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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:23:00 -
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So, I received tons of friendly, helpful advice from Mercs recently in this previous thread. First, I'd like to thank everyone who helped me out. It was a true pleasure realizing that there were individuals in the community still ready to offer a friendly helping hand to those in need of it.
Now, onwards to my main topic. Some individuals argued that MDs were relatively weak as a primary, but in my recent personal play as an experienced scout (but still a noob with MD), it's ALSO a damn effective weapon against other scouts, lone wolves, and straggler heavies!
I'm really starting to love the dynamic nature of the weapon and how it works. Understanding the trajectory and being forced to use elevation really made for an interesting, and as someone said, "skilled form of gameplay".
Cloaking in and out was amazing, and MD really added a whole new dimension to scout gameplay. Not to mention, my KD has gone up for some reason (it's now regularly 3 - 5)!
In conclusion, thank you everyone for helping me out, and thanks CCP for including such a fun weapon.
PS: rate my fit?
ADV Caldari (Cheap suit I can run easily. I can't run Proto regularly cause I'm poor).
It's slightly tanked for the purposes of protecting against MD splash/ in case things go bad.
Enhanced shield x 3 (I think)
Enhanced reactive x 1
Enhanced CPU upgrade
EXO-5 Mass Driver
M-512 Submachinegun
Flux
Adv cloak
Nanohives
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2438
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:33:00 -
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Fit is OK- I assume you don't have the SP for complex extenders? The enhanced shield extenders have a terrible ratio of fitting cost to shield bonus. Similarly, the enhanced reactive doesn't provide any bonus repair over the basic reactive, only like +15 HP.
I would drop all of those modules down to basic and see if you can ditch the CPU upgrade for either a damp or a range amp, or a biotics module of some sort. Downgrading to basic will lose you 33 shield HP and 15 armor HP, but may open up that other low slot and will definitely save you a little dough. That 48 EHP probably isn't saving your life very often.
Personally I also like to have K-2 or X-3 nanohives over the basic ones, especially for MD spam.
edit: Complex shield extenders should be your next priority for SP IMO. They just put all the other ones to shame.
Nerdier than thou
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:35:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Fit is OK- I assume you don't have the SP for complex extenders? The enhanced shield extenders have a terrible ratio of fitting cost to shield bonus. Similarly, the enhanced reactive doesn't provide any bonus repair over the basic reactive, only like +15 HP.
I would drop all of those modules down to basic and see if you can ditch the CPU upgrade for either a damp or a range amp, or a biotics module of some sort. Downgrading to basic will lose you 33 shield HP and 15 armor HP, but may open up that other low slot and will definitely save you a little dough. That 48 EHP probably isn't saving your life very often.
Personally I also like to have K-2 or X-3 nanohives over the basic ones, especially for MD spam.
I have SP for complex shields, complex armor, and enhanced reppers.
I'll try dropping everything (in which case I can drop my CPU enhancers!).
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2441
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:41:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Fit is OK- I assume you don't have the SP for complex extenders? The enhanced shield extenders have a terrible ratio of fitting cost to shield bonus. Similarly, the enhanced reactive doesn't provide any bonus repair over the basic reactive, only like +15 HP.
I would drop all of those modules down to basic and see if you can ditch the CPU upgrade for either a damp or a range amp, or a biotics module of some sort. Downgrading to basic will lose you 33 shield HP and 15 armor HP, but may open up that other low slot and will definitely save you a little dough. That 48 EHP probably isn't saving your life very often.
Personally I also like to have K-2 or X-3 nanohives over the basic ones, especially for MD spam. I have SP for complex shields, complex armor, and enhanced reppers. I'll try dropping everything (in which case I can drop my CPU enhancers!).
In that case you're better off with one complex extender than two enhanced- it gives the same amount of HP, but you save a slot, 1 PG, and 18 CPU! Never ever use enhanced shield extenders if you have access to the complex ones. IIRC one complex is also cheaper than two enhanced. So... yeah. Always complex shield extenders.
Nerdier than thou
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:45:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:keno trader wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Fit is OK- I assume you don't have the SP for complex extenders? The enhanced shield extenders have a terrible ratio of fitting cost to shield bonus. Similarly, the enhanced reactive doesn't provide any bonus repair over the basic reactive, only like +15 HP.
