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Sigberct Amni
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:34:00 -
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You need to pump your brakes ratamaq. This isn't identity theft in any form of the phrase. Good of you to throw it around like buzzwords in a corporate sales meeting though. If anything, the CEO is in violation for sharing his account info as well. Sony and CCP could easily just ban both people and wash their hands of it. What they actually do though, is up to them and your wall of text means nothing.
Finally, let me clearly say that I don't think this is 'metagaming' at all. This is 100% over the line but is not illegal. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:32:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:BS Goon. Contacting a company mascarading as the victim in order to obtain gain access to an accout that contains personal information for purposes of using that acocut as the victim is the very definition of Identity Theft through Social Engineering. The definition provided by the U.S. DOJ is "Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."
While CCP may encourage this type of activity IN GAME, (you know, like they encourage murder) outside of the game is a crime and is illegal in many countries.
ratamaq doc wrote:The definition provided by the U.S. DOJ is "Identity theft and identity fraud are terms used to refer to all types of crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."
ratamaq doc wrote:crime in which someone wrongfully obtains and uses another person's personal data in some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain."
ratamaq doc wrote:some way that involves fraud or deception, typically for economic gain." it's like the horse leads itself to water but won't drink it. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:34:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:You need to pump your brakes ratamaq. This isn't identity theft in any form of the phrase. Good of you to throw it around like buzzwords in a corporate sales meeting though. If anything, the CEO is in violation for sharing his account info as well. Sony and CCP could easily just ban both people and wash their hands of it. What they actually do though, is up to them and your wall of text means nothing.
Finally, let me clearly say that I don't think this is 'metagaming' at all. This is 100% over the line but is not illegal. I believe Mittani said, and I paraphrase, "...1 inch further than your enemy is willing to go." that's right, we aren't here to ruin the game. we're here to ruin YOUR game. [by patrolling your facebook for infos] |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:39:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Typically does not mean necessarily. The lack of economic gain means that the victim may not be quite so motivated to press charges, but it is still very much a crime. A crime that would be a waste of lawyer fees to pursue because there are no damages. Unless you count your precious internet pixels as something the courts should waste their time with.
If the guy who 'fished' this other dude's infos (probably because said CEO is an over sharing idiot) used that info to do actual crime like accessing his bank accounts or other actually important stuff, then yes. Otherwise, this thread is just a lot of hurf blurf. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:41:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:It might have happened like the OP says...
However there's quite a few times that corp assets disappeared in EVE and the CEO blames 'hackers', while after CCP staff investigate they find no foul play at work.
Guess where those assets disappeared to? No way guys, my internet lawyer told me that stealing wow gold is totes illegal in 30 countries and furthermore our GM is totally stand up guy and |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:51:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:Obviously we do not know what happened but if it went down as described then I believe it was a criminal act.
Even if the guy had been silly enough to say hand over his password it would still have been illegal if he had not given his permission to access his PSN account.
Hope the guy also put in a ticket to CCP and sorted out the security issues with Sony. So essentially, what we are saying is that if I setup a honeypot PSN and roleplay an oversharing nerd with sad brains and my infos get 'fished,' I can put a dude in prison?
Okay. Now we're really metagaming here! |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:30:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:You need to pump your brakes ratamaq. This isn't identity theft in any form of the phrase. Good of you to throw it around like buzzwords in a corporate sales meeting though. If anything, the CEO is in violation for sharing his account info as well. Sony and CCP could easily just ban both people and wash their hands of it. What they actually do though, is up to them and your wall of text means nothing.
Finally, let me clearly say that I don't think this is 'metagaming' at all. This is 100% over the line but is not illegal. That's like saying it isn't breaking & entering if all you do is delete someone's Final Fantasy savegames while you're in. someone being careless with their PSN password or info that leads to said password is not in any circumstances equivalent to a B&E.
Please make more bad rl comparisons. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:38:00 -
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A'Real Fury wrote:lets put it another way. You tell someone where you live and thoughtlessly leave your keys on your chair. Do you think it is illegal if the person then proceeds to use your key to enter your house without permission.
Or how about when cops set up a sting car, leave the door unlocked, and a mobile phone on display. Do you think taking taking the phone or the car is legal just because the car door was unlocked.
Generally granting "permission" can be the difference between legal and illegal.
As to the matter of going to jail it is probably unlikely unless you have been doing it a lot or committing other offences. However, just because it might be considered a relatively minor crime doesn't make it any less a crime.
PS. I was never the one to raise the issue of jail only that gaining access to a PSN account without permission particularly for your express benefit is still a crime. Neither of these issues are similar to what you said happened at all. Both of the above examples include property being stolen. In your OP, the only violation is of account sharing or at worse, fishing for account info. The above will lead to prosecution, your OP scenario is extremely shaky since no money or property was actually taken.
All that will happen is Sony/CCP will shut down accounts. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
679
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Posted - 2014.04.30 19:41:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:C Saunders wrote:lolwut?
Meta game is within the game. The PSN account is out of the game so therefore is not meta game.
WTF is meta game anyway. It just sounds like an excuse to act like a total ****. Answered your own question. It also is often used by CCP to wash their hands of many things, regardless of relevancy. Sort of a intellectual property version of signed paper waivers. Works good for support tickets/petitions, may lose steam if someone brings the local laws into play. Virtual Crime generally gets a free pass but cyber bullying does not. Good luck trying to find any lines. this horse poo gets trotted out over and over, yet I haven't seen one single case go to court in any country ever. please provide examples or get the **** out. |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:51:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Sigberct Amni wrote:You need to pump your brakes ratamaq. This isn't identity theft in any form of the phrase. Good of you to throw it around like buzzwords in a corporate sales meeting though. If anything, the CEO is in violation for sharing his account info as well. Sony and CCP could easily just ban both people and wash their hands of it. What they actually do though, is up to them and your wall of text means nothing.
Finally, let me clearly say that I don't think this is 'metagaming' at all. This is 100% over the line but is not illegal. That's like saying it isn't breaking & entering if all you do is delete someone's Final Fantasy savegames while you're in. someone being careless with their PSN password or info that leads to said password is not in any circumstances equivalent to a B&E. Please make more bad rl comparisons. My apologies for completely undermining your argument. my argument is that your argument is shitthatneverhappened.txt. proof or **** off. |
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