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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:07:00 -
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Interesting article. Many devs jumping ship. Wow.
http://evenews24.com/2014/04/27/submissions-three-years-i-hope-im-wrong/
Do we need another summer of rage in EVE/Dust 514?
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
"I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."
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Sourdough Muffins
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.04.30 07:16:00 -
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If they continue down the same path they are now I could see it. They just took a huge loss this year and World of Darkness failed. Dust may as well be a complete failure because it failed to live up to its potential. While I do not have numbers to back it up as they are likely closely held internally, i'm willing to bet this game is running in the red.
Though honestly, I'm not too worried at this point. 3 years is a good chunk of change to turn things around. If in another year Dust gets cancelled and they report another major loss THEN I would start to jump up and down waving the red flag.
They really do need to step up their game with Dust though. Unless they just plan on stringing us along and milking us for all we are worth before dumping the game. -Le Sigh- |
MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2014.04.30 08:23:00 -
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Saying 'in three years they could lose everything' is prettymuch a non-statement as that's prettymuch the bare minimum for a business to tank completely (unless something ****s up completely). Yeah, if they have three bad years where they actually lose money *and assets* without getting significant return (or expected future returns) they might not be here, but with the stuff they have on the table it's unlikely and as the article itself said - requires some big tinfoil hattery.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.04.30 09:04:00 -
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anyone who reads en24 seriously is probably damaged goods |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:00:00 -
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The odds of CCP collapsing in three years are pretty low.
Who knows, maybe five-ten, but they've got a pretty dedicated playerbase; I doubt somehow that everyone will just up and cancel their subscriptions.
After all, look at us...
A year into this monstrosity that is DUST, and there's no end in sight.
ak.0 // 4 LYFE
I am the Lorhak // I speak for the trees.
Jason Person for CMP!
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:27:00 -
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Companies with bad management that also don-¦t listen to their customer-¦s demands usually go under... This is not breaking news.
I kind of expect CCP to present a change in mindset at FanFest 2014. They cant continue to do stuff ass-backwards for ever, right?
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
"I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.04.30 11:29:00 -
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Unless I see some input from actual stock brokers and shareholders telling us how CCP is holding up on the global market, then i'm not going to assign a shred of credibility to a bunch of tinfoil-hat laymen and ranting gamers.
You're trying to discuss a subject that you don't really have any real grasp of. Like 5th graders trying to discuss quantum physics. |
21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 13:50:00 -
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How is this topic constructive?
Mike Ruan Said I was Dust Famous
General John Ripper Said I was Dust Famous
Who else thinks I'm Famous?
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 14:29:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:anyone who reads en24 seriously is probably damaged goods
I apologize that my arm of our glorious space empire has not been appropriately educated on this matter. I will attend to that immediately, sir.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:50:00 -
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Where's the other Spreadsheet Spaceship competition? CCP can shoot themselves in the foot over and over again but anything short of catastrophic they'll make due. There will always be those whom want the style of gaming fix New Eden offers.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.05.01 01:53:00 -
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Reads like its scare propaganda. Reminds me of the cold war era
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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Tek Hound
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:04:00 -
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No donuts
Skill > majority of dust community
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:07:00 -
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if you ever meet a guy who writes for en24 who isn't a total jagoff please let me know. i've only known a handful, but they've been the same 'type' of person if you catch my meaning.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Vin Vicious
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:09:00 -
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Nah they haven't produced a good game since that board game let this Custer **** of reject developers crumple |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:10:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Unless I see some input from actual stock brokers and shareholders telling us how CCP is holding up on the global market, then i'm not going to assign a shred of credibility to a bunch of tinfoil-hat laymen and ranting gamers.
You're trying to discuss a subject that you don't really have any real grasp of. Like 5th graders trying to discuss quantum physics.
you're right, but i still think we should discuss quantum mechanics with young people.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:10:00 -
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Most people who are content with their company don't write reviews about them.
Thus, most review is done emotionally, and that emotion is negative.
I can imagine roughly 50% being not too bad. |
RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.01 02:13:00 -
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I found PROOF!
I can't believe the CCP guys would let this leak.
We can pickle that.
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:11:00 -
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Sigberct Amni wrote:anyone who reads en24 seriously is probably damaged goods
Truth.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:12:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Most people who are content with their company don't write reviews about them.
Thus, most review is done emotionally, and that emotion is negative.
I can imagine roughly 50% being not too bad.
The truth has been spoken
That Glassdoor website couldn't be called representative data, not by a longshot
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:20:00 -
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The team on that site is almost as notoriously bad as 'Dusters' news. Also anytime someone says that CCP and Dust itself is going to fail you generally do not listen to them.
"He said he has a alt in STB."
"Everyone has a alt in STB."
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Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.01 03:52:00 -
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Besides that, I'm pressure sure people have been saying "CCP is going to hell" since the dawn of time
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
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KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:05:00 -
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And apple will totally fail if Steve Jobs should ever die. Oh wait! 
Companies lose people all the time. Attitudes change, dreams get fulfilled or dashed. New directions irritate, excite or bore those already in place. So they leave. Or decide that the constant push is too much at long last. Their family is actually more important and children do grow up very quickly, wait too long and miss them becoming adults.
The article was biased, as most are, because the author wants to see the EVE they know not change. Sorry, everything changes. The only constant is change.
Take off your tin foil hat. The loss of a $20M game venture is a bother, but frankly has nothing to do with Dust514. Dust is F2P (arguably but that is for a different post) and one might hope that the sale of AUR will be enough to keep their very inexpensive development solution moving forward. Recall that they used UE3.5, most industry insiders believed it was because the older engine was Dirt Cheap at the time. Shanghai is also not the most expensive place to find developers. Just sayin.
Welcome to Dust.
And so it goes.
