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Severus Smith
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:13:00 -
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To everyone who is angry about Legion, please take one moment to read this...
DUST 514 is sadly over, and the only chance of a New Eden MMOFPS is in CCP CEO Hilmar's hands on if he green lights Legion or not. DUST is dead regardless, and I know this sounds crazy, but here is why:
A team of 20 developers (at 50k salary each, which is low) is roughly 1 million USD a year. Tack on the UDK3 license fee (25% of earnings after 50k revenue) and server costs and you're looking at $100,000 USD a month easy in costs, and its probably much more. With 5000 active players they would need every single one to spend $20 a month minimum to maybe break even. After taxes, they're still in the red. CCP won't discuss it's finances: DUST is a flop, or at least isn't a good investment.
Which leads us to Valkyrie. DUST was originally green lit years ago to be a way to expand the New Eden IP into a new genre. CCP felt that a MMOFPS was the best. But then DUST wasn't as successful as expected and is losing them money every month. And then suddenly, they lay a golden egg named Valkyrie which has EVERYONE excited and is poised to be a cash cow. There is their New Eden IP. Why wouldn't they cut funding to DUST and pour all that money into Valkyrie? That's the smart investment. There's limited competition, CCP knows spaceships, its NOT a shooter, it's won more awards in Alpha than DUST did ever, and it already has a following 100x larger than DUST. Cutting DUST to further fund Valkyrie is the smart decision.
Which leads us to "Project Legion". I am a contractor in software development. I've worked on many multi-million dollar projects in Oil / Gas and I know a hail mary when I see one. CCP Rouge was probably hired, told "Make DUST profitable in X months" and responded with "impossible, this game needs to be completely rewritten for the PC" and was told by Hilmar that he has until Fanfest to produce a "proof of concept" to pitch the rewrite or the funding goes to Valkyrie. Why else would they show Legion without Hilamr having green lit it? Because it's a hail mary. So Legion is CCP Rouge's answer to the sad state of DUST. "You can't fix an airplane while it's in flight" is a programming adage. And it's true.
So, the grim news is that DUST is probably getting cancelled and Legion is the only hope we have of a New Eden based MMOFPS. What does that mean for you? As much as it sucks to lose the $40 or $200 or $5000 dollars you've put into DUST it's going to suck more for the CCP developers who lose their jobs when DUST is canceled. Their only hope is Legion, hence all the "Tweet Hilmar and tell him to green light Legion" blue posts.
So don't be a deuce and cost real people their jobs because of poor scoping decisions by upper management. Suck it up, the money is gone anyhow, and consider it an investment towards a better New Eden based shooter. If your an exclusive console player who loathes PC then mark it down as a charitable donation on your 2015 tax return.
DUST is dead. Hopefully Legion is given a chance (or all the money is sent to Valkyrie because that game looks f***ing awesome). |
Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:20:00 -
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Sorry. Time and time again I am let down by CCP. This last kick in the balls was the worst. Worse than Uprising, yeah, that bad. I will never support another thing CCP does. In fact I am openly campaigning against them. Friends, coworkers, strangers I meet at game stores are all getting the scoop. CCP has lost a good customer.
Who wants some?
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1673
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:23:00 -
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So... what about folks who bought bpo items in merc packs and elite packs etc .. on the premise of CCP'S premise of a 10 year plan for dust on the consol market .. not everyone is going to buy a gaming rig to play legion in the hopes that their stuff is transfered over.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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CRNWLLC
Screwy Rabbit ULC
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:26:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:Sorry. Time and time again I am let down by CCP. This last kick in the balls was the worst. Worse than Uprising, yeah, that bad. I will never support another thing CCP does. In fact I am openly campaigning against them. Friends, coworkers, strangers I meet at game stores are all getting the scoop. CCP has lost a good customer. ^^ Ditto. I've cancelled my EVE subs, but I will continue to play Dust till it's completely burned and its ashes are scattered at sea. Sorta like deciding to quit cigarettes but finishing your last pack. We don't wanna be wasteful, now.
