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hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 312	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:30:00 - [1] - Quote Alright so I'm gonna set aside my issues with dust 514, and CCP, to take a serious look at legion. I watched the Legion progression system video multiple times, trying to fully understand what the plan was. Do not do this CCP, scrap the progression changes and for once look to your community for this. There have been countless quality suggestions on how to make the progression system work better, made by the community, with out completely abandoning the things that make it great. The system set forth in the fanfest video is a bad fan reaction away from spiraling down to cod levels of meaningless. The changes to the progression system are an insult to this player base you have outright ignored your most active members and done the exact opposite, and in the end made for a worse game that might as well be a carbon copy of every other mmo. I wanna make a joke about tab targeting and elves but I'm half afraid you might think its a good idea. In all seriousness legion made me take a second look, and then I moved right on to other things as soon as I saw that it was business as usual, of not only ignoring your player base and not giving use the information to be helpful to the dev team, but doing the exact opposite of what the community has asked for. I understand that some times you have to make choices that are counter to the communities wishs for the betterment of the product but making dust into a cookie cutter MMO is not the right path to head down.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 2681	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:32:00 - [2] - Quote looking forward to Legion failing as bad as Dust did. Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II // MAG Vet Gallente Neutron Rifle
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 944	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:34:00 - [3] - Quote Dropsuits need to have more variety and dropsuit progression needs to be identical to EVE's spaceship progression. It's that simple. CCP already has an excellent system in EVE. For DUST/Legion they've taken the brave move of ignoring EVE's amazing system. EDIT: And yes, the only thing that stood out during the Progression presentation was how 'things are too complicated' or 'too hidden' or 'not easy to see.' It really made me feel like CCP thinks we're a bunch of morons struggling to find the light of PC gaming. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 179	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:36:00 - [4] - Quote Do you really think that just because its moved to pc that these guys will do better this time? Playing the game badly since Replication
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 4496	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:38:00 - [5] - Quote Seamie Schmoove wrote: Do you really think that just because its moved to pc that these guys will do better this time? probably not, but at least it'll look prettier this time around. Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Seamie Schmoove Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 180	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:41:00 - [6] - Quote gbghg wrote: Seamie Schmoove wrote: Do you really think that just because its moved to pc that these guys will do better this time? probably not, but at least it'll look prettier this time around. Yup, always wanted to run around one of those shed things in high def:... Playing the game badly since Replication
Vell0cet Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad. 1552	Posted - 2014.05.03 14:53:00 - [7] - Quote I completely agree. The planned progression system is terrible. It's abandoning the principles that made DUST great and differentiated it in the market from other FPS games. The idea of the EVE-based skill tree is a huge part of what made DUST awesome. You gain a lot of power quickly, with linear improvment for exponential SP. i think CCP Shanghai is going to really struggle to compete head-to-head as a more "assessible" FPS, with other products like COD, PS2, Destiny, and BF. Their team is much smaller, and they don't have the budget, experience or resources to compete in this space. They were better off targeting the more nice market of an MMORPGFPS for players looking for something truly deep. There are many practical ways to improve the existing skill progression system (look at the ISIS system in EVE). I'm planning on writing a detailed post on this. Best PvE idea ever!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 314	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:06:00 - [8] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: I completely agree. The planned progression system is terrible. It's abandoning the principles that made DUST great and differentiated it in the market from other FPS games. The idea of the EVE-based skill tree is a huge part of what made DUST awesome. You gain a lot of power quickly, with linear improvment for exponential SP. i think CCP Shanghai is going to really struggle to compete head-to-head as a more "assessible" FPS, with other products like COD, PS2, Destiny, and BF. Their team is much smaller, and they don't have the budget, experience or resources to compete in this space. They were better off targeting the more nice market of an MMORPGFPS for players looking for something truly deep. There are many practical ways to improve the existing skill progression system (look at the ISIS system in EVE). I'm planning on writing a detailed post on this. thank you much better said.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Dirt Nap Squad. 1585	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote did the suit progression and concept look SHOCKINGLY like battlefield? eatsbabies cienfuegos steward of the renegade alliance.
Asha Starwind 873	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:12:00 - [10] - Quote Could some link to the vid I've been looking for it with no luck. Mad Bomber - 50% less profile Return dumbfire to Swarms

Khan Hun Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 118	Posted - 2014.05.03 15:16:00 - [11] - Quote I'm also looking forward to legion, pissed about how it was all handled though. I share your concern it is being dumbed down, my hope is that they make it simple to understand and with very clear UI elements to present choices like skills and fittings, but that the choices themselves are complex and deep. It would be a big mistake to dumb it down when PC players tend to enjoy more complexity than console gamers do.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 317	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:04:00 - [12] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Could some link to the vid I've been looking for it with no luck, if what's being said here is true I am severely disappointed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxhrGVv0NuQ
Ducttape Tinker Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 84	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:05:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: looking forward to Legion failing as bad as Dust did. Yup same pray here boyo "Just return back to see how this dust falling in to rust."
Sete Clifton PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 404	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:09:00 - [14] - Quote At this point, it's just like any other game that is announced. What they've shown so far looked good, but that's only because it was being compared to Dust. Relative to other shooters (and the gaming market as a whole) there hasn't been anything said or shown about it that makes me really want it. But again, I understand it's early in development. If it's a good game at launch, I'll think about playing it. That being said, I won't forget how CCP handled this.
DUST Fiend Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 13857	Posted - 2014.05.03 22:10:00 - [15] - Quote I'm excited that DUST finally has the chance to become a real game. They grow up so fast. LONG LIVE LEGION!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 318	Posted - 2014.05.04 06:22:00 - [16] - Quote yea I don't know about that dust fiend, maybe a really bad game, I hope they realize the mistake that the new progression system is before they waste too much more time with it.
Gaelon Thrace Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 335	Posted - 2014.05.04 06:58:00 - [17] - Quote I think it's an overall improvement over what we have now.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 318	Posted - 2014.05.04 07:04:00 - [18] - Quote Gaelon Thrace wrote: I think it's an overall improvement over what we have now. care to expand on that?? I am admittedly biased by the fact that most every one I know has the same opinion as me, I'm genuinely curious why you think this is an improvement.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 631	Posted - 2014.05.04 07:35:00 - [19] - Quote Seamie Schmoove wrote: Do you really think that just because its moved to pc that these guys will do better this time? Yes considering the limitation consoles have '#PCMasterRace
deezy dabest Warpoint Sharx 431	Posted - 2014.05.04 07:51:00 - [20] - Quote Vin Vicious wrote: Seamie Schmoove wrote: Do you really think that just because its moved to pc that these guys will do better this time? Yes considering the limitation consoles have Limitations do not cause ** code. _________________**



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