DUST Search - Idea: Purchasable Skill Level Resets

LT SHANKS wrote:

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Nope.

Make the game better teach people how to invest their points. Considering that most of the people who will post in this thread have also posted in threads bitching and moaning about FotM dominating everything, do you really want a built in means of ensuring that ONLY FotM will ever be used?

And don't give me that limp-**** excuse of "well it wouldn't be a problem if CCP made everything balanced". You're always going to have imbalance as long as you keep updating the game, same as you're always going to have nerfs and buffs because the dynamics are always changing.

If you get one respec every six months, someone is going to spec into the FotM, then it gets fixed, so they just stop playing the game entirely until their next respec comes up where they then do it again.

That sounds like a GREAT idea.

This has nothing to do with FotM and you should feel bad for bringing it up. Also, nothing you mentioned addresses my idea, so what the heck are you going on about bi-yearly respecs for?

Anyway, FotM requires two main components: a dropsuit and a weapon. If a player wanted to reset his dropsuit skills, that would take anywhere from $30 to $40+ in refunded SP from skill resets. The weapon would be another $25 to $40.

Do you think players would actually invest that type of money just to skill into an FotM whilst ridding themselves of "potential FotMs" knowing that changes are always made? I doubt it. Purchasing boosters would still be the better alternative. Also, would this not be a good source of revenue for CCP if there were players who would be willing to spend that type of money?

The reason I presented this idea, as stated above, is to give players the option to make minor corrections, thus the reasoning behind the high prices and effect of only refunding SP for one skill level.

You're making it sound as if I'm suggesting a cheap pay to win option to buy full respecs--which I am not.

