been shut off by anyone who continues to play this game .Im sure many vets have bought there last booster. Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist

DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14053	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:13:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I hate to be the one defending legion but... legion hopes to accomplish all the things you said it won't do. And I am sure it will do all these things, it's just sad the majority of dust players will never enjoy them. I think there's a pretty strong chance that many DUST players will get to play it. I'm pretty confident in a PS4 port, at least now more than I was before Legion was announced. With CCP still working close with Sony for Valkyrie, the foundation will definitely still be there. Many of us knew that DUST had no real future on the PS3, so if they solidify a PS4 port I think that many people who didn't just up and biomass will have the opportunity to persist, meaningfully, in New Eden.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4293	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:13:00 - [22] - Quote Is it crabs that often pull other crabs down when they are about to escape the bucket? That analogy works here. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:17:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I hate to be the one defending legion but... legion hopes to accomplish all the things you said it won't do. And I am sure it will do all these things, it's just sad the majority of dust players will never enjoy them. I think there's a pretty strong chance that many DUST players will get to play it. I'm pretty confident in a PS4 port, at least now more than I was before Legion was announced. With CCP still working close with Sony for Valkyrie, the foundation will definitely still be there. Many of us knew that DUST had no real future on the PS3, so if they solidify a PS4 port I think that many people who didn't just up and biomass will have the opportunity to persist, meaningfully, in New Eden. Meaningful ? did you read the OP. Name one thing that makes you a citizen of New eden and how your DUST char. leaves its mark in New Eden Universe? Anything that you do in DUST leaves no footprint in the sanbox Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Dirt Nap Squad. 2743	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:23:00 - [24] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Zdub, which alliance are you playing in ESO and how far are you? Not far at all level 14 or so, Daggerfall Cov... same name no space. Evicer wrote: Meaningful ? did you read the OP. Name one thing that makes you a citizen of New eden and how your DUST char. leaves its mark in New Eden Universe? Anything that you do in DUST leaves no footprint in the sanbox You are absolutely correct here, which is why they want to move to PC. So they can better develop the tools for ground force mercenaries to leave their mark on New Eden.
Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:26:00 - [25] - Quote Evicer wrote: Meaningful ? did you read the OP. Name one thing that makes you a citizen of New eden and how your DUST char. leaves its mark in New Eden Universe? Anything that you do in DUST leaves no footprint in the sanbox Lets start with the battle for Caldari Prime. Dust changed the entire face of that event and it's subsequent results are still being felt in the developing story of New Eden. Then how DNS has gone down in the history books for securing Molden heath (Never mind that it's broken mechanics that allow it, they still have done it) FW systems are regularly influenced by ground battles causing control flips that otherwise might not have done so. Is it as much of a link as it could be? No. Is it a real link? Yes.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 752	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:31:00 - [26] - Quote Jesus fck we just had this conversation in you legion fanboi hate thread. Fcking impotent man child rage at it's finest. I vote you for Spergerking. Rationality, perception,and critical-thinking are dead here; long live nerd- rage! Yes CCP did bad; soon it'll better.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 661	Posted - 2014.05.05 23:35:00 - [27] - Quote Nevyn Tazinas wrote: Evicer wrote: Meaningful ? did you read the OP. Name one thing that makes you a citizen of New eden and how your DUST char. leaves its mark in New Eden Universe? Anything that you do in DUST leaves no footprint in the sanbox Lets start with the battle for Caldari Prime. Dust changed the entire face of that event and it's subsequent results are still being felt in the developing story of New Eden. Then how DNS has gone down in the history books for securing Molden heath (Never mind that it's broken mechanics that allow it, they still have done it) FW systems are regularly influenced by ground battles causing control flips that otherwise might not have done so. Is it as much of a link as it could be? No. Is it a real link? Yes. You blew up that TITAN? I thought an EVE fleet did ? Cubbs never told me owns a POS. He must be holding out on me.Your FW standing does nothing to Increase your standing for your EVE militia Corp mates so you and them really arent working together to increase your Corps standing in the militia corp's empire and actually gain standing for to separate entities Fortune favors the Bold,but Success favors the Resolute Unbent,Unburdened, UNSTOPPABLE Amarr loyalist
ChowMaiDong Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 36	Posted - 2014.05.06 00:32:00 - [28] - Quote Evicer wrote: No matter if its on PC or any other platform your DUST 514/ Legion Char. is irrelevant and I ll tell you why. 1) Faction warfare: you dont even fight for the same NPC Faction Corp as your EVE corp mates do .Whatever you do For the Imperial Guard for example neither helps/hurts you corp EVE side. There is no benefit to your corporation standing even in that same empire. So you could fight forever for the Imperial Guard and there is no upside to that.For your EVE militia corpmates. 2) Manufacturing: There is nothing planet side that you the DUST player/corp as far as resources that helps to create anything in EVE or DUST 3) District ownership: as stated in point 2 there are no resources for you to gather. An Eve player can do PI but it doesn't matter if you own the district or not.Your DUST char cant charge the PI EVE player rent to be on your land. Baring that ,most EVE players give **** all about PI. 4) DUST corps cant own or set tax on POCO's (player owned custom offices) and cant set a tax rate on the POCO to generate revenue from the planet . 5) Cant fire into space to defend the POCO if it does come under attack EVE side. Nothing shown on the DUST/Legion Alpha keynote expands on the eve connection at all. So its never going to happen. Legion will be a lobby shooter connected to your EVE account that serves no purpose at all except to be a ground pounding monkey.Eternally to be a non factor in the EVE universe. EDIT : ps they showed No drones , none of the PVE they spoke of No game mode with PVE, no concepts on PVE for Legion in that keynote nothing at all. Yeah when I get on the EVE forums even prior to the announcement at Fanfest EVE players comment on DUST and say "People still play that POS?"


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