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Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 426	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:07:00 - [1] - Quote Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
Yeeeuuuupppp The New Age Outlaws Proficiency V. 286	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:13:00 - [2] - Quote I'd love it. +1 CCP Saberwing: " War elephants for 1.9" Mic status: Muted Feel the wrath of my troll
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 10064	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote Laser LMG....... LMG are my weapons....always have been and always will be.....aiming is certainly not a skill a posses any aptitude in. Luk Manag, the glorious individual who made me what I am today! LvL 10 Forum Warrior you scrubs!
Thokk Nightshade Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 125	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:16:00 - [4] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? Basically you're wanting an M249 as an alternate to the .50 cal/ Gatling gun (HMG) so it can be mounted on medium/light frames? Are you thinking the same ROF as the HMG (2400 RPM)? Or something between the CR and HMG, like around 1750 or 1800 RPM? Depending on where they set the DPS, it is an interesting concept. The idea of a cloaked scout running around with one of these is a scary thought though. Right now he can go one on one with his shotgun/nova knives. If he has an option to mow down a squad, this is going to be a FOTM on steroids where they aren't worried about how many redberries are around because they have the firepower to take down 2-3 at a time.
Vitharr Foebane Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1110	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:16:00 - [5] - Quote isnt the LMG the ACR? If not it certainly hits like one Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics III I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5749	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:17:00 - [6] - Quote What attributes would an LMG have? More range than an HMG? Less Accurate than an HMG? More Damage? Less Rate of Fire? More Recoil? An overheat feature?
Vulpes Dolosus Sver true blood General Tso's Alliance 1539	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:25:00 - [7] - Quote Can't say no to more variety: To the above: More range More accurate at range, but considerably less than a light rifle (AR,CR, etc) More butGÇª less RoF Definitely more recoil PerhapsGÇª Me in my ADS: 1,2
Auris Lionesse Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 795	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:39:00 - [8] - Quote the hmg already seems to fill that role. its high rof low accuracy low damage if we add the opposite itd be like a cannon. accurate slow firing high damage cannon is the alternative of the hmg we have now. no more than 180 rof so its like a clap. 1-3 per second. Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Gallente Heavy Ninja Turtles! Heroes in a half Gank! *TURTLE POWER!!!*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 5752	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:43:00 - [9] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: the hmg already seems to fill that role. its high rof low accuracy low damage if we add the opposite itd be like a cannon. accurate slow firing high damage cannon is the alternative of the hmg we have now. no more than 180 rof so its like a clap. 1-3 per second. HMG would more than likely have to be looked at again if there was to be an LMG introduced for obvious reasons.
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 329	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:55:00 - [10] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? Try a proto minmatar assault with dual smgs. the skills get you 100 per mag and if you factor in the low damage and high ROF that you want, all you need is to swap weapons which is quick. Death Firm. XO Trusting The Rust Since Uprising 1.0 The Only Firm Guarantee In Life Is Death.

medomai grey warravens Final Resolution. 658	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:06:00 - [11] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? We have LMGs(Light Machine Guns), they're called assault rifles in this game. What we don't have are actual assault rifles. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Riptalis Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:08:00 - [12] - Quote If an LMG was introduced it would have to NOT be able to fit in the Light frame. Somehow be limited to only Medium and Heavy. Rate of fire a little bit higher than the rail rifle. More recoil. I'm thinking around 200 round clip size. It would have to feel like a awesome LMG, loud noise! And Minmatar style. Sights like HOLO in BF3. Awesome!
Duran Lex Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 840	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:09:00 - [13] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? People now feel the HMG is too powerful within its 30 m optimal and 50 m effective. Pray tell me how an LMG won't break the game in the eyes of the everyday blueberry
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN Dirt Nap Squad. 268	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:11:00 - [14] - Quote No.. not minmatar. It should be a shield based weapon. Why not a LMG? Laser Machine Gun... Director of G0DS Tanker, Logi, Heavy, and Scout... at your service!
MINA Longstrike 671	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:14:00 - [15] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: What attributes would an LMG have? More range than an HMG? Less Accurate than an HMG? More Damage? Less Rate of Fire? More Recoil? An overheat feature? More range, still a heavy weapon, significantly less RoF. Honestly this is where the "Lmg" should be a dual heavy rail rifle, with an optimal of about 50m and pretty nasty kick but with a decent scope. Essentially you mount two rails one on top of another and in exchange for the increased magazine size you get more kick and less range and a slightly different fire pattern. Perfect infantry suppression weapon (especially with the caldari love of nanohives) Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Riptalis Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: No.. not minmatar. It should be a shield based weapon. Why not a LMG? Laser Machine Gun... Minmatar!
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 428	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:40:00 - [17] - Quote Bump for updated OP. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1370	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:43:00 - [18] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? EDIT: I'd really like to restrict it to medium and heavy frames...say that the weapon is too bulky for a light frame to carry it or some such thing. I envision it with more range than the HMG, lower RoF, and lower damage. I personally would like it to be Minmatar, but that's because I like Minmatar tech. If it is Amarr or Caldari I won't use it for RP reasons -- though that is not to say there shouldn't be a variant for the different races, I think there should be. The HMG would likely have to be looked at, I agree...but then the ACR and ARR both need looked at currently as well, so...why not? Decent damage decent rof, not like a m929 not low as m60 or mg4 but near an ar I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2469	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:44:00 - [19] - Quote So, like the CR, but with a bigger magazine?
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 428	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:45:00 - [20] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? EDIT: I'd really like to restrict it to medium and heavy frames...say that the weapon is too bulky for a light frame to carry it or some such thing. I envision it with more range than the HMG, lower RoF, and lower damage. I personally would like it to be Minmatar, but that's because I like Minmatar tech. If it is Amarr or Caldari I won't use it for RP reasons -- though that is not to say there shouldn't be a variant for the different races, I think there should be. The HMG would likely have to be looked at, I agree...but then the ACR and ARR both need looked at currently as well, so...why not? Decent damage devent rof, not like a m929 not low as m60 or mg4 but near an ar I'm envisioning something similar to the M249 or M240B. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?

jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1370	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:45:00 - [21] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? EDIT: I'd really like to restrict it to medium and heavy frames...say that the weapon is too bulky for a light frame to carry it or some such thing. I envision it with more range than the HMG, lower RoF, and lower damage. I personally would like it to be Minmatar, but that's because I like Minmatar tech. If it is Amarr or Caldari I won't use it for RP reasons -- though that is not to say there shouldn't be a variant for the different races, I think there should be. The HMG would likely have to be looked at, I agree...but then the ACR and ARR both need looked at currently as well, so...why not? Decent damage devent rof, not like a m929 not low as m60 or mg4 but near an ar I'm envisioning something similar to the M249 or M240B. Ah I meant that not m2929 I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Zaaeed Massani RisingSuns Dark Taboo 428	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:45:00 - [22] - Quote Joel II X wrote: So, like the CR, but with a bigger magazine? No. Lower damage, higher RoF, lower optimal range, larger clip. Minmatar & Gallente A.R.C. Program Instructor / Do you even lift?
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1749	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:50:00 - [23] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? EDIT: I'd really like to restrict it to medium and heavy frames...say that the weapon is too bulky for a light frame to carry it or some such thing. I envision it with more range than the HMG, lower RoF, and lower damage. I personally would like it to be Minmatar, but that's because I like Minmatar tech. If it is Amarr or Caldari I won't use it for RP reasons -- though that is not to say there shouldn't be a variant for the different races, I think there should be. The HMG would likely have to be looked at, I agree...but then the ACR and ARR both need looked at currently as well, so...why not? There was a concept art of a LMG for Minmatar. Along with a Gatling Gun(which is pretty much what the HMG is right now). Wondered how it would fit, now I know. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." http://royventus.tumblr.com
jerrmy12 kahoalii Proficiency V. 1371	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:51:00 - [24] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Joel II X wrote: So, like the CR, but with a bigger magazine? No. Lower damage, higher RoF, lower optimal range, larger clip. Longer optimal Its an lmg not an ar I <3 girl gamers Tears, sweet delicious tears
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad. 4529	Posted - 2014.05.02 01:51:00 - [25] - Quote Thokk Nightshade wrote: Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? Basically you're wanting an M249 as an alternate to the .50 cal/ Gatling gun (HMG) so it can be mounted on medium/light frames? Are you thinking the same ROF as the HMG (2400 RPM)? Or something between the CR and HMG, like around 1750 or 1800 RPM? Depending on where they set the DPS, it is an interesting concept. The idea of a cloaked scout running around with one of these is a scary thought though. Right now he can go one on one with his shotgun/nova knives. If he has an option to mow down a squad, this is going to be a FOTM on steroids where they aren't worried about how many redberries are around because they have the firepower to take down 2-3 at a time. It needs to have the ROF of the ACR, AR damage as the base, and HUGE dispersion when firing from the hip. It's a little better when ADS'd, and also has a LOT of kick. It also needs a large clip size, and respectable ammo pool. It should have a rapid damage drop off range, but maintain a min damage value over a large range. Think of the range like this: Full damage out to 40m, drop off to 20% damage after 60m, but maintain that damage at all ranges past that until it hits absolute at 100. This makes it a decent weapon for engaging at range, and excellent at trying to maintain suppression at range, still being able to deal 10-12 damage a shot at range Light Weapon slot, so that Logi's have a weapon that makes sense. Give the support guy a suppression weapon. I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost I hack at Mach V
THE-PIMP-NAMED-SLICKBACK Intrepidus XI EoN. 80	Posted - 2014.05.02 02:19:00 - [26] - Quote Not all LMGs need to have such a high rate of fire, that should be related to the variation and race of the LMG. Sufficient suppression can be applied with slow firing weapons so long as its continuous fire over longer periods of time. I posted my own thoughts on what the gallente LMG's states would look like, fire and operate like if anyone wants me to quote it. Dez gunz ah blazin~
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 245	Posted - 2014.05.02 04:34:00 - [27] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Currently a dropsuit can equip a HMG or an assault rifle (if they want a rifle) with no middle ground. Here's what I am envisioning: Light weapon, fulfilling a suppressive role with relatively low damage, high RoF, and a ~150 round clip size. I could see this being difficult to balance but I really wish we had more to choose from than just HMG's or rifles. And I like the idea of my Minmatar Commando with a LMG and MD...the suppressive/denial potential makes me drool... Thoughts? EDIT: I'd really like to restrict it to medium and heavy frames...say that the weapon is too bulky for a light frame to carry it or some such thing. I envision it with more range than the HMG, lower RoF, and lower damage. I personally would like it to be Minmatar, but that's because I like Minmatar tech. If it is Amarr or Caldari I won't use it for RP reasons -- though that is not to say there shouldn't be a variant for the different races, I think there should be. The HMG would likely have to be looked at, I agree...but then the ACR and ARR both need looked at currently as well, so...why not? Seriously dude you remind me of this guy.... http://www.guns.com/2013/04/12/harry-reid-invents-the-100-round-clip-magazine-video/
AP Grasshopper Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad. 245	Posted - 2014.05.02 04:36:00 - [28] - Quote Zaaeed Massani wrote: Joel II X wrote: So, like the CR, but with a bigger magazine? No. Lower damage, higher RoF, lower optimal range, larger clip. Clip fed light machine gun sounds state of the art.... clip fed.


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