CCP --> 8=======D (( <-- their customers' a$$es
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z z top
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:28:00 -
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bullshit none of this is on the players and none of the potential job loss or job gains are anybody's responsibility but hilmars. this company is going to thrive and DIE by his hubris. |
Severus Smith
Caldari State
510
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:30:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:So... what about folks who bought bpo items in merc packs and elite packs etc .. on the premise of CCP'S premise of a 10 year plan for dust on the consol market .. not everyone is going to buy a gaming rig to play legion in the hopes that their stuff is transfered over. *pat pat* ..?
I also bought the BPO items. Hell, I bought TWO PS3's so that my wife and I could both play DUST. I've probably sunk more money into DUST than most of the people ragebile posting here on these forums. But guess what? Games die.
I personally am excited about Legion. Because it should have been on PC in the first place. Unfortunately, the 100 or so of you who are screaming at the top of your lungs will probably ruin it for everyone because CCP will take your wailing as a "negative reaction" from everyone.
But seriously, if you get this upset over a video game closing and you losing some BPO items then life is going to be rough for you. |
Nstomper
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
549
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:30:00 -
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actually some ccp people have already been fired
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Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:33:00 -
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why should anyone eat this pile of crap hilmar is trying to feed anyone and be acting like it tastes sweet? look the ceo of this company is behind everyone of these choices. if the customer base is this enraged and they are that out of touch why should anyone care? instead of expecting us to suck it up hilmar should be doing a headstand right now and trying to apologize. guess what that is never going to happen. fuc ccp |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
3144
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:35:00 -
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Nstomper wrote:actually some ccp people have already been fired
As well they should. OP, don't blame the player base for the mountain of fail CCP built here. We didn't program a bad game, we didn't mislead anyone, we just played a game, supported it financially, and help them make improvements.
It's all on them. Not us.
o7
I'm out. See you on the other side.
psn: bobswerski
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Aszazel
R 0 N 1 N
344
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Posted - 2014.05.05 19:57:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:To everyone who is angry about Legion, please take one moment to read this...
DUST 514 is sadly over, and the only chance of a New Eden MMOFPS is in CCP CEO Hilmar's hands on if he green lights Legion or not. DUST is dead regardless, and I know this sounds crazy, but here is why:
A team of 20 developers (at 50k salary each, which is low) is roughly 1 million USD a year. Tack on the UDK3 license fee (25% of earnings after 50k revenue) and server costs and you're looking at $100,000 USD a month easy in costs, and its probably much more. With 5000 active players they would need every single one to spend $20 a month minimum to maybe break even. After taxes, they're still in the red. CCP won't discuss it's finances: DUST is a flop, or at least isn't a good investment.
Which leads us to Valkyrie. DUST was originally green lit years ago to be a way to expand the New Eden IP into a new genre. CCP felt that a MMOFPS was the best. But then DUST wasn't as successful as expected and is losing them money every month. And then suddenly, they lay a golden egg named Valkyrie which has EVERYONE excited and is poised to be a cash cow. There is their New Eden IP. Why wouldn't they cut funding to DUST and pour all that money into Valkyrie? That's the smart investment. There's limited competition, CCP knows spaceships, its NOT a shooter, it's won more awards in Alpha than DUST did ever, and it already has a following 100x larger than DUST. Cutting DUST to further fund Valkyrie is the smart decision.
Which leads us to "Project Legion". I am a contractor in software development. I've worked on many multi-million dollar projects in Oil / Gas and I know a hail mary when I see one. CCP Rouge was probably hired, told "Make DUST profitable in X months" and responded with "impossible, this game needs to be completely rewritten for the PC" and was told by Hilmar that he has until Fanfest to produce a "proof of concept" to pitch the rewrite or the funding goes to Valkyrie. Why else would they show Legion without Hilamr having green lit it? Because it's a hail mary. So Legion is CCP Rouge's answer to the sad state of DUST. "You can't fix an airplane while it's in flight" is a programming adage. And it's true.
