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Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 130	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:13:00 - [1] - Quote What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 This way, Dust elite players could start playing Legion with about 5m sp, which is enough for testing the new game and having some real advantage over the newcomers who didn't play Dust, but still not being unbeatable monsters. In my case, I would start with 1m sp, enough to be happy while recreating this character, so I can begin to specialize on a particular suit. What would be your equation? Legion

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:15:00 - [2] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7902	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:17:00 - [3] - Quote A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. inb4 The Lock!
Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1621	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:18:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. How much is speculation as in "dunno, gotta see", "looks like we can go this way", and "that is obviously the way we are going to go"? You are scaring me CCP. Stahp! cries You are making this fat bastard cry!

CCP Saberwing C C P C C P Alliance 4075	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:18:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! CCP Saberwing // DUST 514 Community Manager // @kanafchian

Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 130	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:22:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. So, logarithmic then. Legion
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5187	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:29:00 - [7] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. So you're saying that Skillpoints themselves may be going away to make way for a completely different system?
21yrOld Knight Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 868	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:41:00 - [8] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 This way, Dust elite players could start playing Legion with about 5m sp, which is enough for testing the new game and having some real advantage over the newcomers who didn't play Dust, but still not being unbeatable monsters. In my case, I would start with 1m sp, enough to be happy while recreating this character, so I can begin to specialize on a particular suit. What would be your equation? Why change it? Supposedly there will thousands more players in legion.only a few will have incredible amounts of sp. Why can't there be a elite few? Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous *General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous* I'm famous in dead game. WHYYYYYY
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 377	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:46:00 - [9] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! Your plans for the skill tree actually make it sound credible. I love that skill progression starts without faction alignments for the suits. However, you might want to take a look at doing a similar thing for items that are unlocked. Postponing faction alignments really helps with introducing new players.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 457	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:48:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. So you're saying that Skillpoints themselves may be going away to make way for a completely different system? If they implement any sort of gear-meta level based match making, all the isk in New Eden will not buy you an advantage in the militia league. Those players with high SP and expensive assets will be segregated or play with lower tier equipment (to be fair to the casuals). There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 4346	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:50:00 - [11] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! Well obviously. They're the only ones who are going to trust you at this point. Markdown:
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 3921	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:50:00 - [12] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 This way, Dust elite players could start playing Legion with about 5m sp, which is enough for testing the new game and having some real advantage over the newcomers who didn't play Dust, but still not being unbeatable monsters. In my case, I would start with 1m sp, enough to be happy while recreating this character, so I can begin to specialize on a particular suit. What would be your equation? We're going to be unbeatable monsters whether you nerf our SP or not. But if you nerf our SP, especially when we already PAID quite a lot for boosters, you better believe we're going to take it out on you in a very extreme manner.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 2457	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:54:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! if they are rebuilding legion from scratch the issues with the current NPE doesn't have anything at all to do with the SP of the players involved. here is a link to a discussion I had about replacing the current pub match system with a mission system that should of helped the NPE. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156098&find=unread I had suggested that with the intention of keeping work to a minimum but if you are rebuilding the whole thing anyway you could probably do 10 times better then that. I saw glimpses of the system I suggested in what was talked about at the legion key notes, regarding choosing missions like salvage and guristas tournaments, that is great and if used right the NPE is nothing to consider at all. players will be facing challenges that they want to face, and that's key, and with PVE then the NPE is fine no matter how much sp anyone has.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 968	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:57:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 This way, Dust elite players could start playing Legion with about 5m sp, which is enough for testing the new game and having some real advantage over the newcomers who didn't play Dust, but still not being unbeatable monsters. In my case, I would start with 1m sp, enough to be happy while recreating this character, so I can begin to specialize on a particular suit. What would be your equation? We're going to be unbeatable monsters whether you nerf our SP or not. But if you nerf our SP, especially when we already PAID quite a lot for boosters, you better believe we're going to take it out on you in a very extreme manner. what if for each DUST booster purchased, you got the equivalent in Legion? *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Nero Fiddle Ametat Security Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:57:00 - [15] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 This way, Dust elite players could start playing Legion with about 5m sp, which is enough for testing the new game and having some real advantage over the newcomers who didn't play Dust, but still not being unbeatable monsters. I have 34 million SP. I stopped playing for about 5 months but kept my Passive SP boosters going. Each one of those 30 day passives cost about 6 dollars. Having them for on for the 15 months I have played, they have earned me 5.4 million SP for my 90 dollars. I am okay with that. Earning 540,000 SP, a shade higher than what a starting account gets, not okay with.
