DUST Search - Fanfest is Now. Watch it.

DUST Fiend wrote:

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:

Lol, like we have to care about EVE to play DUST...

That's an interesting way to interpret things.
Here's how I imagine what I wrote must have looked like to you. "We have to care about EVE to play DUST."
Here's what I actually wrote, "You need to have a basic understanding of EVE to contribute to a meaningful EVE-DUST connection and gameplay."
And also this, "DUST's success relies on its connection with EVE, and that means you need to have some kind of basic understanding of the EVE community and what's going on with it.

Any confusion?

DUSTs success relies on it being a successful FPS experience, NOT a magical bond between the two games. That is an awesome addition that would really flesh this game out, but under no circumstances do we need that connection for the game to be good. CCP has to make a game worth playing before trying to tie the two together.

Anyways, Fanfest boils down to one simple thing for me, and one simple thing ONLY:

PvE or GTFO


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Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 787	Posted - 2014.05.01 12:50:00 - [1] - Quote Live feed here. Schedule here. Devblog with schedule breakdown here along with instructions on how to buy HD stream. Here's the deal. You guys want a great, awesome game. EVE is a great, awesome game. You might be a hard core FPS'er and have no interest in spreadsheets in space. MMOFPS's have been done before. Sandbox MMOFPS's have been done before. What makes DUST special and what will make it a great, awesome game is its connection with EVE. Even if you couldn't care less about EVE, if you care about DUST, you need to watch the fanfest stream. Even the EVE parts. DUST needs to have a strong connection with EVE to succeed, and that means you need to have a basic understanding of EVE to contribute to a meaningful EVE-DUST connection and gameplay. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 790	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote Being at work or otherwise not being able to watch the feed is one thing. But remember, if you look at the feed now (currently Ship and Module Balancing) and you shrug it off and say you don't care and it doesn't matter, you're part of the problem. DUST's success relies on its connection with EVE, and that means you need to have some kind of basic understanding of the EVE community and what's going on with it. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 790	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:16:00 - [3] - Quote For example, right now CCP Fozzie and CCP Rise are talking about balancing Pirate Faction ships. You could be listening and getting a general idea of what 'pirate faction' means. You can see how ships progress in Pirate Factions goes from Frig > Cruiser > Battleship. You can see that they get additional hull bonuses and require multiple spaceship command skills. And most importantly, you can use what you learn to come up with ideas about how pirate factions can be implemented in DUST. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 793	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:19:00 - [4] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Should've made a disclaimer that if you're aren't an active Eve player most of what they are talking about will mean nothing to you as a Merc. relevant stuff will be tomorrow. This is all relevant to us who play in New Eden. That's the point. Keeping our communities separate won't benefit either community, and, it might surprise you, EVE is an amazingly successful game that doesn't need that benefit. DUST has everything to gain from the benefit that you would just toss out the window because that spredsheet stuf dont matter fer us dust mercs!!! DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 795	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:34:00 - [5] - Quote New ships being introduced. Take ideas from how CCP introduces new content (ships, specifically) to EVE and how they might introduce new content (suits, specifically) to DUST. Also this is gold. "Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair.' Jam them first. Kill them last." -some Gurista. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 795	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:37:00 - [6] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Why do I need to know about balancing equipment on battleships? I need to know when are PvE, P2P, the Caldati and Matari maps, and some sort of AV balance coming. I need to know When?Gäó and same goes for PS4 port. What's my motivation to even keep my PS3 plugged in after September? Because I have a stack of PS3 titles I'd rather wrap up than stay aboard a SoonGäó empty Warbarge. You're part of the problem. I've seen your posting and I know you're not an idiot, so why are you posting this garbage? DUST does not exist in a vacuum. You understand that. It exists in New Eden, where EVE is incredibly successful. For one weekend out of your super fun action part important year, just watch a live stream about the game that DUST needs to emulate to be successful. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 797	Posted - 2014.05.01 14:41:00 - [7] - Quote Kierkegaard Soren wrote: I support the sentiment of the OP 100%, but even I think that Fanfest can be a bit dry sometimes. Relevant, useful, inspiring even, but...your regular Merc is just going to yawn at all this industry talk, regardless of how much it might eventually come to effect them. Unfortunately our regular mercs (all ~4,000 of us) aren't doing too terribly much to uplift the game, with the exception of a few. Here's an idea from all that industry talk. EDIT: It's a huge opportunity to introduce (along with other activities) PvE and additional PvP game modes/game play. /EDIT DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 797	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:01:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Being at work or otherwise not being able to watch the feed is one thing. But remember, if you look at the feed now (currently Ship and Module Balancing) and you shrug it off and say you don't care and it doesn't matter, you're part of the problem. DUST's success relies on its connection with EVE, and that means you need to have some kind of basic understanding of the EVE community and what's going on with it. Its CCPs job to establish that connection, not mine. DUST already requires too much imagination without creating