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LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1984	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:20:00 - [1] - Quote You know how some people advocate the idea of purchasable respecs? What if instead, CCP decided to sell skill level resets? By this, I don't mean an entire reset of a single skill, but instead a reset of 1 level up to a maximum of 5. Say I have Combat Rifle Operations to V. If I were to buy one skill level reset and use it, I'd be able to get 310,900 SP back and my CR Operations would drop to IV. Just for an example, CCP could make money on this if they were to price them at 12,000 Aurum for a Dropsuit Command skill level reset, 10,000 Aurum for a Dropsuit Upgrades skill level reset, 8,000 Aurum for a Weaponry skill level reset, etc. U.S. currency wise, this would translate into roughly $6, $5, and $4 per level reset. If a player wanted to spec out of something because he or she had made some mistakes early on in his or her Dust career, then CCP could earn up to $30 just for one full reset of a single skill. Let's assume I had Ion Pistol Operations at V and Proficiency at IV and wanted those skill points back to spend them on something more useful. I'd have to spend $55 to have them all cleared, and I'd be perfectly fine with that. In all, I'm not even sure if this is a good idea--it sort of just popped into my head after spending 30+ minutes looking at my skill tree. But what do you guys think? Could this actually work? Would you be willing to spend this amount of money?
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1004	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:25:00 - [2] - Quote Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on Nemo me impune lacessit
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1984	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:28:00 - [3] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on So... you don't think it's a good idea then?
sebastian the huds Legions of Infinite Dominion Zero-Day 105	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:28:00 - [4] - Quote They would have to be really f*cking expensive and require that you have had the skill at that level for a long period of time. Or do as DCUO did it and make it more expensive the more you do it. Also: i would tell you to post his thread in the "ideas section" of the forums, but we all know nobody reads there anymore. sebastian the huds (insert any weapon) whoever i want Weapon operation 5 in most weapons
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 798	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:29:00 - [5] - Quote I like the idea that has appeared here on the forum many times. 3 problems : 1some will scream "PAY TO WIN UAAAAAAA! 2 other will scream" LIVE WITH YOUR DECISIONS UAAAAAAA! 3 your prices are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to high! Minmatar loyalist!
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1005	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:33:00 - [6] - Quote Shanks its a good idea, but I think we should get free respecs on principle. These lil respecs we get are nonsense and half the time we use the points we gain into a build weve been planning to make for a while. Very least a respec ever 6 months or so, people against them can go suck a ****, we would have better player retention if it wasnt so easy to screw your character build with simple mistakes, NPE ftw explaining that one. I got 40m SP so am happy with what I got, it wouldnt hurt me to put my points where I want them again, why is CCP against this? They are trying to emulate EvE and failing spectacularly. Nemo me impune lacessit
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1984	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:37:00 - [7] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: I like the idea that has appeared here on the forum many times. 3 problems : 1some will scream "PAY TO WIN UAAAAAAA! 2 other will scream" LIVE WITH YOUR DECISIONS UAAAAAAA! 3 your prices are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to high! 1. It's not so much pay to win, but rather an option that lets players make some corrections. This also relates to your third point. Having these high prices is actually good. Would players really fork over $90 at a time, just to have 3 skills reset? Nope, but having the option to get a few thousand SP back from having only spent $30 seems more reasonable. 2. We can still live with those decisions, especially if we were to fudge up our skill investment a second time around. If I skilled out of Ion Pistols to go into Plasma Cannons, then that's all on me. I'd have to live with that or decide if I'd want to spend another $30+ to make even more corrections. Personally, I'd live with that decision. 3. They're reasonable to me. Lol