SPESHULz The Southern Legion 126	Posted - 2014.05.05 12:59:00 - [16] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? 99 problems but a code of ethics aint one Blood flows. Death comes. War rages Maths is OP. Those numbers kill you RedLineLove
Joey - Drien Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:08:00 - [17] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. How much is speculation as in "dunno, gotta see", "looks like we can go this way", and "that is obviously the way we are going to go"? You are scaring me CCP. Stahp! cries You are making this fat bastard cry! it is possibly going to be much closer to EVE, dust had the skill system done really badly, too easy to get into anything and too fast, but that is what dust (on ps3) overall is in the end. Any game that is developed on console become easily accesible, fast for quick fun, always limitations.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3027	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:17:00 - [18] - Quote CCP Sabrewing wrote: Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! And since when? I havent seen that in dust so far so what makes you think you can pull this off in Legion? I thought the buisness modell of micro transactions would mean that vets stomp newbs so that their frustration leads to AUR sales. Except if you are going for a subscription modell then you eventually can think about the NPE.
smartlayer What The French Red Whines. 134	Posted - 2014.05.05 13:55:00 - [19] - Quote And what about Dust514 SP transfered little by little to EVE LEGION to avoid a massive "vet monster attack" something like 50k SP / week untill your total of skill point you had in DUST (SP gained in DUST should then stop at a date or something) is reached
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 2578	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:00:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Logibro/Saberwing/Rouge: If you cannot manage to transfer the SP directly, please at least give us a redeemable code to allow us to pick N specialized roles due to being "beta testers" of this game. Where N is arbitrary and might depend on SP in Dust 514, your character-¦s creation date or equivalent. It is the decent thing to do, if there is no direct connection between Dust 514 and EVE: Legion-¦s SP systems. Edit: BTW, will EVE: Legion have fully passive SP like EVE: Online? This is a feature that would be pretty epic. R.I.P. Dust 514. You were a beta. May 2014.

Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 627	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:01:00 - [21] - Quote Joey - Drien wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: CCP Saberwing wrote: Tau Lai wrote: What would be your equation? I really think the equation relies heavily on what the Skill Tree and Progression looks like for Legion. How much is speculation as in "dunno, gotta see", "looks like we can go this way", and "that is obviously the way we are going to go"? You are scaring me CCP. Stahp! cries You are making this fat bastard cry! it is possibly going to be much closer to EVE, dust had the skill system done really badly, too easy to get into anything and too fast, but that is what dust (on ps3) overall is in the end. Any game that is developed on console become easily accesible, fast for quick fun, always limitations. The fact that you can type that obliviously just blows my mind. I hope CCP have more sense.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1704	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:05:00 - [22] - Quote Why not just figure out how fast one earns "progression points" in Legion (once the project is far enough into development) and just simply convert Dust SP into whatever Legion uses at the ratio determined by the rate of acquiration? Say that you earn these points in Legion five times slower than in Dust (numerically speaking). Then everyone's SP from Dust is multiplied by a factor of one-fifth and transferred into Legion. Ideally this should save the time investment people have put into Dust. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Csikszent Mihalyi Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 260	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:08:00 - [23] - Quote smartlayer wrote: And what about Dust514 SP transfered little by little to EVE LEGION to avoid a massive "vet monster attack" something like 50k SP / week untill your total of skill point you had in DUST (SP gained in DUST should then stop at a date or something) is reached I like that, as it would also allow vets to have the new player experience with the new game, just for a shorter time. Should be much shorter though IMO, not because of power level but because a vet will more quickly become bored of playing with limited gear.