I would drop all of those modules down to basic and see if you can ditch the CPU upgrade for either a damp or a range amp, or a biotics module of some sort. Downgrading to basic will lose you 33 shield HP and 15 armor HP, but may open up that other low slot and will definitely save you a little dough. That 48 EHP probably isn't saving your life very often.
Personally I also like to have K-2 or X-3 nanohives over the basic ones, especially for MD spam. I have SP for complex shields, complex armor, and enhanced reppers. I'll try dropping everything (in which case I can drop my CPU enhancers!). In that case you're better off with one complex extender than two enhanced- it gives the same amount of HP, but you save a slot, 1 PG, and 18 CPU! Never ever use enhanced shield extenders if you have access to the complex ones. IIRC one complex is also cheaper than two enhanced. So... yeah. Always complex shield extenders.
Sounds good! And how should I fill the other 2 slots? Ewar stuff?
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2441
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:48:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Awry Barux wrote:keno trader wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Fit is OK- I assume you don't have the SP for complex extenders? The enhanced shield extenders have a terrible ratio of fitting cost to shield bonus. Similarly, the enhanced reactive doesn't provide any bonus repair over the basic reactive, only like +15 HP.
I would drop all of those modules down to basic and see if you can ditch the CPU upgrade for either a damp or a range amp, or a biotics module of some sort. Downgrading to basic will lose you 33 shield HP and 15 armor HP, but may open up that other low slot and will definitely save you a little dough. That 48 EHP probably isn't saving your life very often.
Personally I also like to have K-2 or X-3 nanohives over the basic ones, especially for MD spam. I have SP for complex shields, complex armor, and enhanced reppers. I'll try dropping everything (in which case I can drop my CPU enhancers!). In that case you're better off with one complex extender than two enhanced- it gives the same amount of HP, but you save a slot, 1 PG, and 18 CPU! Never ever use enhanced shield extenders if you have access to the complex ones. IIRC one complex is also cheaper than two enhanced. So... yeah. Always complex shield extenders. Sounds good! And how should I fill the other 2 slots? Ewar stuff?
Depends what you've got room for. Precision enhancers are good filler if you're out of PG. If you have enough PG left, throw in whatever shield extenders you can squeeze in. I sometimes leave them empty, though, if I'm out of CPU- the low slot ewar modules are too good to sacrifice to a CPU upgrade, they're the most important. I also find that a basic cloak is enough for 95% of my situations- you could try downgrading that.
Nerdier than thou
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1525
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:49:00 -
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Like Awry said, ditch the enh extenders ASAP! 1 Complex has just as much HP and lower fitting costs, not to mention opens up another slot. There's no reason to use a lower tier extender other than as filler or fitting restrictions. I'd stick with stacking hp over other high slot mods due to your frailty and possibility of killing yourself.
Lower the plate to either a basic reactive (same repair rate, easier fitting, and you're not going to notice the 10 or so hp difference), a basic plate (more HP), or a shield regulator (for those amazing shield reps).
I would downgrade the cloak to basic and try to fit either X-3 nanohives (amazing, btw) or at the very least K-2s.
Here's a link to what I'd probobly use. Play with it as you see fit.
Other than that, I'd probably suggest using an assault suit (I like the Min myself), but whatever works for you.
Anyway, best of luck. It's good to hear someone actually enjoying the game than the typical doom-and-QQ on the forums. o7
Me in my ADS: 1,2
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
439
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:50:00 -
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Caldari suit with a flux? That's a good way to kill yourself. There is a reason why I switched over to gallente when uprising came out, I can flux myself and my enemy and still have a backdrop of armor.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4136
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:51:00 -
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Just came to say...massholes
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:54:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Just came to say...massholes
Get out, asshat.
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:55:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:Caldari suit with a flux? That's a good way to kill yourself. There is a reason why I switched over to gallente when uprising came out, I can flux myself and my enemy and still have a backdrop of armor.
But you can also easily mass drive yourself, lol.
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:57:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Like Awry said, ditch the enh extenders ASAP! 1 Complex has just as much HP and lower fitting costs, not to mention opens up another slot. There's no reason to use a lower tier extender other than as filler or fitting restrictions. I'd stick with stacking hp over other high slot mods due to your frailty and possibility of killing yourself. Lower the plate to either a basic reactive (same repair rate, easier fitting, and you're not going to notice the 10 or so hp difference), a basic plate (more HP), or a shield regulator (for those amazing shield reps). I would downgrade the cloak to basic and try to fit either X-3 nanohives (amazing, btw) or at the very least K-2s. Here's a link to what I'd probobly use. Play with it as you see fit. Other than that, I'd probably suggest using an assault suit (I like the Min myself), but whatever works for you. Anyway, best of luck. It's good to hear someone actually enjoying the game than the typical doom-and-QQ on the forums. o7
I will try that fit. o7 to you too!