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5084	Posted - 2014.04.30 12:46:00 - [8] - Quote Nope. Make the game better teach people how to invest their points. Considering that most of the people who will post in this thread have also posted in threads bitching and moaning about FotM dominating everything, do you really want a built in means of ensuring that ONLY FotM will ever be used? And don't give me that limp-**** excuse of "well it wouldn't be a problem if CCP made everything balanced". You're always going to have imbalance as long as you keep updating the game, same as you're always going to have nerfs and buffs because the dynamics are always changing. If you get one respec every six months, someone is going to spec into the FotM, then it gets fixed, so they just stop playing the game entirely until their next respec comes up where they then do it again. That sounds like a GREAT idea. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1986	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:39:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Nope. Make the game better teach people how to invest their points. Considering that most of the people who will post in this thread have also posted in threads bitching and moaning about FotM dominating everything, do you really want a built in means of ensuring that ONLY FotM will ever be used? And don't give me that limp-**** excuse of "well it wouldn't be a problem if CCP made everything balanced". You're always going to have imbalance as long as you keep updating the game, same as you're always going to have nerfs and buffs because the dynamics are always changing. If you get one respec every six months, someone is going to spec into the FotM, then it gets fixed, so they just stop playing the game entirely until their next respec comes up where they then do it again. That sounds like a GREAT idea. This has nothing to do with FotM and you should feel bad for bringing it up. Also, nothing you mentioned addresses my idea, so what the heck are you going on about bi-yearly respecs for? Anyway, FotM requires two main components: a dropsuit and a weapon. If a player wanted to reset his dropsuit skills, that would take anywhere from $30 to $40+ in refunded SP from skill resets. The weapon would be another $25 to $40. Do you think players would actually invest that type of money just to skill into an FotM whilst ridding themselves of "potential FotMs" knowing that changes are always made? I doubt it. Purchasing boosters would still be the better alternative. Also, would this not be a good source of revenue for CCP if there were players who would be willing to spend that type of money? The reason I presented this idea, as stated above, is to give players the option to make minor corrections, thus the reasoning behind the high prices and effect of only refunding SP for one skill level. You're making it sound as if I'm suggesting a cheap pay to win option to buy full respecs--which I am not.
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries Dirt Nap Squad. 5084	Posted - 2014.04.30 13:43:00 - [10] - Quote LT SHANKS wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Nope. Make the game better teach people how to invest their points. Considering that most of the people who will post in this thread have also posted in threads bitching and moaning about FotM dominating everything, do you really want a built in means of ensuring that ONLY FotM will ever be used? And don't give me that limp-**** excuse of "well it wouldn't be a problem if CCP made everything balanced". You're always going to have imbalance as long as you keep updating the game, same as you're always going to have nerfs and buffs because the dynamics are always changing. If you get one respec every six months, someone is going to spec into the FotM, then it gets fixed, so they just stop playing the game entirely until their next respec comes up where they then do it again. That sounds like a GREAT idea. This has nothing to do with FotM and you should feel bad for bringing it up. Also, nothing you mentioned addresses my idea, so what the heck are you going on about bi-yearly respecs for? Anyway, FotM requires two main components: a dropsuit and a weapon. If a player wanted to reset his dropsuit skills, that would take anywhere from $30 to $40+ in refunded SP from skill resets. The weapon would be another $25 to $40. Do you think players would actually invest that type of money just to skill into an FotM whilst ridding themselves of "potential FotMs" knowing that changes are always made? I doubt it. Purchasing boosters would still be the better alternative. Also, would this not be a good source of revenue for CCP if there were players who would be willing to spend that type of money? The reason I presented this idea, as stated above, is to give players the option to make minor corrections, thus the reasoning behind the high prices and effect of only refunding SP for one skill level. You're making it sound as if I'm suggesting a cheap pay to win option to buy full respecs--which I am not. Was replying to another post. It was supposed to have a quote, but that clearly didn't work. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector

