DUST Search - Thoughts on EVE Legion & fate of Dust

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

I calmed down after the initial "Dust is being ported to PC" feeling of abandonment, I realized it was the right move.

We have to face it, it had to be Done. Dust 514 is a failure on PS3, and the PS3 is not only outdated, but also becoming irrelevant with the coming of nextgen consoles. Rebuilding Dust as EVE Legion on a more powerful platform where it can truly achieve its goals that we have all wanted.
EVE Valkyrie started off as a prototype on PC, but it will release on PS4 as well. Likewise it is very possible that this is the goal for EVE Legion as well; during the question segment of the progression presentation at Fanfest, CCP mentioned the possibility of Legion coming to nextgen consoles. It should be relatively easy to port legion from PC to PS4 given how PC-like the PS4 is, so I think there is a very good chance that 1 or 2 Fanfests from now we may see a Legion on PS4 announcement (I know its just speculation).

What CCP did wrong:

The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on consoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust.

There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion.

If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums.

Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard.

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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10723	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:12:00 - [1] - Quote I calmed down after the initial "Dust is being ported to PC" feeling of abandonment, I realized it was the right move. We have to face it, it had to be Done. Dust 514 is a failure on PS3, and the PS3 is not only outdated, but also becoming irrelevant with the coming of nextgen consoles. Rebuilding Dust as EVE Legion on a more powerful platform where it can truly achieve its goals that we have all wanted. EVE Valkyrie started off as a prototype on PC, but it will release on PS4 as well. Likewise it is very possible that this is the goal for EVE Legion as well; during the question segment of the progression presentation at Fanfest, CCP mentioned the possibility of Legion coming to nextgen consoles. It should be relatively easy to port legion from PC to PS4 given how PC-like the PS4 is, so I think there is a very good chance that 1 or 2 Fanfests from now we may see a Legion on PS4 announcement (I know its just speculation). What CCP did wrong: The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on cosoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust. There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion. If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums. Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 13360	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:15:00 - [2] - Quote I'm just happy to have that gaming time freed up for other things. No sense wasting time in DUST when the only reason I was here was for the persistence. Either we port to Legion and I have enough SP to make a badass merc, or we're forced to start over, and it doesn't matter. Assuming I even bother with CCP games in the future, though, at least Legion does look cool, from what little I've managed to see so far. My Music Videos & Fan Fiction Incubus, Gallente Proud
Chris F2112 Pradox One Proficiency V. 581	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:16:00 - [3] - Quote It isn't that they are abandoning dust on ps3, it's that they are going on like this game never existed at all. Don't give me some crap about how they are different games. Anyone with half a brain can see that isn't the case.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 9276	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:17:00 - [4] - Quote My panic button has been pressed already. I can't reverse it Anyway, it's a MAJOR communication fuckup, and I do mean MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJOR, like 2011 Incarna levels. Overlord of all humans CAT MERC
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 818	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:19:00 - [5] - Quote ive been saying this for weeks, i actually demanded id be done with this game if something radical wasnt announced at fanfest like starting over completely and kill this game, firing the shanghai team and apologizing to the community, refunding etc etc. so im not surprised. im surprised at how shady theyve handled it. no clear answers. announcing a new game and only talking about it during the dust keynotes. this is what they did wrong. the cpm knew and didnt tell anyone or even leak it. lol at your nda, you have a responsibility to the players you represent. now hours later, no word from devs, forums are burning like rome, and ccps just at fanfest drinking and ignoring the dust community. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 414	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:19:00 - [6] - Quote Agreed with all except the PS4 first statement . It does make sense why they went PC first .... because then the game would be optimized and debugged for a variety of PC setups ... which will then make it easier to bring to the PS4 which is relatively static. That said they ultimately MUST make those 2 commitments . That and a heartfelt apology . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 258	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:22:00 - [7] - Quote Didn't catch it in the "keynote", but will Legion be F2P? CCP --> 8=======D (( <-- their customers' a$$es
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10724	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:26:00 - [8] - Quote CRNWLLC wrote: Didn't catch it in the "keynote", but will Legion be F2P? I want to say yes... but I can't remember where I heard it, or if I heard it at all. Legion is still an early prototype, so it might not even be decided yet. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:32:00 - [9] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I calmed down after the initial "Dust is being ported to PC" feeling of abandonment, I realized it was the right move. We have to face it, it had to be Done. Dust 514 is a failure on PS3, and the PS3 is not only outdated, but also becoming irrelevant with the coming of nextgen consoles. Rebuilding Dust as EVE Legion on a more powerful platform where it can truly achieve its goals that we have all wanted. EVE Valkyrie started off as a prototype on PC, but it will release on PS4 as well. Likewise it is very possible that this is the goal for EVE Legion as well; during the question segment of the progression presentation at Fanfest, CCP mentioned the possibility of Legion coming to nextgen consoles. It should be relatively easy to port legion from PC to PS4 given how PC-like the PS4 is, so I think there is a very good chance that 1 or 2 Fanfests from now we may see a Legion on PS4 announcement (I know its just speculation). What CCP did wrong: The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on cosoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust. There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion. If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums. Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard. Some of this stuff is probably true I knew that Dust in its current state won't be able to do the sandbox experience some people on these forums was fantasying about it probably would have been easier if they started from the get go that way. But I didn't think this would happen though ah well. One thing I don't get is that project legion won't happen for a few years or more and the fact the it seems that dust 514 will not get the somethings that was promised either, so I don't see a real reason to keep this game running . A lot of people are discouraged so population is going to drop and therefor less revenue. And if and when Legion does come out why play dust?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8244	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:35:00 - [10] - Quote Regardless, my character is going into cold storage until CCP figures out how to port over my PS3 character stats into the PC. At this point, I'm just going to be posting on the forums and not play from here on out just to see how things go. Hell, I'm not even motivated anymore to get the daily login bonus. At this point I have come to the conclusion and the hard truth that Dust wasn't going to thrive very well in the PS3 anyways. The PS3 will only remain relevant for 2 more years (at best) before the entire PS3 market just disappears as a result of the PS4. There is also the fact that in order to get the full realization of the entire Dust experience, the game needs to be on a platform that is both flexible and enduring and the only platform that can achieve that is the PC. In fact, the vast majority of the problems we have on the PS3 can be resolved by the PC. Lag being one of them since now CCP can connect the PC version of Dust more directly to their servers without having to rely on battle servers like we do now and without having to rely on Sony to provide the connection. There is also the fact that the PC version of Dust seems to operate on its own unique engine that is separate from the Unreal 3 engine. It's almost like it's operating on the same engine as that of Eve Online. Overall, I will likely try out Legion when it comes out and I will still play Eve Online. I'm just feeling bummed out right now that Dust on the PS3 has no future anymore and that countless console players who don't want to use a PC for gaming will be left out. In a way, I envy those who waited for World of Darkness. They didn't have to go through what we suffered before their long-awaited game got shut down. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2013	Posted - 2014.05.02 19:39:00 - [11] - Quote I agree, it's so easy that even a child can understand that DUST don't have a long life on PS3, hardware is obsolete, maybe CCP are not the best PS3 programmers but they have tried to do something and between love and hate, we have appreciated their work, the natural evolution for DUST is Legion and the natural evolution for PS3 is PS4, i think that nobody can say "i want legion on PS3" because it's technically impossible. A natural evolution from PS3 to PS4 would not have shocked the community that much. If CCP say: "We are developing on PS4 too" all the hate will become excitement. The unnamed new build it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes.. Bròt Ninè
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10727	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:37:00 - [12] - Quote I still wish they showed some new items or something. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 288	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:40:00 - [13] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: What CCP did wrong: The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on consoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust. There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion. If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums. Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard. Pretty much this. The Keynote should be about Dust getting some stuff and rehashing the year. Legion should be at the CCP Presents session with an "upgrade" path from Dust (at least hinted at). No upgrade path, means Dust is meaningless and isn't worth any new dime.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10730	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:49:00 - [14] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: What CCP did wrong: The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on consoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust. There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion. If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums. Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard. Pretty much this. The Keynote should be about Dust getting some stuff and rehashing the year. Legion should be at the CCP Presents session with an "upgrade" path from Dust (at least hinted at). No upgrade path, means Dust is meaningless and isn't worth any new dime. Yeah, I think the CCP presents would have been a better time to show it. It would have been nice to see them talking about content and features to improve the current Dust before showing Legion. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 47	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:53:00 - [15] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: I calmed down after the initial "Dust is being ported to PC" feeling of abandonment, I realized it was the right move. We have to face it, it had to be Done. Dust 514 is a failure on PS3, and the PS3 is not only outdated, but also becoming irrelevant with the coming of nextgen consoles. Rebuilding Dust as EVE Legion on a more powerful platform where it can truly achieve its goals that we have all wanted. EVE Valkyrie started off as a prototype on PC, but it will release on PS4 as well. Likewise it is very possible that this is the goal for EVE Legion as well; during the question segment of the progression presentation at Fanfest, CCP mentioned the possibility of Legion coming to nextgen consoles. It should be relatively easy to port legion from PC to PS4 given how PC-like the PS4 is, so I think there is a very good chance that 1 or 2 Fanfests from now we may see a Legion on PS4 announcement (I know its just speculation). What CCP did wrong: The Legion prototype should have been built on PS4, and not PC. If not that there should have been a statement indicating commitment and intentions to bring Legion to PS4. The Dust community consists of console gamers, and we deserve to know that the game we invested so much time, effort, and money into would have a future on consoles; I shouldn't have to completely switch my style of gaming just see the future of Dust. There should have been a commitment or guarantee to making sure we will be able to transfer our Dust characters and our skill points to Legion. If these 2 things happened, there would not be this panic on the forums. Another disappointment that has been overshadowed by the EVE Legion thing is lack of item content shown. It would have softened the blow of the EVE Legion thing if we could say "well, at least we're getting those sweet new heavy weapon in Dust", or something. Last Fanfest brought us so many new toys, this one fails in this regard. They built a console game and port it to PC, what a bunch of geniuses. Console players will be console players, they will move onto PS4 and not PC. PC games are a secondary thing to the mega money developers put into Xbox and playstation. New gamers play consoles, they aren't going to go to PC they will just pick a different gsme.
