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Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

DoomLead wrote:

You unveil a new shooter

No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name.

No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID.

They've announced Legion as a new project that's taking over after DUST failed to deliver what they wanted.

The plan had always been for DUST to outlive PS3, but until this announcement, they had been building us up to expect it on the PS4. Also before the announcement, while trading on player expectations of a PS4 version, they got many players to spend money on sales of microtransaction content when they weren't planning to deliver what those players had been told their purchases would be contributing to.

They emphasised a focus on the PS3 while moving most of the dev team AWAY from the PS3 and onto the new project. They had E3 time via Sony promoting the future of DUST 514 on the PS4 and did nothing to suggest that plan would be changing for MONTHS after making the decision. They've been actively pushing sales for people to pay real-world money to help fund a project while LYING to us about the project we're helping to fund.

I'm not at all against the move to PC, but I would prefer that PS4 be the lead platform simply because that's what they had been advertising for so long. If they want to change, though, I'm fine with that. But this announcement, and so much of the circumstances around it, has been a HUGE screwup by a LOT of people.

http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#

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DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 281	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:33:00 - [1] - Quote You unveil a new shooter called legion which basically smacked me in the face i am not a PC gamer nor will I ever be. I bought into Dust514 hook line and sinker I spent money on this game, and was prepared to continue spending money as the game progressed. Even though the game was never completed I still loved it I have met friends from all across the globe and have had countless fun matches win lose or draw. I must say this you are making a huge mistake by making a PC only game because you make more money on consoles with fps games this is why COD (whether its the Playstation or Xbox) outsells every game on PC there is a reason the big time studios dont care about the pc versions of their games its not where the money is at . I guess a sucker is born every minute. PS: while you were busy developing another shooter you could have polished up dust and brought any new ideas to this game everyone responsible for project legion should be fired for misappropriating company time and resources. and this isn't a rant
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1276	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:34:00 - [2] - Quote DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name.
DoomLead Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 281	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:36:00 - [3] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1279	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:41:00 - [4] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5332	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:46:00 - [5] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. They've announced Legion as a new project that's taking over after DUST failed to deliver what they wanted. The plan had always been for DUST to outlive PS3, but until this announcement, they had been building us up to expect it on the PS4. Also before the announcement, while trading on player expectations of a PS4 version, they got many players to spend money on sales of microtransaction content when they weren't planning to deliver what those players had been told their purchases would be contributing to. They emphasised a focus on the PS3 while moving most of the dev team AWAY from the PS3 and onto the new project. They had E3 time via Sony promoting the future of DUST 514 on the PS4 and did nothing to suggest that plan would be changing for MONTHS after making the decision. They've been actively pushing sales for people to pay real-world money to help fund a project while LYING to us about the project we're helping to fund. I'm not at all against the move to PC, but I would prefer that PS4 be the lead platform simply because that's what they had been advertising for so long. If they want to change, though, I'm fine with that. But this announcement, and so much of the circumstances around it, has been a HUGE screwup by a LOT of people.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8322	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:52:00 - [6] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514. I'm both a PC and console gamer. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14013	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:52:00 - [7] - Quote I'd still like to see some links to where CCP has said they planned to move to the PS4 over the PC
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1280	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:53:00 - [8] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNkFxj0G42I Watch this video. Then look me in the eye and tell me that's not Dust 514.
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1762	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:55:00 - [9] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514. A great decision in hindsight. *Users fo