some false sense of connection in your head. I think EVE is an awesome concept but CCP has to make that connection, not us. I would cou ter and say that YOU are the problem by being content with things as is, instead of mercilessly criticizing the botched abortion that is the EVE / DUST link right now You think that I'm content with the current state of DUST? I have no idea how you came to that conclusion. Not a damn clue. Learn to read. If you're still confused, try a question like, 'Are you content with the state of DUST?' DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 798	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:41:00 - [9] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: I love the idea of module tiericide and the notion of having a non-linear progression system. Really hope some of these ideas get adapted to Dust... This guy gets it. He saw something they're doing in EVE, saw value in it, and thought of ways to apply that success to DUST. Admittedly, the art stream is a bit boring. But I'm not an art guy. Here's an example of what keeping our communities polarized and separated does. This is from someone I fly with in WH space fairly frequently. Negativity, pessimism, and disdain. I'm doing what I can both in EVE and DUST to dispel such feelings and get some constructive momentum built up. The convo is largely unedited. I removed his name for anonymity, and some side conversations. Me > (Link to this thread) Trying to convinve DUST bunnies that EVE effects them Friend > we don2t Friend > lawl Friend > days of staring at spreadsheets Me > Friend We do. so there Friend > except for one little pointless thing, we don't Me > except for the one big important thing, we do Me > see, I can do that too Friend > Eve players don't even care if they don't have a DUST account Me > That's actually completely wrong Friend > No. Me > Yes. Friend > Dust is a doomed game with a clock ticking down Friend > kthx Fae Toledo > Why such interest for Dust? Me > Eve is a doomed game with a clock ticking down Me > kthx Friend > :3 Me > Friend, you're trolling is weak Friend > thing is, I'm not forum-fu'ing (At this point, Friend goes into social melt down and starts to get defensive. WeGÇÖre not GÇ£forum-fuGÇÖing.GÇ¥ WeGÇÖre having a discussion. HeGÇÖs shutting down. He hates DUST, he hates the idea of DUST, and heGÇÖs not sure why.) Me > EVE is an amazing game. The idea of connecting a separate game on a different platform is original, new, and amazing. Friend > it's naive and badly thought out Me > DUST has enormous potential, the same potential that EVE had when it first started, that it has met Me > I can't count all the ignorant crap I hear spewing out from DUST bunnies' mouths about EVE and about how DUST should be, simply because they dont' know anything about EVE Friend > aside from the main problem of platform (His unreasonable disdain for DUST stems from it being on PS3. ItGÇÖs fair to admit that I think CCPGÇÖs decision to go PS3 exclusive wasnGÇÖt a great idea, but whatGÇÖs done is done. Time to move forward, and I am optimistic that there is plenty of room to go forward.) Friend > you're trying to compete with a massive market, FPS's. Me > big eye roll right there Friend > what's the active player count anyway? Me > You think CCP has some room of **** flinging monkeys that managed to put a combination of letters together and get PS3 and that's how they made their decision? Me > It's low. Averaging about 4,000 Friend > ha Friend > is that peak or total unique per month or smth? Friend > hah Me > If those DUSTers could see how amazing EVE is, and see that it matters to them, that they could do the things we do in they're own setting, but also do it with us, that would bring back the DUST players that have quit Me > it would bring in all those people that hear about all the crazy things that happen in EVE but don't have the commitment for spreadsheets in space Me > EVE matters to DUST, and you're wrong Friend > lol Friend > a DUST bunny who doesn't have an EVE account will never see what EVE is Friend > and to be fair a console-FPS kinda guy would be better off in ignorance Me > Not by logging on to a free live stream or reading the fairly frequent news about it or talking with his EVE corp mate? Me > Christ almighty, how can someone so knowledgable be so ignorant Me > and not just ignorant, but willingly pessimistic Fae Toledo > I think - till DUST'ies not incorporated to Eve wars both communities exists separately Friend > that's not EVE, that's just random crap about EVE. Unless you know how A becomes B it doesn't matter. Friend > Bucketloads of new signups will drop after the B-R rush because EVE is a bad game. We just happen to like this bad game Friend > so yeah a console FPS kinda guy is better off not knowing Fae Toledo > aiming by gamepad .... heresy! Friend > lawl Friend > that too Me > We'll just have to agree that you're spouting nonsense Friend > whatever you say bub Friend > this ain't a forum (HeGÇÖs broken down. We all know itGÇÖs not a forum. WeGÇÖre having a discussion. I oblige the troll.) Me > If saying that helps you feel better about your negative and defeatist opinion, carry on Friend > 1-up me Friend > once more! Me > what does that even mean? this ain't a forum. We're having a discussion and you've shut down into ultra defensive mode, is that it? Friend > I'd argue that said discussion wasn't a healthy one Friend > btw, calling somebody ignorant over a spaceship game might end up getting you pegged as a bad person. I let it slide because at the end of the day we're corpmates and I like you. Me > pegging someone as a bad person over being called ignorant over a spaceship game might do likewise ;) I'd still help you if you were caught in a bubble or scrammed in a belt. This doesn't get in the way of things that matter DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 798	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:47:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Lol, like we have to care about EVE to play DUST... That's an interesting way to interpret things. Here's how I imagine what I wrote must have looked like to you. "We have to care about EVE to play DUST." Here's what I actually wrote, "You need to have a basic understanding of EVE to contribute to a meaningful EVE-DUST connection and gameplay." And also this, "DUST's success relies on its connection with EVE, and that means you need to have some kind of basic understanding of the EVE community and what's going on with it. Any confusion? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.

Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 798	Posted - 2014.05.01 15:51:00 - [11] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Small point: 4000 online at peak is not at all the same as 4000 players total. EVE has around 500,000 subscribers and <50,000 accounts online at peak. True, and I didn't mean that it was 4,000 total players. Right now we peak at ~4,000 online during any given day. Our record for PCU (peak concurrent users) online at once is 9,255. My numbers come from EVE Offline. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 798	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:02:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Operative 2511 Dajli wrote: Lol, like we have to care about EVE to play DUST... That's an interesting way to interpret things. Here's how I imagine what I wrote must have looked like to you. "We have to care about EVE to play DUST." Here's what I actually wrote, "You need to have a basic understanding of EVE to contribute to a meaningful EVE-DUST connection and gameplay." And also this, "DUST's success relies on its connection with EVE, and that means you need to have some kind of basic understanding of the EVE community and what's going on with it. Any confusion? DUSTs success relies on it being a successful FPS experience, NOT a magical bond between the two games. That is an awesome addition that would really flesh this game out, but under no circumstances do we need that connection for the game to be good. CCP has to make a game worth playing before trying to tie the two together. Anyways, Fanfest boils down to one simple thing for me, and one simple thing ONLY: PvE or GTFO And how do you think new-to-FPS CCP should handle competing with some of the biggest names in the genra? What do you think that PvE should be like? Could it perhaps follow any kind of pattern that EVE has set? On a base level, could we accept missions for one faction against another? Could we hunt for NPC pirates on our own? Could we fight Sansha ground forces in Incursions? Could we play some role in the newly coming EVE Industry Work Teams? Tying the games together and doing it well will make it worth playing. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 798	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:07:00 - [13] - Quote At this very moment you can watch the Council of Stellar Management (CSM) round table and see how CCP established a player body with some role and function that works, and see how the CPM could take from the CSM to be a more effective body. See how the CSM elections work, what they do, what impact they have, and set the bar for the CPM. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 799	Posted - 2014.05.01 16:46:00 - [14] - Quote "Even CCP doesn't use EVE Voice. Don't tell anyone I said that." - CCP Dolan Some commentary on just how awful EVE Voice is, which is also the voice client we use in DUST. hint hint, improve EVE Voice. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 803	Posted - 2014.05.01 17:01:00 - [15] - Quote Yep. Valkyrie keynote is from 17:00 GMT to 18:30 GMT. Continuing with my theme of an optimistic view point for DUST's future and how it's related with and dependent on a meaningful connection with New Eden (That means EVE and, soon, Valkyrie), I'll be watching for how CCP is developing a third game, what steps they're taking, plans, ideas, etc. and how they could relate to DUST to make it a better game. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 805	Posted - 2014.05.01 17:18:00 - [16] - Quote PLEX for Booze. Ask yourself. Why doesn't CCP support PLEX in DUST yet? What needs to be done to work towards that goal? How can you influence CCP via the forums, social media outlets, and other avenues to make this happen? The highest, most noble goal of any merc is to be able to buy beer (and other things) with his ISK. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 806	Posted - 2014.05.01 17:26:00 - [17] - Quote Ermac Vesely wrote: Did you forget how much ISK is one PLEX? It's 700.000.000 ISK per PLEX. You wouldn't need to ever fight a match because you can buy so many proto fits that you will never run out of those. You're right, PLEX in DUST is doomed. There's no way around that insurmountable hurdle. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 831	Posted - 2014.05.02 14:29:00 - [18] - Quote I slept through it. Looks like **** really hit the fan. -_- DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.