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 388	Posted - 2014.05.05 14:11:00 - [24] - Quote The fact is that the game has to be built to support all levels of play at any time. If the game is to be a success there will always be new players that will be at a SP disadvantage (or whatever it turns out to be). There is no need to transfer us at a lower level or a downward conversion if the game is built the way it will need to be to succeed.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 459	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote SteelDark Knight wrote: The fact is that the game has to be built to support all levels of play at any time. If the game is to be a success there will always be new players that will be at a SP disadvantage (or whatever it turns out to be). There is no need to transfer us at a lower level or a downward conversion if the game is built the way it will need to be to succeed. Exactly. If Dust 514 can't keep players because the pubs are too challenging, you can create gear and SP restrictions on matches. Gear restrictions are obvious->low stakes, low payouts, on MLT & STD level matches. You can call it fair, and most will believe it, and they'll at least try again after being killed a few times. I don't personally think restrictions on gear and SP alone will solve the main problems associated with the NPE and their encounters with the veterans...but it would definitely resolve the excuses and other complaints offered up to explain why they're not having enough fun, like when they realize they're still getting stomped by groups of Nyain Chan, they will ask for some sort of protection from squads. With some kind of squadless team deathmatch, those same guys who just want the best gun right off can jump into the shooting action where they can show off their 'skills' without all those tedious force multiplying squad tactics getting in the way of their funtime. Who am I to tell them what a squad-based shooter is supposed to be, as long as they stick around and buy boosters? This is why the NPE needs some easy funtimes, like shooting waves of drones in a squad-based PvE scenario. They learn the different roles, and can see what a rep-tool or eWar scout can add to a squad. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
LEHON Xeon Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 638	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:49:00 - [26] - Quote I said it before and I'll say it again. If CCP does a SP conversion ratio that's not 1:1, such as 1/10 or 1/4, I expect at least a partial Aurum refund on all of the boosters I bought, for that leftover SP I would not be getting. Once again, I will have paid for something I'm not able to use.
Hansei Kaizen The Jackson Five 195	Posted - 2014.05.05 19:58:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. 1000 times this! Also if and when legion comes out (a year maybe?), there will be much more SPs out there to transfer. As if any one of the powergamers would stop buying Boosters. These guys are crazy to invest so much in one game in the first place. You dont just stop being crazy The answer to your complaint is PvE. Always. NPE status: (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Casual solo
Marc Rime 383	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:04:00 - [28] - Quote smartlayer wrote: And what about Dust514 SP transfered little by little to EVE LEGION to avoid a massive "vet monster attack" Is there a need to prevent that? Anyone can create a dust char and have it accumulate passive SP from now until (and if) legion launches. Everyone can be a vet at day one. smartlayer wrote: something like 50k SP / week untill your total of skill point you had in DUST (SP gained in DUST should then stop at a date or something) is reached At that rate, it would take over 13 years before my current SP are fully transferred.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1283	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:05:00 - [29] - Quote so OP wants me to grind again just like in dust? you know how hard it is to get just to 20mil SP? without the use of boosters? so lets say i do join legion and do the tedious grind AGAIN, get to 20mil SP and then have CCP screw me over again. thats a lot of time and effort wasted again. you know how the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. Markdown
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2517	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:17:00 - [30] - Quote I guess I am still just ill at the entire situation but these dev posts are pretty close to being copy and paste of every response from when DUST was being developed two years ago. Nothing new here, only regurgitated answers from two years ago about they are working on it, it is critical, we are listening, we care, we want to make the best experience possible and other things like that. I will believe it when I see it, I gave my trust already and look what happened. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke

Cyrus Militani Leon Conglomerate 35	Posted - 2014.05.05 20:18:00 - [31] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: What about: Legion sp = (Dust sp)/10 Hell no. I want 100% of my progress to be transferable to Legion. I will not accept anything less. I have 10 mil SP and growing. For some reason there is this "need" to hurt high SP players because they are perceived as "monsters". The problem is not how far these players have progressed, but rather the crappy match making system we have now. There is no perfect match making algorithm. If players could choose who they were going to fight, just as they could in EVE, then this wouldn't be a problem. New players would learn quickly to either stay away from fortified corps, side with one, or create their own, which only benefits their growth. Teamwork needs to be highly encouraged for new players. Currently as it stands you get whisked away to some random battle only to be crushed by well organized teams.