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8322	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:55:00 - [10] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. They've announced Legion as a new project that's taking over after DUST failed to deliver what they wanted. The plan had always been for DUST to outlive PS3, but until this announcement, they had been building us up to expect it on the PS4. Also before the announcement, while trading on player expectations of a PS4 version, they got many players to spend money on sales of microtransaction content when they weren't planning to deliver what those players had been told their purchases would be contributing to. They emphasised a focus on the PS3 while moving most of the dev team AWAY from the PS3 and onto the new project. They had E3 time via Sony promoting the future of DUST 514 on the PS4 and did nothing to suggest that plan would be changing for MONTHS after making the decision. They've been actively pushing sales for people to pay real-world money to help fund a project while LYING to us about the project we're helping to fund. I'm not at all against the move to PC, but I would prefer that PS4 be the lead platform simply because that's what they had been advertising for so long. If they want to change, though, I'm fine with that. But this announcement, and so much of the circumstances around it, has been a HUGE screwup by a LOT of people. Technically, it really is just Dust moved to the PC regardless if they call it a new shooter. If you look at the video, it's literally everything Dust has and should have at this point. Same weapons, same suits, etc. Only with better graphics, better UI, and better immersion with better terrain. That's it. No matter how you see it, it's always going to be seen as Dust ported over to the PC. End of story. Period. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8322	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:56:00 - [11] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNkFxj0G42I Watch this video. Then look me in the eye and tell me that's not Dust 514. This. http://www.digitalspy.com/gaming/news/a568488/dust-514-sees-no-planned-updates-scraps-survival-mode-and-vita-app.html#
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1280	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:57:00 - [12] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514. A great decision in hindsight. Indeed it was. Though I had intended to use it for Dust 514, I ended up playing many other games on it. And I'm a PC gamer! I must be some sort of heretic.
DUST Fiend The Wings of Legion 14013	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:58:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Technically, it really is just Dust moved to the PC regardless if they call it a new shooter. If you look at the video, it's literally everything Dust has and should have at this point. Same weapons, same suits, etc. Only with better graphics, better UI, and better immersion with better terrain. That's it. No matter how you see it, it's always going to be seen as Dust ported over to the PC. End of story. Period. That's all it's supposed to be... DUST...but not bad...
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 482	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:58:00 - [14] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNkFxj0G42I Watch this video. Then look me in the eye and tell me that's not Dust 514. Looks in the eye That's not Dust 514. Do I win?
First Prophet Minmatar Republic 1762	Posted - 2014.05.05 02:58:00 - [15] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: First Prophet wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514. A great decision in hindsight. Indeed it was. Though I had intended to use it for Dust 514, I ended up playing many other games on it. And I'm a PC gamer! I must be some sort of heretic. Some weird peasant hybrid that doesn't belong anywhere. *Users fo
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 903	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:01:00 - [16] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. Yeah not a pc gamer Yeah, and I'm not a console gamer. That didn't stop me from buying a PS3 to play Dust 514. If I can buy a PC for 150$ that can run Legion at least as well as a PS3, then I'll believe what you said makes sense.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1281	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:09:00 - [17] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: DoomLead wrote: You unveil a new shooter No they didn't. They just moved Dust 514 to a new platform under a new name. No, that's what they SHOULD have done, not what they ACTUALLY DID. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNkFxj0G42I Watch this video. Then look me in the eye and tell me that's not Dust 514. Looks in the eye That's not Dust 514. Do I win? No. No you do not.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 5336	Posted - 2014.05.05 03:43:00 - [18] - Quote It's being built in a new engine. It's being built from the ground up. It's being specifically promoted by CCP as a NEW GAME that's being developed while DUST is still being "supported". Look at Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Look at Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 Look me in the eye and tell me those aren't the same game. OH WAIT. THEY AREN'T. Look at Battlefield 3 Look at Battlefield 4 Look me in the eye and tell me those aren't the same game. OH WAIT. THEY AREN'T. Look at Armored Core V Look at Armored Core: Verdict Day Look me in the eye and tell me those aren't the same game. OH WAIT. THEY AREN'T. For any of the above examples, it's possible to find footage that makes the two games look so similar that a casual observer won't know which is which, or even that they're different games. When you dig into the mechanics, or actually play the games for yourself, you can tell they're different, but on the surface, they don't look it. Look at the Skirmish 1.0 closed beta footage that's floating around on YouTube. Look at slightly-less old Chromosome footage. Look at Uprising 1.0 footage. Look at Uprising 1.8 today. Look me in the eye and tell me those are the same game. Wait, what? Yeah. DUST has already been a lot of things, and it SHOULD be what Legion is going to be. But that's not what CCP are planning, and it should be.


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