RolyatDerTeufel 1760	Posted - 2014.05.02 21:58:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm just happy to have that gaming time freed up for other things. No sense wasting time in DUST when the only reason I was here was for the persistence. Either we port to Legion and I have enough SP to make a badass merc, or we're forced to start over, and it doesn't matter. Assuming I even bother with CCP games in the future, though, at least Legion does look cool, from what little I've managed to see so far. QFT Twitch.TV Live Stream YouTube Channel
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10740	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:26:00 - [17] - Quote I haven't decided if I'm quitting Dust yet, I guess it depends on if new content is still planned for Dust: racial vehicles, racial heavy weapon, weapons in general, maps, racial map outposts (we have zero Minmatar or Amarr outposts) Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Cotsy The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2014.05.03 03:29:00 - [18] - Quote Dust is going to get lots of new content, but it will be a beta testing method for legion. I fully expect many things, but more than likely a player market and pve will not occur. You wouldn't want to confuse all the 35 year olds on eve to which game will be effecting their precious world.
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 946	Posted - 2014.05.03 06:32:00 - [19] - Quote What they did wrong was no showing ANYTHING on DUST 514. The keynote was effectively "the true dream will be realised on PC, ** off you console gamers hoping to see contents of 1.9 onwards." They didn't have ANY answers for people's concerns, just "we will of course keep working on DUST 514" but as it has already been cast as a product that can't fulfil the design it's not very comforting. The rest of the keynote should have talked about what they're doing for DUST and the subsequent presentations should have been labeled "Legion: Progression" instead of further rubbing salt in the wounds. Not talking about DUST 514 was a *** move and many of the community who beta tested your PC lovechild feel like they were just spat in the face, myself included. I don't have ANY desire to invest my time or money into this game because I have no idea how that will be translated into Legion. I was looking forward to maxing out all Minmatar stuff now I think I'll just play FFXIV instead cause I know I won't lose that. Seriously CCP, I was among the staunchest of supporters and optimists but FF was a ***** disaster and you should know that your community feels shat on. I've lost a lot of respect for you as a company and don't know to what extent I'll continue engaging with and caring about your products. Edit: btw, I agree that this was absolutely the best step for the game to be able to realise it's potential and Atli mar has said that they would love to move it to next (current) gen consoles but that they have to start on PC (given the PC nature of console architecture this isn't far fetched either) and they have also said that they will do whatever they can to bring our 'footprints' with us...but the execution at FF is what I found to be disasterous. I was litterally GOBSMACKED at the end of the keynote when it cut to ads then EVE TV. We should have had DUST 514 info CCP, that was low. Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 7/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL - eWar Merc
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 10749	Posted - 2014.05.04 03:43:00 - [20] - Quote COVERT SUBTERFUGE wrote: What they did wrong was no showing ANYTHING on DUST 514. The keynote was effectively "the true dream will be realised on PC, ** off you console gamers hoping to see contents of 1.9 onwards." They didn't have ANY answers for people's concerns, just "we will of course keep working on DUST 514" but as it has already been cast as a product that can't fulfil the design it's not very comforting. The rest of the keynote should have talked about what they're doing for DUST and the subsequent presentations should have been labeled "Legion: Progression" instead of further rubbing salt in the wounds. Not talking about DUST 514 was a *** move and many of the community who beta tested your PC lovechild feel like they were just spat in the face, myself included. I don't have ANY desire to invest my time or money into this game because I have no idea how that will be translated into Legion. I was looking forward to maxing out all Minmatar stuff now I think I'll just play FFXIV instead cause I know I won't lose that. Seriously CCP, I was among the staunchest of supporters and optimists but FF was a *** disaster and you should know that your community feels shat on. I've lost a lot of respect for you as a company and don't know to what extent I'll continue engaging with and caring about your products. Edit: btw, I agree that this was absolutely the best step for the game to be able to realise it's potential and Atli mar has said that they would love to move it to next (current) gen consoles but that they have to start on PC (given the PC nature of console architecture this isn't far fetched either) and they have also said that they will do whatever they can to bring our 'footprints' with us...but the execution at FF is what I found to be disasterous. I was litterally GOBSMACKED at the end of the keynote when it cut to ads then EVE TV. We should have had DUST 514 info CCP, that was low. I agree, the lack of any plans for Dust shown is pretty messed up. They say they still have development stuff planned for Dust, but its hard to take them seriously when they showed none of it; Fanfest is when they're supposed to show such plans. I was really hoping for Minmatar LAVs to drive around in, or at least an an Amarr mid-range heavy weapon. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt** Gû¦Gû+

