The skill tree is still young and will probably be iterated on. Feedback is good (don't get me wrong) but don't feel like its all completely set in stone.

CCP Z already said in one of those roundtables (on MPX youtube channel) they are discussing exactly what you are worried about (weapons in other trees) and looking at solutions to that.

Also, pros stomping noobs, his presentation was all about tiercide and meta restricted matchmaking. They won't be perfect, of course, but 1000000000x better than matchmaking in Dust.

You know the chances the shotty not being in the scout tree and a pistol is like.... Impossible?

Anyways there may be a tool added to alleviate the need to drill down into another tree to get it. Its up to CCP Z to make the full post describing the whole system.

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Ello Godin!

I just finished reading your post and honestly I agree fully ! I have no understanding as to why they would promote the idea of sandbox based game play when they actively reinforces the contrary with systems like the one described.

It boggles my mind honestly, Since when did limiting the choices of players progression help a sandbox game. Most of the time the best kind of gameplay in said games are when you find unexpected results with unexpected combinations, or in this case a dropsuit used for an unintended purpose with unexpected results.

Imo they should look less at systems used in games such as skyrim in terms of progression.Considering that game pretty much botched the whole progression going from RPG systems centering around the idea of choice and specialization. To a more fool proof system with limited possibilities where most of the options were predetermined with the so called perk system ... which is just as the planned system of progression/fitting and dropsuit mechanics of the so called Legion.

All in all I would rather see them reinforce roles trough bonuses as encouragement to use a particular setup I.e a Minnie Assualt suit that gets a Stam & shield regen bonus and a tied weapon bonus to said suit / Light weapon.

Combined with a system such as the ISIS system in EVE; This combination would have all the necessary info for a newberry to understand the basic progression and what to spec into after they have tried out some equipment.

TLDR; IMO New system is poorly thought out with huge ramifications to the choice in the game in many aspects ( Sanbox gameplay will be hurt the most). Would be better if they encouraged players to skill into certain combinations of equipment trough bonuses combined with a system like the ISIS feature in eve, that way the game will retain the fresh RPG mechanics at the same time as new players will be guided trough easy and manageable systems!

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You know the chances the shotty not being in the scout tree and a pistol is like.... Impossible?

I see what you did there Thanks for agreeing with me

Hehe! Glad to hear it mate! Cheers! I just think it is one of the more hot topics quite frankly, considering for me it might be a deal breaker ... along with other things haha!

I know it is not towards me ... ah I will give it a shot!

They will probably tweak the roles however I still don't see a point of doing it since I always thought it was the lack of info regarding skills/ progression as well as the SP divide/ lack of tiercide that caused the progression to be somewhat ... a muddled affair.

Limiting the player never truly serves a purpose other than eliminating the need to actually "teach" players the way to play the game.

It is the same as getting popups every 5 seconds in the tutorial on how to play and what to do it rather than to device good sections/systems and mechanics that "teaches" the player on how to play the game.

... Or I might just be an idiot, who knows ?!?

That doesn't stop vets with lots of money from stomping noobs in hi or losec in the open world parts.........

He is referring to my example. Apparently, this is normal IWS (taking everything literal, even though it is cleared up that it isn't). Don't worry :D

A lot of the details still arent available on exactly what they plan for the high and low sec open world mechanics but I suspect it will go something like high sec has no pvp, friendly fire completely disabled while low sec is friendly fire all day (and open world pvp as a result). What does this mean? Yeah man, low sec is NOT gonna be fair. Its open world in the EVE universe.

With respect to 'fairness' in low sec open world pvp? The correct answer to that would be "HTFU "

Yeah true true :C I just think it is odd considering they want to emphasis immersion,sandbox and progression yet using means to counteract most of those said points by using simple and standard means of game design.

Those three topics have been what I have been trying to provide feedback the most to sadly I didn't have enough time to finish them.

Another bass ackwards design choice

IMO if you want to change the skill tree you need to consolidate things IE instead of separate skills for say RR, SR, Swarms, Magsec, and the bolt pistol you have a blanket Caldari Weapons skill or Amarr Dropsuits skill at least for unlock the things to use and giving a general useful skill with other specialized skills for roles being just bonuses and not unlocking things

A lot of the details still arent available on exactly what they plan for the high and low sec open world mechanics but I suspect it will go something like high sec has no pvp, friendly fire completely disabled while low sec is friendly fire all day (and open world pvp as a result). What does this mean? Yeah man, low sec is NOT gonna be fair. Its open world in the EVE universe.

With respect to 'fairness' in low sec open world pvp? The correct answer to that would be "HTFU "