DUST Search - How to balence the combat rifle

Galvan Nized wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Michael Arck wrote:

No. If you nerf the CR, then people will go to something else and then you will want that nerf. You cannot nerf humans' ambition to win which drives them to pick up the most versatile weapon to help them achieve that goal. We already did the RR that way, lets not repeat with the CR.

Bad logic is bad
So its ok to have guns that significantly overpower every other rifle?
Why even have the other rifles then?

Logic? How about thinking a bit broader and more objectively? If you nerf the CR, people will go to something else. Once you see the killfeed and your deaths come from that weapon, you will cry nerf that weapon as well.

The CR is fine. It's a pain but its fine. It's doing what it was made to do, just like the RR was before its nerf.

Why even have other rifles? Do you not realize that perfect weapon balance across all weapons is unobtainable? One weapon will always be stronger than another and weaker than another.

Again, the CR is fine. We are now talking about the CR because the RR was nerfed and people switched to another strong weapon to compensate. Do you not see that?

Truly pubs are a terrible place to decide what is OP or not because the setting is not competitive anyway.

Why is balance unobtainable? I hope Devs don't think like you. You don't aim for balance then you only have CRs on the field.

People who have fully skilled CRs are terrible at balance, they cannot see past their own weapon.

What do you think is being used in competitive environments? Let me tell you it's not Ion pistols and Plasma Cannons.


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Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4136	Posted - 2014.05.01 02:50:00 - [1] - Quote No. If you nerf the CR, then people will go to something else and then you will want that nerf. You cannot nerf humans' ambition to win which drives them to pick up the most versatile weapon to help them achieve that goal. We already did the RR that way, lets not repeat with the CR. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4137	Posted - 2014.05.01 02:58:00 - [2] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No. If you nerf the CR, then people will go to something else and then you will want that nerf. You cannot nerf humans' ambition to win which drives them to pick up the most versatile weapon to help them achieve that goal. We already did the RR that way, lets not repeat with the CR. Bad logic is bad So its ok to have guns that significantly overpower every other rifle? Why even have the other rifles then? Logic? How about thinking a bit broader and more objectively? If you nerf the CR, people will go to something else. Once you see the killfeed and your deaths come from that weapon, you will cry nerf that weapon as well. The CR is fine. It's a pain but its fine. It's doing what it was made to do, just like the RR was before its nerf. Why even have other rifles? Do you not realize that perfect weapon balance across all weapons is unobtainable? One weapon will always be stronger than another and weaker than another. Again, the CR is fine. We are now talking about the CR because the RR was nerfed and people switched to another strong weapon to compensate. Do you not see that? Truly pubs are a terrible place to decide what is OP or not because the setting is not competitive anyway. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4137	Posted - 2014.05.01 03:06:00 - [3] - Quote But we aren't talking about those topics. Make a thread and I will offer my opinions on those, which vary. We are talking about the CR. So your response logic is bad. It's an assumption which also declares how you view my post in black and white. Interesting, since I stated we should look at this from a broader aspect instead of the tunnel vision. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4138	Posted - 2014.05.01 03:24:00 - [4] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: No. If you nerf the CR, then people will go to something else and then you will want that nerf. You cannot nerf humans' ambition to win which drives them to pick up the most versatile weapon to help them achieve that goal. We already did the RR that way, lets not repeat with the CR. Bad logic is bad So its ok to have guns that significantly overpower every other rifle? Why even have the other rifles then? Logic? How about thinking a bit broader and more objectively? If you nerf the CR, people will go to something else. Once you see the killfeed and your deaths come from that weapon, you will cry nerf that weapon as well. The CR is fine. It's a pain but its fine. It's doing what it was made to do, just like the RR was before its nerf. Why even have other rifles? Do you not realize that perfect weapon balance across all weapons is unobtainable? One weapon will always be stronger than another and weaker than another. Again, the CR is fine. We are now talking about the CR because the RR was nerfed and people switched to another strong weapon to compensate. Do you not see that? Truly pubs are a terrible place to decide what is OP or not because the setting is not competitive anyway. Why is balance unobtainable? I hope Devs don't think like you. You don't aim for balance then you only have CRs on the field. People who have fully skilled CRs are terrible at balance, they cannot see past their own weapon. What do you think is being used in competitive environments? Let me tell you it's not Ion pistols and Plasma Cannons. Surely you read that entire sentence. ...perfect weapon balance across ALL weapons. Then I go on to say that one weapon will be stronger than the other. Ok, if we want to talk about CR, then let's talk about the Viziam Scrambler Rifle which destroys me on field so quickly I barely have time to react. Is it balanced? I don't know how the VSCR has gone on without any talks about it and that weapon has claimed more clones than RR and CR combined. Am I the only one who understands this? That when you nerf one weapon to make it weaker, the next strongest weapon steps up and people skill into that, then community wants that nerf. The community cannot accept that a weapon is just lethal and to avoid it as much as possible? I don't get that. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 4138	Posted - 2014.05.01 03:26:00 - [5] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: But we aren't talking about those topics. Make a thread and I will offer my opinions on those, which vary. We are talking about the CR. So your response logic is bad. It's an assumption which also declares how you view my post in black and white. Interesting, since I stated we should look at this from a broader aspect instead of the tunnel vision. Can you not see how the combat rifle stands out statisticly from every other light weapon? It deals 540 dps at standard leve with a 55m optimall. No other rifle even comes close. What is the point of the AR if it kills slower then the combat rifle AND has less range? I saw that LONG before the majority of general discussion decided to talk about CRs all day. No, the general discussion community didn't because they were too busy talking about RRs Lo and behold, even pre 1.8, PC players weren't even using RRs like that. It was mostly CRs because of its effectiveness. Now everybody catch up to yesterday news after the pub players stop using the RRs and go to CRs. Like I said, pub matches are a terrible place to judge weapon balance and changes from. Most of the nerf requests come at the end of tears and people not knowing how to lose properly. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?