So, the grim news is that DUST is probably getting cancelled and Legion is the only hope we have of a New Eden based MMOFPS. What does that mean for you? As much as it sucks to lose the $40 or $200 or $5000 dollars you've put into DUST it's going to suck more for the CCP developers who lose their jobs when DUST is canceled. Their only hope is Legion, hence all the "Tweet Hilmar and tell him to green light Legion" blue posts.
So don't be a deuce and cost real people their jobs because of poor scoping decisions by upper management. Suck it up, the money is gone anyhow, and consider it an investment towards a better New Eden based shooter. If your an exclusive console player who loathes PC then mark it down as a charitable donation on your 2015 tax return.
DUST is dead. Hopefully Legion is given a chance (or all the money is sent to Valkyrie because that game looks f***ing awesome).
What the fu@k does your post have to do with why we are angry? We are angry because CCP knew they were going to move away from the PS3 to the PC over 3 months ago when CCP RougeDoucheNozzle joined the team to ruin games like he ruined all games at EA. (Mass Effect anyone?) You need to refocus where you are going so you don't go bankrupt? Fine, you need to use us as beta testers for your new game? FINE. BUT how could you FU@KING run back to back to back SP events and put out boosters, omega booster, million clone challenge, sidearm event, orgin event (HEY BUY the orgin pack), THE ENTIRE TIME leading up to the announcement.
We pumped money into this game because we believed CCP was working to bring us fixes to the THOUSANDS of bugs and problems. As SOON as they knew they were going to cancel support for DUST, they should have told us, not tried to bleed us out of every penny they could before they made the announcement. AND THE DELIVERY was the worst part of all, I can't tell you what coming but I am really excited?!!!" THEY DIDN'T EVEN COVER DUST, ONLY LEGION, CAUSE DUST WAS ALREADY DISCONTINUED. It's like my grandmother saying we might*, probably* are going to go out for cake after dinner, and I DRIVE OVER TO HER HOUSE AND SHE IS DEAD.
Make a man a fire and he will be warm for a night, set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life
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Severus Smith
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:37:00 -
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Aszazel wrote:What the fu@k does your post have to do with why we are angry? We are angry because CCP knew they were going to move away from the PS3 to the PC over 3 months ago when CCP RougeDoucheNozzle joined the team to ruin games like he ruined all games at EA. (Mass Effect anyone?) You need to refocus where you are going so you don't go bankrupt? Fine, you need to use us as beta testers for your new game? FINE. BUT how could you FU@KING run back to back to back SP events and put out boosters, omega booster, million clone challenge, sidearm event, orgin event (HEY BUY the orgin pack), THE ENTIRE TIME leading up to the announcement.
We pumped money into this game because we believed CCP was working to bring us fixes to the THOUSANDS of bugs and problems. As SOON as they knew they were going to cancel support for DUST, they should have told us, not tried to bleed us out of every penny they could before they made the announcement. AND THE DELIVERY was the worst part of all, I can't tell you what coming but I am really excited?!!!" THEY DIDN'T EVEN COVER DUST, ONLY LEGION, CAUSE DUST WAS ALREADY DISCONTINUED. It's like my grandmother saying we might*, probably* are going to go out for cake after dinner, and I DRIVE OVER TO HER HOUSE AND SHE IS DEAD.
I'll cede you that point. Yeah, I haven't been around for the past few months playing wise (just had a baby) but I could see how that would royally **** some people off. Douche move CCP.
I'm still excited about Legion, and really excited about Valkyrie, but that is kind of skeezy. |
Jarod Garamonde Jr
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
89
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:48:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:To everyone who is angry about Legion, please take one moment to read this...
