DUST Search - Two reasons why the game right now is unplayable by new players

Michael Arck wrote:

The game is not unplayable by new players, it is unplayable by players who fold once the wind blows.

It can be done because I did it. Many others have done it. The thing is, a stomping in Dust is not like any other game. Any FPS multiplayer can be considered "unplayable" by new players who enter into those matches.

If you don't have a tank and you're new, you shouldn't be in the open, chasing tanks, shooting armored tanks with your lil joke AR, avoiding tougher opponents, choosing your movements, staying closer to cover so you can move back behind it if need be.

New players often don't learn from their deaths. They spawn and do the same thing, over and over and over again.

Tanks weren't a problem for me when I started, it was those lasers. Yea, lasers. Designed to chew through a Caldari suit like termites at a log farm. With each death I learned that maybe I should be more in the background until I level up some skills.

And it doesn't take long to have a decent dropsuit and weapon to do some damage.

And about Warbarge Strikes: Plenty of folks played COD where if you got a killstreak, you had some kind of support. In fact, it could be more than one. The most infamous was the nuke which is the same as the warbarge. In that game, all it took was one player who was a beast, killing everybody since he's twitching on Mountain Dew and adrenaline. Folks didn't complain about that, did they? In dust the Warbarge strikes are a squad effort (especially now). So how come random blueberries in a team are playing like its COD, wanting to be the sole hero with the highest record on the kill report instead of playing with other players to coordinate a win, which is more important?

If you notice your team getting a stomping, and you guys are all bunched up together, what do you think is going to happen? You're practically giving the enemy team clones.

You have to approach this game differently and that's why so many players get frustrated. Those BF4 and COD tactics don't work here. It's different.


