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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3196	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:00:00 - [1] - Quote The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Regis Blackbird DUST University Ivy League 168	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:03:00 - [2] - Quote +1 Well, said. Let the cooler heads prevail, and we might see Legion on both PC and PS4. If we continue to rage, we might not see it at all...
Beld Errmon 1633	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:03:00 - [3] - Quote now now, don't go throwing words like reason around, you might hurt someone, besides this tantrum is absolutely the most amusing group behaviour I've ever observed, well besides ppl chasing a wheel of cheese down a hill. Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Onesimus Tarsus 703rd Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 1971	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:05:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? You know, he's got a point... Naaah. Rage on! Battlefield 1943. Running since 2009. I'm diskinetic, BTW.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 12	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:05:00 - [5] - Quote bump-aroonie "Tossin uplinks and runnin fer my life" ~ Gunny blownapart "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
DARK - IMPULSE Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 71	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:06:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? CUTE, but no. The patience and calmness are over. Chaos and toxicity are reasonable because this is game is DEAD.
Isaa Quade Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 337	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:07:00 - [7] - Quote when CCP wants to stop being nuts and listen to reason, we will too. My reaction to Legion
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 3196	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:07:00 - [8] - Quote And I'd just like to add, this is a great community. I enjoy playing with you jerks, and the jerks from my corp. both you and then helped me get though a really bad patch in my life. Hell, I made some friends through dust. Something I've never done in a video game before. QuickGloves is not a well liked guy, and a lot if us still sent our support and tried to help where we could. I'm not the most well liked/knowed guy, and I'm am not the best player(understatement) but I still feel like I'm a member of a real community. We aren't EVE, we are Dust. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 365	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:11:00 - [9] - Quote Your list is incomplete. I'm a Dust player who never played an FPS with dual-analog setup before, because it's completely deluded to play an FPS like that. I still did because of the vision. I have no issue with a PC version, as long as it won't have ****** system requirements like Planetside 2. And, knowing CCP, it totally will. Note that my PC can run Crysis decently at medium to high settings, while Planetside completely fucks itself over. The issue here is not the PC version. It's what the they did to the community: - Make a keynote that essentially consists of " you" after hyping up that and claiming that all Dust players should be eager to see the keynote - Selling multiple batches of Omega boosters in the time preceeding fanfest - Giving no information whatsoever about Dust's future. Legion is obviously not ready to go, but it's also obvious that they aren't planning on doing anymore significant patching for Dust. "We will still support it" my ass. That's obviously just a phrase to calm the community down. I LIKE what they've shown of Legion. But I won't ever be touching a CCP title again. ** you.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1742	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote F YOU!!! CEO Whiskey squad leader, E9 Once Bitten Twice Shy....

Hecarim Van Hohen 1303	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:14:00 - [11] - Quote DARK - IMPULSE wrote: CUTE, but no. The patience and calmness are over. Chaos and toxicity are reasonable because this is game is DEAD. So you keep on doing what this community has been doing for 2 years? I do agree with the OP, we've been here for 2 years, we won't even notice 2 weeks "Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads." -CCP Logibro t¢«
DUST Fiend Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 13844	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:15:00 - [12] - Quote For once I'm actually finally excited for the future of "DUST" It's been a long time since I've had a sense of hope in terms of "this" game, but they've done it. What they really need to work on is their **** poor communication, their over eagerness to keep things quiet to push sales, and their lack of commitment ALREADY to this new project. CCP needs to dive head first into Legion. DUST is DEAD Long live Legion
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1537	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:16:00 - [13] - Quote If there was an indication that they wanted to interact, perhaps people would be calmer. We haven't seen that yet, the thread started by Rogue is left unanswered. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special. Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
Alex-P-Keaton Kramer Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 231	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote under my leadership and guidance people like the TC would be removed, forever Former MAG player, unfortunate dust victim, out of work, will kill for food.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 692	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:17:00 - [15] - Quote I'm personally very happy with the decision. I invested somewhat into Dust, along the lines of some 500 bucks. The only game that has cost me comparably was EVE, and I thought I'll contribute as much as I can to make this the game I want along EVE. Even if all of that was taken behind the barn and shot to make way for Legion, I'd be happy. I'd be happy that CCP gets another chance and a fresh start to make this game work. A complete re-branding is needed to dump the name of Dust that carries a dooming sound of failure. Dust needs to be forgotten in order for future potential players to take a look at Legion past the horrible critique of past launch. While sounding overly negative, I personally loved Dust for what it had potential for. Chromosome was one of the best games I had played, with all the anticipation of the launch build. Uprising killed it all in one fell swoop. Reverting back to the Chromosome stage on PC allows for another chance at doing Uprising 2.0, and this time CCP might get it completely right and ressurrect the game. Ressurrection won't work on failed games if the name carries a taint of failure, though, and for CCP to go "Legion" instead of "Dust 514 II" is a convincingly good call. CCP has full grasp of the reality, and the reset looks much more beliveable with the name change. I just might throw cash at it again... if not for anything else, just for the fits of tantrum if it fails.