Joseph Ridgeson warravens Final Resolution. 1374	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:09:00 - [11] - Quote There is a problem with the concept of "fine, we will placate the people that want X (resets) without making the people that do not want X angry." With this idea it is the insultingly high cash cost to refund a skill. "So don't do it" doesn't make up for the fact that it A) Exists and B) Will lead to a worse experience for the game. Let's take the recently dead Auction House in D3. Most everyone hated it and people who who didn't simply said "just don't use it than." The problem is that the guy was than built around the fact that this system was in place. Monsters were harder because "players can buy gear at the AH" so without resorting to it you were pretty much screwed. Ohh, the days when a Barbarian relied on Wizards and Demon Hunters to get through Inferno naked and shower the necessary gear onto Barbarians in order to have a chance in Inferno. spits Digression aside, that kind of thing could happen. "We could give a reset to 'Light Weaponry' because of the inclusion of all racial Light Weapons but players could just pay for a reset if they wanted it." Even if that didn't happen, having things in the game that are meant as a "ehh, it isn't that important; don't worry about it" doesn't make up for anything when it is so overpriced. Monoclegate. "People that quote themselves in signatures confuse me." -Joseph Ridgeson
Sigberct Amni Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 678	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:13:00 - [12] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on no empty quotes allowed
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 1894	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:15:00 - [13] - Quote Obodiah Garro wrote: Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on You put is pretty harshly... but I do agree with you. At this point in Dust's development, we have no been able to make our own choices. Some of them have been made for us, by CCP. Without our choices actually being real, you can't use that tired old "You made your decision, now live with it!" line. He imposes order on the chaos of organic evolution...
Scrub Zero Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:18:00 - [14] - Quote No! Dust is NOT pay to win! No NO n No! The day CCP let's people buy repects (in any form) will be my last. I am NOT happy with some of my LVL 5 skills. (Flaylock, swarm, caldari heavy, ect.) Yet im not crying for a repect. Once CCP fixes everything, we MAY get another respec.
Scrub Zero Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 23	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:24:00 - [15] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on You put is pretty harshly... but I do agree with you. At this point in Dust's development, we have no been able to make our own choices. Some of them have been made for us, by CCP. Without our choices actually being real, you can't use that tired old "You made your decision, now live with it!" line. Don't listen to the (FOTM chasers). I can use ALL weapons and gear I speced into. Next, people will be asking for refunds on defective suits.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 942	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:29:00 - [16] - Quote It's got to be more expensive then the boosters you would buy to skill up into whatever is competitive (FOTM usually.) Why would they let you get back SP from X, that they intentionally nerf to get you to buy boosters to skill something else, only so you can buy a reset to skill into Y (read OP?) So for them it's got to be more than the price of 2 monthly boosters. Probably more. If you see CCP eventually provide resets for AUR you know the game is dying and in a last ditch effort to pull whatever money they can before they pull the plug.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3523	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:35:00 - [17] - Quote Live with your decisions they say I made my decisions 6months ago then they changed it all again Id just give a 1 time free respec every year at fanfest time tbh Maybe buy a full respec for like 10quid or something if you really want
Mike De Luca Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 25	Posted - 2014.04.30 14:43:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Live with your decisions they say I made my decisions 6months ago then they changed it all again Id just give a 1 time free respec every year at fanfest time tbh Maybe buy a full respec for like 10quid or something if you really want This, every year or every major change to skills should be a free respec, or at the very least, give a free one at 5 mil for the nobblets who didn't know what they were doing when they were first skilling into stuff (ignorantly getting lvl 5 in dropsuit command type things) If we get a new matchmaker, it needs to be named Fiona, so we can all start singing Scotty doesn't know every match.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1986	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:10:00 - [19] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: It's got to be more expensive then the boosters you would buy to skill up into whatever is competitive (FOTM usually.) Why would they let you get back SP from X, that they intentionally nerf to get you to buy boosters to skill something else, only so you can buy a reset to skill into Y (read OP?) So for them it's got to be more than the price of 2 monthly boosters. Probably more. If you see CCP eventually provide resets for AUR you know the game is dying and in a last ditch effort to pull whatever money they can before they pull the plug. So, to reset one level on Plasma Cannons, you want me to spend double the amount I would spend on a monthly booster? Let me repeat that, ONE LEVEL. Again, I'm not saying that SP resets should apply to the whole entire skill, just one fraction of it. There are 5 parts to every skill right? Also, there really is nothing preventing someone from continuing to purchase boosters. If I wanted to take my SP away from level 2 on Shield rechargers and level 3 on shield regulation, that'd be about $25 if following the prices I listed. How much SP would I get back? About 328,000 SP. How much is it for a monthly booster? Around $7 right? So compared to $7 for 400,000 newly gained SP, $25 for 328,000 "RECYCLED SP" is asking too little according to you. Do you see what I'm trying to get at? Not only is it profitable for CCP, but it discourages anyone from trying to buy "full respecs" as prices can skyrocket into the hundreds.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 8182	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:19:00 - [20] - Quote Back when CCP Cmdr Wang was still working for CCP back in the initial open beta days of Dust, they said that they might look into implementing what one person referred to as a "skill back booster" described in the link below. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86041&find=unread What this does is slowly return the SP you put into a skill book so you can use it on something else. That way, you can free up SP from skills you feel to be a waste. The drawback however is threefold. First, the skill back booster disables passive SP while the booster is active. Second, it takes up the passive booster slot so you can't fit a regular passive booster on top of the skill back booster. Finally, the skill back booster only draws SP from the chosen skill book at the same rate as you normally gain passive SP. This is the kind of thing I would endorse as it seems balanced. Of course, naturally a lot of the pro-respec folks don't like this idea because they want a full respec feature and nothing less. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 515	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:21:00 - [21] - Quote they need to do something smart like this to generate money because these events they're relying on to boost booster sales every week are becoming rather insulting u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Obodiah Garro Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1012	Posted - 2014.05.02 00:03:00 - [22] - Quote Scrub Zero wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Obodiah Garro wrote: Or they just hand out respecs because SP planning in this game is totally bullshit with the massive nerf hammer swings, no timetable for content and a backlog of stuff were already waiting on You put is pretty harshly... but I do agree with you. At this point in Dust's development, we have no been able to make our own choices. Some of them have been made for us, by CCP. Without our choices actually being real, you can't use that tired old "You made your decision, now live with it!" line. Don't listen to the (FOTM chasers). I can use ALL weapons and gear I speced into. Next, people will be asking for refunds on defective suits. FOTM chasers? 1- FOTM is a term used by scrubs to cry about something. 2- People asking for respecs has nothing to do with your so called 'FOTM Chase', the days of the Cal Logi are long gone and am pretty sure anybody who visits these forums will have SP in the good areas if they are so inclined. Lastly, SP respecs should be done in totality at each major release, not for the sake of your 'FOTM' grab but so a player can make/update his skill choices based on the latest/only relevant release of the game. CCP have long been breaking this game/ nerf/ breaking the game in a pretty consistent manner yet the player base can only skill into his preferences whilst living with bad development choices. A simple method to make sure the player base would be fine with their choices AT THE VERY LEAST, would be milita gear/weapons of all the new content and a SP refund on anything that gets changed, but nope. You dont get **** back from changes that are completely out of your control but your told to live with your decisions lol. Total bullshit. Nemo me impune lacessit


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