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Vect-r Vault of the Void 30	Posted - 2014.05.02 06:26:00 - [1] - Quote 1. Tanks 2. Warbarge Strike Here's why. If you don't have a tank, you're pretty much done for. Shields and armor is high, and there is pretty much no chance you'll be able to down it unless you have a really good swarm launcher, blaster installation, or warbarge strike. Here is where it gets tricky for new players: All of the public matches will have at least 2-3 tanks in them. No lie. Especially at night when all of the super nerd players come out. (Play in the morning). Back to the point. So, if you don't have a good tank, which goes for pretty much every new player, well hello rage quit. To that I add, how are you supposed to level up when you are just surrounded by destructive lawn-mowers? Run away? Good idea, but sorry, that doesn't work in ambush, or any other game mode, because a tank can be parked anywhere. But what about blaster installations? They counter tanks, right? No. If you have the normal lot of protosuit/experienced players in a match, they'll be sure to warbarge the installations ASAP. I think you have the option to buy installations, yeah? But if you're getting a crap number of ISK, then your chances of really standing a chance are minimal. And last but not least, there are the Warbarge Strikes. First of all, let me say, what an idea to implement. It is used so much by said "PRO" players. So say that you're moving around in a group or squad (which is encouraged, yeah?) and all of a sudden you hear that "boom boom boom" sound. You're done. Its instakill, especially in urban/exposed city maps. As soon as a warbarge strike happens, people tend to leave the game and the winning ticket is handed to the enemy. To all prospective new players, this game will give you hell. Its just a killing fest for all of the dedicated players to harass you. That is why, active this second, I'm just going to stop playing DUST. Not permanently, but until I hear some major updates. All in all, my passive SP will have to provide for my future chances of survival. Thanks for listening, Vect-r Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:02:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: The game is not unplayable by new players, it is unplayable by players who fold once the wind blows. It can be done because I did it. Many others have done it. The thing is, a stomping in Dust is not like any other game. Any FPS multiplayer can be considered "unplayable" by new players who enter into those matches. If you don't have a tank and you're new, you shouldn't be in the open, chasing tanks, shooting armored tanks with your lil joke AR, avoiding tougher opponents, choosing your movements, staying closer to cover so you can move back behind it if need be. New players often don't learn from their deaths. They spawn and do the same thing, over and over and over again. Tanks weren't a problem for me when I started, it was those lasers. Yea, lasers. Designed to chew through a Caldari suit like termites at a log farm. With each death I learned that maybe I should be more in the background until I level up some skills. And it doesn't take long to have a decent dropsuit and weapon to do some damage. And about Warbarge Strikes: Plenty of folks played COD where if you got a killstreak, you had some kind of support. In fact, it could be more than one. The most infamous was the nuke which is the same as the warbarge. In that game, all it took was one player who was a beast, killing everybody since he's twitching on Mountain Dew and adrenaline. Folks didn't complain about that, did they? In dust the Warbarge strikes are a squad effort (especially now). So how come random blueberries in a team are playing like its COD, wanting to be the sole hero with the highest record on the kill report instead of playing with other players to coordinate a win, which is more important? If you notice your team getting a stomping, and you guys are all bunched up together, what do you think is going to happen? You're practically giving the enemy team clones. You have to approach this game differently and that's why so many players get frustrated. Those BF4 and COD tactics don't work here. It's different. There are two inconsistencies with your argument. 1. Based on my knowledge of the skill tree now...anyone can get the standard laser rifle with their starting 500k skill points. So in the case of standing a chance against other laser "buttholes", this would be fair game. Plus, if you move in a squad with high level people, there is a big chance that you can play medic or hide behind the other guys. (I know that lasers have the drawback of a cooling and suck at close range. But in case of a tank, you can't revive your dead teammates, because more than likely, your teammates died in a line of fire, and two, your teammates didn't pack anti-tank gear. 2. About the Warbarge Strikes. I noticed that you compared tactical nukes (in Call of Duty) to Warbarge Strikes. Well there are key differences. The enemy team can notice if someone is about to get a tactical nuke, just look at the scoreboard for 25 kills in a row. And, if you die anytime during that 25 kills, you start over the trial for a nuke. If anyone was trying to get a nuke, it would be the enemy's priority to "tryhard" and screw over the so called mountain dew twitcher. Oh, and people did complain about the nuke. Alot. There was boosters, camping, and powerful killstreaks. Therefore, it would be illogical to compare one flawed design to another. However, I used the nuke example in its most ideal situation. Anyways, back to the case of the Warbarge. If an entire squad gets, 2500 points, which is easy when most are running proto like in ambush, its a killing fest. Plus, there is no "kill streak" system set. So the points add up. In addition, its hard to "avoid" the situation of really good players if there are proto players in every public matched. Its like, you're outmatched from the start. One last thing to note: how are you supposed to get money and SP fighting in the background battles without spending forever to be even with your enemies? I like the fact that DUST is a game where you spend time, get the good gear. Its cool. But after a certain point, we should all be on the same level and just have fun. In other words, the progression is exponential, not linear, and this system is screwing those new players. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote ONE-I-BANDIT wrote: Not much need to say, and if ppl are getting killed by tanks then they are where an tank can see them so get the flux out of sight . Or do some thing about it and just dont stand in the path You are seriously underestimating the power of the tanks. Even if you get out of the way, and the enemies are "protected" by these tanks, who are you supposed to fight now? The mountains? Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:07:00 - [4] - Quote castba wrote: 1. Tanks have been stronger in the past, though not as cheap/spammable. Maybe stay away if they are an issue? 2. Warbarge strike/orbital bombardment has always been here. All new players have a tough time. The game is designed that way to get players focused on SP/levelling and create an addiction of sorts. I am all for a better NPE but these complaints seem pretty weak. I like the way the game is designed, but the leveling is exponential, rather than linear. Say, spending 50+ hours in any other FPS will get you somewhere, but not in DUST. You haven't even scratched the surface. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:09:00 - [5] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: awww a game that actually requires you to get good You probably have advanced suits already, yeah? Or, you might have joined at a time when everyone was inexperienced. So what you're implying is that because I joined at a time when everyone else is already a veteran player, that I must suck. Rethink that. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:12:00 - [6] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Vect-r wrote: 1. Tanks 2. Warbarge Strike That's it? You seriously have not been paying attention. The reasons are nearly legion and you pick the two that you personally don't like right now at this moment. No doubt because you have had your dead clone's butt handed to you repeatedly over the last few weeks/days/matches by either tanks or OBs. I suspect the posting has little to do with actual New Berries and everything to do with you. The one main reason, in truth, is ---> There Is No Matchmaking In Dust (tm). Too bad, it ain't gonna happen. The last time they tried they managed to produce the incredibly stupid version of Scottie? Remember that? I do (shudders, laughs). It was an embarrassment to programmers the world over. Although the anti-tank QQs were really quite touching. See you later, Kitten. PS: I like the name of your clone, very inventive. Didn't say that was all I had to say. You brought up some really good points too, despite calling me a kitten. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:15:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: ONE-I-BANDIT wrote: What is your point ? So what if some one changes tanks to handle an different situation thats the point of this game counter and then recounter as long as it gives time for some one else to take the point . Ah and on another point im not biased I run other things and not just tank as such as logi and a forge gun to KILL other Tanks and ADS. The point is that avoiding tanks is not so easy like you said, especially for a newberry. So the sound of the "woor...woor" of an approaching tank fails to register with them? I hear a tank before I see it and begin moving to cover to avoid before it pops up on me. Anytime it did, I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings. But, you have around 4000+ likes. Therefore, its same to assume, within the time of your likes, that you've been here a while or at least have some good gear. Empathy, please. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.
Vect-r Vault of the Void 32	Posted - 2014.05.02 13:26:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Stupid Blueberry wrote: ONE-I-BANDIT wrote: What is your point ? So what if some one changes tanks to handle an different situation thats the point of this game counter and then recounter as long as it gives time for some one else to take the point . Ah and on another point im not biased I run other things and not just tank as such as logi and a forge gun to KILL other Tanks and ADS. The point is that avoiding tanks is not so easy like you said, especially for a newberry. So the sound of the "woor...woor" of an approaching tank fails to register with them? I hear a tank before I see it and begin moving to cover to avoid before it pops up on me. Anytime it did, I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings. How long have you been playing? How in gods name is a newberry going to know what a woor-woor means? Maybe he just thinks it's just the humming of the giant power generator in the background. LOL you can't be serious? So a deep resonating sound that is slowly rising in volume until eventually you can hear the tank tracks spinning, doesn't alert a human being to something ominous approaching? Don't be a stupid blueberry. Hmm. So here are my two situations. 1. Big open maps with high level players. Run away, but get blasted. 2. Maps where I can run away from tanks, but still have the players to deal with. If I'm running away, which is what everyone is suggesting, then I would be separated from my team. So, I guess I should pick off snipers in the distance? They aren't dumb.. What else? Go capture an objective? Oh wait, as soon as I get spotted I'll die in two seconds by a camper or whichever. Think harder, dude. (I'm also noticing that everyone who says a phrase related to me being "un-tactical" and "blueberry"-like, is already a high-level) To that I say, why are you even here? You aren't in the same situation, so you have no experience in the subject. Maybe it would look good and sound reasonable if an enemy tanker said to you, "just run away then, this tank isn't OP..." All repliers degrade new players in a way to keep yourselves in the same positions of power. This is similar to corruption in any politics. Sure, you've been in the same position of being in a situation where you're boned, but you're saying that you had no regrets of dealing with all the unnecessary bull? C'mon. Not liking DUST so much so far, but hey, its free.