Virojakal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:18:00 - [16] - Quote I say we riot so that future crooks understand that this behavior will not be tolerated of them. I say we put a reverent fear into game developers so deep, that when one of them even thinks of screwing the gaming community over that he/she/they are shunned by their own brethren. A lot of these so called game developers have no respect for the consumer. You will have a handful or more of devs that do. In the end their boss's are only concerned with what raises the bottom line out of the red. It's a crap rolls down hill policy. The underlings fear the wrath of the overlord watchers, and in turn develop crap content for a quickly produced under scrutinized copy of the last version of the latest gimmick ( xbox, sony, call of duty,battlefield 3-4, legion, justin bieber, etc, etc). This Dust / Legion scam is just the remix of an old snatch n grab routine. I feel like a magician just told me how his trick was done.
Hairy Butter Fairy Fleet 75	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:19:00 - [17] - Quote I am a pc player who bought a ps3 for Dust, I am extatic about Legion, but sad about CCP being arrogant dicks and ******* fanfest up for alot of people. CCP are like idiot savants sometimes and CCP Rouge obviously comes from a more toxic corporate culture, he must learn or leave.
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 693	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: For once I'm actually finally excited for the future of "DUST" It's been a long time since I've had a sense of hope in terms of "this" game, but they've done it. What they really need to work on is their **** poor communication, their over eagerness to keep things quiet to push sales, and their lack of commitment ALREADY to this new project. CCP needs to dive head first into Legion. In a sense, headshotting the PS3 community through lack of communication, along the name of Dust 514 is "thoroughly composed" and one of the best bits about this reset. BURN IT UNTIL IT DIES
Lanius Pulvis Bullet Cluster Lokun Listamenn 241	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:25:00 - [19] - Quote To an extent I agree, but the past has shown that raging gets their attention. I think our only real option is to have reasoned discussions alongside the vitriol. I for one am anticipating that the backlash will cause CCp to accelerate any development of a PA version of Legion. If they do that and keep it For I would probably go back to buying boosters. Sadly I think it is obvious that DUST support will only continue til Legion launch, so we need to make the most of this window of opportunity to have input on Legion. If you think about it, Sony should be interested in cajoling them into a PA version as well. Then everyone would need a PS+ membership as well as the cut they get from AUR sales. Not new, just new to you.
Hawk-eye Occultus ARKOMBlNE 154	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:26:00 - [20] - Quote Be honest, how long does the PS3 have left anyway? The Seventh Generation of Games consoles has been going on for, what, 8 years? We're already 2 years into Gen 8. The truth is: Knowing that I may soon die for real, I find that, for the first time in... Years? I'm Scared...

Dr PepperPoP Bragian Order Amarr Empire 699	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:26:00 - [21] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? Uhm, not let us get knocked down? We've been replaced. You have all the right to kick scream and rage, you were just lied too and back stabbed. And there is NO HOPE FOR RECOVERY. Be upset people, let CCP know this bullshit is ENOUGH.
Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 331	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:36:00 - [22] - Quote Dust isn't dead by any means. We have at least 2 more years of play out of it. I haven't seen any reports - other than unsubstantiated kneejerk reactions here on the forums - saying Dust isn't going to be updated(the only thing I've seen confirmed is that there will be no drone PvE in Dust). Legion is an alpha with fairly obvious optinization issues and probably only one map thus far(you can remove detail from a map fairly easily, adding it takes a lot of time). That being said I would have liked Dust514 and Legion presentations separated.
tribal wyvern Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 993	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:42:00 - [23] - Quote What grinds MY gears is the fact we've DEFENDED this garbage since closed beta! All the nay sayers joining dust and tearing it down, to which we all replied 'give it time, it will get better ITS IN BETA'. Then the PC players demanding that ccp abandon dust on ps3 and move to PC, to which we all replied 'dust will NEVER go to PC! You pc players have eve...we console players have dust, get used to it' Now who looks like the fools?