DUST 514 is sadly over, and the only chance of a New Eden MMOFPS is in CCP CEO Hilmar's hands on if he green lights Legion or not. DUST is dead regardless, and I know this sounds crazy, but here is why:
A team of 20 developers (at 50k salary each, which is low) is roughly 1 million USD a year. Tack on the UDK3 license fee (25% of earnings after 50k revenue) and server costs and you're looking at $100,000 USD a month easy in costs, and its probably much more. With 5000 active players they would need every single one to spend $20 a month minimum to maybe break even. After taxes, they're still in the red. CCP won't discuss it's finances: DUST is a flop, or at least isn't a good investment.
Which leads us to Valkyrie. DUST was originally green lit years ago to be a way to expand the New Eden IP into a new genre. CCP felt that a MMOFPS was the best. But then DUST wasn't as successful as expected and is losing them money every month. And then suddenly, they lay a golden egg named Valkyrie which has EVERYONE excited and is poised to be a cash cow. There is their New Eden IP. Why wouldn't they cut funding to DUST and pour all that money into Valkyrie? That's the smart investment. There's limited competition, CCP knows spaceships, its NOT a shooter, it's won more awards in Alpha than DUST did ever, and it already has a following 100x larger than DUST. Cutting DUST to further fund Valkyrie is the smart decision.
Which leads us to "Project Legion". I am a contractor in software development. I've worked on many multi-million dollar projects in Oil / Gas and I know a hail mary when I see one. CCP Rouge was probably hired, told "Make DUST profitable in X months" and responded with "impossible, this game needs to be completely rewritten for the PC" and was told by Hilmar that he has until Fanfest to produce a "proof of concept" to pitch the rewrite or the funding goes to Valkyrie. Why else would they show Legion without Hilamr having green lit it? Because it's a hail mary. So Legion is CCP Rouge's answer to the sad state of DUST. "You can't fix an airplane while it's in flight" is a programming adage. And it's true.
So, the grim news is that DUST is probably getting cancelled and Legion is the only hope we have of a New Eden based MMOFPS. What does that mean for you? As much as it sucks to lose the $40 or $200 or $5000 dollars you've put into DUST it's going to suck more for the CCP developers who lose their jobs when DUST is canceled. Their only hope is Legion, hence all the "Tweet Hilmar and tell him to green light Legion" blue posts.
So don't be a deuce and cost real people their jobs because of poor scoping decisions by upper management. Suck it up, the money is gone anyhow, and consider it an investment towards a better New Eden based shooter. If your an exclusive console player who loathes PC then mark it down as a charitable donation on your 2015 tax return.
DUST is dead. Hopefully Legion is given a chance (or all the money is sent to Valkyrie because that game looks f***ing awesome).
**starts slow clap** (not being sarcastic. Bravo, well-said, and completely supported)
Silly Infantrymen... CAS Requests are for Forward Observers...
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pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES Canis Eliminatus Operatives
1675
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Posted - 2014.05.05 20:56:00 -
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Severus Smith wrote:pegasis prime wrote:So... what about folks who bought bpo items in merc packs and elite packs etc .. on the premise of CCP'S premise of a 10 year plan for dust on the consol market .. not everyone is going to buy a gaming rig to play legion in the hopes that their stuff is transfered over. *pat pat* ..? I also bought the BPO items. Hell, I bought TWO PS3's so that my wife and I could both play DUST. I've probably sunk more money into DUST than most of the people ragebile posting here on these forums. But guess what? Games die. I personally am excited about Legion. Because it should have been on PC in the first place. Unfortunately, the 100 or so of you who are screaming at the top of your lungs will probably ruin it for everyone because CCP will take your wailing as a "negative reaction" from everyone. But seriously, if you get this upset over a video game closing and you losing some BPO items then life is going to be rough for you.
dude where in my post am I getting upset . I'm asking a ligit question as we were sold items under false pretences which I'm sure is actually illegal.
Proud Gunlogi pilot and forge gunner since August 2012.
I fought and bled for the State on Caldari prime.
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