Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:21:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Why are people more concerned with "DUST is a PC game" rather than "Legion is a separate game and DUST 514 is not going to be what it was promised"? One is a gripe about different machines and another is a gripe about how CCP has no respect for their customers.
Yes, I am going on and on like a broken record about the lack of respect. HOW can you have seen the "DUST 514" keynotes and panel and not feel disrespected? It's not that DUST isn't going to be what it was promised, it's that DUST CAN'T be what was promised. CCP was wrong, they made a mistake, and this is them owning up to it. It certainly sucks and they're going to be dealing with the fallout for a while, particularly how it was announced, but for anyone who got into this game on the original vision: this is what we wanted. I really feel for you console only players, but there is still hope for a PS4 port once Legion is a real game on the PC, so there may be hope for you yet.
I am not a console only player. I pulled my PS3 out of the closet to play DUST. I set it up at my PC in the most screwed up possible so I could just play it without going over to my TV. I am not a "PC gamer" or a "Console gamer"; I play whatever the hell I want if I like regardless of the system.
I still feel like you are missing a bigger point that I am trying to make. I understand that saying that is insulting, and I apologize. Allow me to explain in a different manner, again only with the utmost respect.
Company: "We are working on this product. It is going to have cookies, robots, unicorns, connection to League of Legends, free beer, etc."
Me: "That sounds pretty good. I will support that product." *some time later.*
Me: "This product doesn't have all that. Are you working on it?"
Company: "Yes, we are working on it. It will have it all as we continue to develop it."
Me: "Okay, sounds good."
Company: "Welcome to Company Fest! We are pleased to announce a new product that will have cookies, robots, unicorns, connection to League of Legends, free beer, etc."
Me: "Woah! What about the other product?"
Company: "That product couldn't live up to our promises so we are starting a new project that will."
Me: "What about my money and time?"
Company: *24 hours later* "We will see what we can do."
It is a bait and switch. It has nothing to do "DUST was supposed to be a console game!" for me; it is "this game was supposed to be what it said it was going to be but now it isn't going to be what they said it was going to be and a different product will be what they said this one is going to be."
If I say "buy the red car if you like to go off-roading", you buy the red car but see that it can't go off-roading, are you going to be upset when I say "buy the blue car if you like to go off-roading; red car is something we will work on"?
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
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Posted - 2014.05.04 04:39:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
I'm not arguing any of that, and I've said time and time again this past day that CCP couldn't have possibly handled this worse.
All I'm saying is that if the DUST IP is to succeed, it needs to be moved to PC for development. We NEED Legion. I don't know what can be done for console only players who poured money into DUST hoping it would somehow break free of the constraints of the PS3 and become something more. All I can say is that I hope for a PS4 port soon, so console gamers can get in on the action and keep their characters as the game evolves.
I'm not trying to defend CCPs actions leading up to this point, I'm merely agreeing that moving forward, this is what has to be done.
"DUST IP to succeed" is the problem I have. If Legion was just DUST right now, warts and boils, I wouldn't care. Same game, great; really lame for console only guys but the game will move on. But it is a different game. That's my problem. I put money and time into Red Car to do X but really Red Car can't do X despite being told by the company it was meant to do X.
IF! Legion is just DUST 514 on the PC, everything transfer, it is a necessary evil like you are saying. That I would agree with. DUST 514 needed to be on the PC from the start; CCP knows more about PC coding and consoles are just not quite there yet for that kind of ambition (but they will be someday). However, everything we have seen so far is just that Legion is a different game. This means that CCP lied to us all.
"People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
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