trollsroyce Ametat Security Amarr Empire 695	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:44:00 - [24] - Quote Lanius Pulvis wrote: To an extent I agree, but the past has shown that raging gets their attention. I think our only real option is to have reasoned discussions alongside the vitriol. I for one am anticipating that the backlash will cause CCp to accelerate any development of a PS4 version of Legion. If they do that and keep it For I would probably go back to buying boosters. Sadly I think it is obvious that DUST support will only continue til Legion launch, so we need to make the most of this window of opportunity to have input on Legion. If you think about it, Sony should be interested in cajoling them into a PS4 version as well. Then everyone would need a PS+ membership as well as the cut they get from AUR sales. The PC port with a rebranding to get rid of the Dust514 name looks very much like a "phoenix" contigency to me. PS3 didn't work out but CCP has a launched game. CCP burns the PS3 version down, saving as much cash as possible during the twilight season, and then goes all in on providing a full trio of New Eden games on PC: EVE Legion Valkyrie This is an all-in call to make a sustainable sandbox universe, as EVE is inevitably going to suffer from player retention issues any aging game suffers. The gambit is to make the three games ultimately support each other and to get everything possible out of the link, to keep it running. PLEX is probably going to be an universal asset, or rather AURUM. Invest in CCP games, buy CCP AURUM, play in the CCP environment which is New Eden. Sony, for reference, is doing the same with SOE accounts and multipass (leeloo voice).
Virojakal Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:46:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: And I'd just like to add, this is a great community. I enjoy playing with you jerks, and the jerks from my corp. both you and then helped me get though a really bad patch in my life. Hell, I made some friends through dust. Something I've never done in a video game before. QuickGloves is not a well liked guy, and a lot if us still sent our support and tried to help where we could. I'm not the most well liked/knowed guy, and I'm am not the best player(understatement) but I still feel like I'm a member of a real community. We aren't EVE, we are Dust. This community you speak of, ....... most of it came from MAG. MAG was a great game with great potential. Sony shutdown operations on MAG which resulted int he end of the game. Dust is going through a similar transition, so this community has felt this pain already. Quickgloves, and a ton of people can tell you exactly who I am because I have been playing with this community since 2005. In that time this "community" has suffered the loss of many great games such as Dust, and MAG. If you understood the various issues that have plagued these gamers you may see your stance on the anti raise hell a bit differently. I see a request for a release of our funds via class action law suit coming. Even shot down I see a challenge coming from somewhere. You do not develop a large fan base without coming across a couple lawyers , or investigators of some sorts. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I heard quoted once, or twice. CCP understood there would be blow back, and at some point a convo took place about said blowback. The result of that convo was just revealed, and the impression implied was that they do not give a damn how we feel about it.
Piraten Hovnoret Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 559	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:48:00 - [26] - Quote Dude I earned the right to rage STFU War never changes
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 14637	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:51:00 - [27] - Quote May I also ask please STOP ATTACKING OTHER DUST PLAYERS. If they want to support legion let them, but they had nothing do with a wild legion appearing in the tall fanfest grass. Forums used Rage it was super effective. CCP Rouge is stunned. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
The Noob Destroyer Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 516	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:51:00 - [28] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? What did you expect would happen after my main got biomassed? The Real GJR Don't try to be a great man, just be a man and let history make its own judgement.
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 1319	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:56:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: May I also ask please STOP ATTACKING OTHER DUST PLAYERS. If they want to support legion let them, but they had nothing do with a wild legion appearing in the tall fanfest grass. Forums used Rage it was super effective. CCP Rouge is stunned. I thought that was the heart of Dust, PvP... Nos Nothi for Life
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Containment Unit 700	Posted - 2014.05.03 21:57:00 - [30] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The environment is becoming toxic and we aren't listing to reason. Yes, we all feel betrayed and they presented this in the worst way possible. The only people who are happy are PC players who never played dust or PC players who bought a ps3 just for now. The rest of us are kind of left in the muck. We console players may or may not see a Legion ps4 release and it's upsetting, I for one have done my share of boo-hooing and raging. We can't let this knock us down, we need to come calm down and talk with the respective DEVs and other CCP members instead of just jumping from conclusion to conclusion and acting like animals. Frankly, I'm not a PC gamer and probably never will be, I'm just as upset by all this as you guys are. But making this a vicious and toxic environment, where no DEV would set foot is the worst thing we can do at this point. Let's wait, then judge. We've given the game 2 years, what's 2 weeks? If you weren't so good at killing then I might just listen to you ... but , you do have a point . You are a awesome scout though . Stop asking for tiercide , your killing variety and the fun of this game at the same dam time .



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