smartlayer What The French Red Whines. 136	Posted - 2014.05.06 09:26:00 - [32] - Quote Marc Rime wrote: smartlayer wrote: And what about Dust514 SP transfered little by little to EVE LEGION to avoid a massive "vet monster attack" Is there a need to prevent that? Anyone can create a dust char and have it accumulate passive SP from now until (and if) legion launches. Everyone can be a vet at day one. smartlayer wrote: something like 50k SP / week untill your total of skill point you had in DUST (SP gained in DUST should then stop at a date or something) is reached At that rate, it would take over 13 years before my current SP are fully transferred. perhaps to lower the incredible amount of SP people will have to transfert, we could remove passive skills point (exepts thoses gained with booster bonus) and to avoid the "i created a dust char and never played with it, only to have 30m sp at legion start" and when i say 50k sp / week it's a number to be adjusted
Nevyn Tazinas Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.06 10:24:00 - [33] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: so OP wants me to grind again just like in dust? you know how hard it is to get just to 20mil SP? without the use of boosters? so lets say i do join legion and do the tedious grind AGAIN, get to 20mil SP and then have CCP screw me over again. thats a lot of time and effort wasted again. you know how the saying goes: Fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me. Your right, lets actually use EVE's SP system and remove the grind and all the P2Skill aspects of Dust. It's like paying for free levels on your character in any other MMO, except when there is no max level effectively it allows infinite faster levelling & advantage. So lets just have pure passive SP, no WP SP, no Weekly bonus SP for time in game. That's perfectly fair. After all you will want to play for the isk & the tears & the killing.
HISPANO PROJECT LEGION FUTURE PROJECT LEGION HISPANO CORP 4	Posted - 2014.05.06 10:36:00 - [34] - Quote It is so easy, that way I do not spend my sp and isk real, or its equivalent ... From dust514 the legion ... You do not have to lose me as a player and great buyer's pack and aurums but start a campaign against them nor would I imagine ... As the creator of this post, speak for yourself, which will give you a million sp and give you, but do not talk about others and less of those who have invested real money in our hobby ... Now knowing that the legion, divided into categories of war, depends on its quality, meta, do not you happen to do this post and speak up for the elite players, envious! EVE-LEGION-HISPANO.ES.TL/(^o=)\
Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 133	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:18:00 - [35] - Quote HISPANO PROJECT LEGION wrote: It is so easy, that way I do not spend my sp and isk real, or its equivalent ... From dust514 the legion ... You do not have to lose me as a player and great buyer's pack and aurums but start a campaign against them nor would I imagine ... As the creator of this post, speak for yourself, which will give you a million sp and give you, but do not talk about others and less of those who have invested real money in our hobby ... Now knowing that the legion, divided into categories of war, depends on its quality, meta, do not you happen to do this post and speak up for the elite players, envious! Google translator in its best glory. I can't even barely understand what you are trying to tell me Legion
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7955	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:20:00 - [36] - Quote Tau Lai wrote: Google translator in its best glory. I can't even barely understand what you are trying to tell me And? Do you know how hard it is to write entire paragraphs in something other than your native language? inb4 The Lock!
Tau Lai Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 133	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:23:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Tau Lai wrote: Google translator in its best glory. I can't even barely understand what you are trying to tell me And? Do you know how hard it is to write entire paragraphs in something other than your native language? I am spanish as well. lol Legion
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 1048	Posted - 2014.05.06 11:29:00 - [38] - Quote CCP Saberwing wrote: Atiim wrote: A Player could have 100m SP and it still wouldn't matter if your NPE is done properly. NPE is something we're taking super seriously. It's critical! OMFG , CCP are super serious! it's critical the players are informed exactly when Al Gore lured Man-Bear-Pig into Dusts developments 'D1CK by name' 'D1CK by nature'


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