CRNWLLC Screwy Rabbit ULC 263	Posted - 2014.05.05 16:14:00 - [21] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: CRNWLLC wrote: Didn't catch it in the "keynote", but will Legion be F2P? I want to say yes... but I can't remember where I heard it, or if I heard it at all. Legion is still an early prototype, so it might not even be decided yet. Yeah, I keep hearing "project this" and "maybe produce that". To quote the Dust 514 executive producer Jean-Charles Gaudechon, "The game isn't even a game, not yet. It's more of a concept they may put into full production, a way to move onto the PC and learn from the mistakes made in Dust 514". I wonder what mistakes he's referring to? Probably not the most important one (really, the only relevant one, as so much of the community had so much hope for this game despite bugs and poor community outreach by CCP), which is to say misleading your customers/fans/supporters. I've also read that they'll allow characters to carry over, but I have no interest in Legion until/unless it's available on PS4. CCP --> 8=======D (( <-- their customers' a$$es
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 2769	Posted - 2014.05.05 16:20:00 - [22] - Quote shaman oga wrote: I agree, it's so easy that even a child can understand that DUST don't have a long life on PS3, hardware is obsolete, maybe CCP are not the best PS3 programmers but they have tried to do something and between love and hate, we have appreciated their work, the natural evolution for DUST is Legion and the natural evolution for PS3 is PS4, i think that nobody can say "i want legion on PS3" because it's technically impossible. A natural evolution from PS3 to PS4 would not have shocked the community that much. If CCP say: "We are developing on PS4 too" all the hate will become excitement. Guinea Dust Bunnies are watching you, CCP Rouge.


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