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
439
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:05:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Kaughst wrote:Caldari suit with a flux? That's a good way to kill yourself. There is a reason why I switched over to gallente when uprising came out, I can flux myself and my enemy and still have a backdrop of armor. But you can also easily mass drive yourself, lol.
I know that I can flux a caldari suit and even if he fluxes me or both of us I can still kill him faster than he can kill me because I have a buffer of HP that will last longer than him. Also caldari medium suits are notoriously easier to kill with the MD than a gallente suit because once again the amount of HP he can stack is smaller than a gallente suit. While the caldari suit can have a slight speed advantage it's useless considering that we would be hitting each other at about roughly the same ratio, the only time when speed comes into play is when you are scout.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:11:00 -
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Kaughst wrote:keno trader wrote:Kaughst wrote:Caldari suit with a flux? That's a good way to kill yourself. There is a reason why I switched over to gallente when uprising came out, I can flux myself and my enemy and still have a backdrop of armor. But you can also easily mass drive yourself, lol. I know that I can flux a caldari suit and even if he fluxes me or both of us I can still kill him faster than he can kill me because I have a buffer of HP that will last longer than him. Also caldari medium suits are notoriously easier to kill with the MD than a gallente suit because once again the amount of HP he can stack is smaller than a gallente suit. While the caldari suit can have a slight speed advantage it's useless considering that we would be hitting each other at about roughly the same ratio, the only time when speed comes into play is when you are scout.
Makes sense, but I'm currently running a caldari scout (see OP). Which means that I don't generally engage in hasty fights that result in me fluxing myself. Also, my shields go up fast enough so that tactical retreat is a viable option!
I was once a a proto gallente Assault suit too (pre 1.6).
---$--- I is now scout, invisible hunter by day and christmas tree by night. ---$---
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
439
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:14:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Kaughst wrote:keno trader wrote:Kaughst wrote:Caldari suit with a flux? That's a good way to kill yourself. There is a reason why I switched over to gallente when uprising came out, I can flux myself and my enemy and still have a backdrop of armor. But you can also easily mass drive yourself, lol. I know that I can flux a caldari suit and even if he fluxes me or both of us I can still kill him faster than he can kill me because I have a buffer of HP that will last longer than him. Also caldari medium suits are notoriously easier to kill with the MD than a gallente suit because once again the amount of HP he can stack is smaller than a gallente suit. While the caldari suit can have a slight speed advantage it's useless considering that we would be hitting each other at about roughly the same ratio, the only time when speed comes into play is when you are scout. Makes sense, but I'm currently running a caldari scout (see OP). Which means that I don't generally engage in hasty fights that result in me fluxing myself. Also, my shields go up fast enough so that tactical retreat is a viable option! I was once a a proto gallente Assault suit too (pre 1.6).
Generally you can get away with using a caldari scout. Just expect to to be falling back alot, which in itself is not very good as PC suit with a weapon like that if you are going to push and hit a objective unless you are camping it.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
4138
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:15:00 -
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keno trader wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Just came to say...massholes Get out, asshat.
You sir, have no sense of humor.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
189
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:21:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:keno trader wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Just came to say...massholes Get out, asshat. You sir, have no sense of humor.
I am from Massachusetts, and I do not take lightly against such insults! 
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
3216
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:39:00 -
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Switch the flux for a locus. Lead with a grenade to take down the majority of their shields and dip into their armor, then use the mass driver to finish them off.
X-3 nanohives are best for mass drivers. You get 5 rounds per ammo supply.
Finally, get those complex extenders. I don't exactly like the caldari suit, but you need as much shields as possible and it's worth saving up for.
Links:
7162 wp with a Repair Tool!
I make logistics videos!
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McFurious
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
728
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:42:00 -
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Don't blow yourself up little scout. At least you're not running a shotgun. 
Half Irish. Often angry.
Closed Beta Masshole
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keno trader
Resheph Interstellar Strategy
Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:00:00 -
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McFurious wrote:Don't blow yourself up little scout. At least you're not running a shotgun.
I fear for the clueless heavies, of which there are many!
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