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DaReaperPW
Net 7
The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:47:00 -
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My issue with these type of things is people forget that ccp made profit in 09, 10, 11, and 12, enough to offset the 21m loss. And the loss was for tax reasons mostly.
CCP changed course with eve in 2011, people are now freaking because there is no 'Jesus feature' in the expansion. And that is because they have a lot of stuff to finish and fix. People whine that dust is dead, but i just don;t see it. That's the thing, we really do not know how much dust made and how much it cost to develop. And if the roumer mill is correct, there is a huge change coming, that could change a lot of peoples minds, but who knows. I'm just a 10 year eve vet so meh |
Enji Elric
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2014.05.01 04:59:00 -
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let us attempt this with numbers
Here is the amount of players playing Dust 514
at the time of this post STEAM had 5,730 players at peak playing COD: Ghosts ( not the most popular either
this sounds very close to Dust 514 BUT
COD is on multiple rigs (PS3 PS4 XBONE XB360 and PC) oh yea forgot the WIi u
5,730 is the lowest number for COD
Today Dust 514 had 4,215 players on at peak
currently as i write this there are 2,923 players on Dust 514 and 18,500 playing EVE
Dust is on one rig only PS3
MCRMI Recruiting
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 05:01:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:And apple will totally fail if Steve Jobs should ever die. Oh wait!
Steve Jobs stole every idea he ever had and simply rebranded it for stupid artsy hipsters.
There's always a market for those morons. |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.01 07:15:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:let us attempt this with numbers Here is the amount of players playing Dust 514 at the time of this post STEAM had 5,730 players at peak playing COD: Ghosts ( not the most popular either this sounds very close to Dust 514 BUT COD is on multiple rigs (PS3 PS4 XBONE XB360 and PC) oh yea forgot the WIi u 5,730 is the lowest number for COD Today Dust 514 had 4,215 players on at peak currently as i write this there are 2,923 players on Dust 514 and 18,500 playing EVE Dust is on one rig only PS3
Because # of players = revenue
Stabby-stabber extraordinaire
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
510
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Posted - 2014.05.01 08:47:00 -
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low genius wrote:Leonid Tybalt wrote:Unless I see some input from actual stock brokers and shareholders telling us how CCP is holding up on the global market, then i'm not going to assign a shred of credibility to a bunch of tinfoil-hat laymen and ranting gamers.
You're trying to discuss a subject that you don't really have any real grasp of. Like 5th graders trying to discuss quantum physics. you're right, but i still think we should discuss quantum mechanics with young people.
Maybe so, but the young and uninformed first needs to be educated before any meaningful discussion can take place.
As it is now, I seriously doubt that the author behind the article being linked to and most people reading this thread are adequately informed and educated in matters of the stock exchange and global market economics to form any coherent or meaningful arguments on the matter at hand. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
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Posted - 2014.05.01 12:34:00 -
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Enji Elric wrote:let us attempt this with numbers
Not saying your numbers don't matter but you don't have the only numbers that do matter.
How much does it take to run Dust?
How much profit is CCP making from AUR and Pack sales on PSN?
Is it within budget?
Note that a loss might well be withing budget. In particular if they are increasing EVE play count/income because Dust is reaching a new fan base for them.
That is how that math should be done. Don't base it on a completely different company, in a completely different country based on business decisions that you still don't know anything about.
And so it goes.
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Rusty Shallows
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:And apple will totally fail if Steve Jobs should ever die. Oh wait! Steve Jobs stole every idea he ever had and simply rebranded it for stupid artsy hipsters. There's always a market for those morons.
Himiko you obviously don't understand the basic nature of technology much less the underpinnings. Instead of political ranting your time would be better served learning the fundamentals of science. Pick any of them, biology/genetics from its origins from farmers simply applying it to a monk formalizing it, mechanics becoming defined during the renaissance is another good one.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
3550
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:19:00 -
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Yea and the world was gonna end in dec 2012 according to the mayans |
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Leonid Tybalt
Inner.Hell
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:25:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:And apple will totally fail if Steve Jobs should ever die. Oh wait! Steve Jobs stole every idea he ever had and simply rebranded it for stupid artsy hipsters. There's always a market for those morons. Himiko you obviously don't understand the basic nature of technology much less the underpinnings. Instead of political ranting your time would be better served learning the fundamentals of science. Pick any of them, biology/genetics from its origins from farmers simply applying it to a monk formalizing it, mechanics becoming defined during the renaissance is another good one.
Erm, comparing the "work" of Steve Jobs (one of the biggest credit thief in history) to the labour of monks and scholars who actually researched and catalogued the knowledge of others is a rather offensive insult honestly.
It's like you make a parallell between the drug addict Jobs and Carl von Linna+¬us. You'd be an academic pariah for making such a comparison in any official capacity. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:31:00 -
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It might shrink as a company yeah but Im sure the EVE die hards will keep it afloat even in a worst case scenario
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:31:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Reads like its scare propaganda. Reminds me of the cold war era
Maybe but the comment by ExdioS sounds just like our situation.
All the people that say just give Dust a chance because look at EVE years down the road.... well that comment doesnt give much hope.
In your blind spot
CPM, Remnant, Wolfman - Respect
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.05.01 22:49:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:KalOfTheRathi wrote:And apple will totally fail if Steve Jobs should ever die. Oh wait! Steve Jobs stole every idea he ever had and simply rebranded it for stupid artsy hipsters. There's always a market for those morons.
not to mention he's at least somewhat responsible for thousands of deaths in china.
eatsbabies cienfuegos
steward of the renegade alliance.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.05.02 21:34:00 -
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Bump. xD
HTFU Gë£ Live with CCP´s mistakes.
"I tried so hard and got so far.... but in the end it doesnt even matter."
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