Not a dev, just a player.

Someone said one AV guy shouldn't be able to solo a tank. Sure I see that. And I can scare one of those guys away in my proAV fit, maybe. But when it's three tanks, you need at least 6 guys to deploy in AV gear, to scare them away unless AV unites against one tank and instapops one at a time.

In a pub, that's never going to happen.

Every pub game I have played in maps where a tank can truly affect the battle, is won by the team with madrepper superiority. The balance is way better in non tanky maps right now. Sadly I don't see a lot of tank v tank battles either which is probably what tankers desire.

This is a difficult problem and I know we have spent a lot of time on this internally

1) KDR of tanker vs non-tanker
2) ISK efficiency vs elite tanker comparable to elite assault player
3a) proto AV vs proto tanker
3b) proto AV vs standard tanker
3c) average AV needed to rapidly destroy a tank without tank recourse (2v1, 3v1, 4v1)
4) measuring the best tankers who are in the spotlight (very few) versus normal tankers who don't so so well
5) efficiency against infantry
6) nades and re's requre non slayer specialization, so AV is pretty inaccessible to majority of players.

Instead of more tankers v nontankers, what are some simple ways to balance this?

When tanks consider their job done by simply forcing infantry to retreat then we can discuss this.

Until then, no.

How long do you think that you would be able to force infantry away at all, if they knew that your weapons were ineffective against them?

So you'd be happy with tanks ONLY being capable of supresing infantry?
Really?

That's not what I'm referring to, and you know it.

If infantry realizes (as the tank in the video did with the swarm launcher), that your weapons are incapable of killing them when you DO shoot them, how long do you think they would continue to run away from you?

How long before they stop taking cover altogether, and begin simply ignoring you, once they realize that you do not pose any threat to them?

Sure, no problem, then the tank driver should be limited to an AV weapon only, and should have to equip an AI turret and bring a friend to kill infantry.

2 is always better than 1, right?

And around and around and around we go......

But when 10 sync mercenaries can't take down a single experimented tank, how are you supposed to take down 3 tankers with 16 players ?


Only stupid noobs with noob tank which only run into ennemies like stupid 1960 IA die into a Tank.
Any person which have a brain can't die into a tank if there is no other tank.

And AV sacrifices it's AP capabilities.

So I guess we shouldn't have to bring a friend either?

So you agree that, if an AV has enough SKILL, then he SHOULD be capable of SOLOING a vehicle, right?

Nobody's asking for it to be EASY, just POSSIBLE.

After all, why should something as limited and vulnerable as AV REQUIRE teamwork, if operating something as durable and powerful as a tank doesn't?

... and around and around and around and around we go!

And tanks can kill lots of infantry, by themselves.
Your missing the point, you are saying 1 AV should only be capable of suppressing tanks.
So we turned it on its head, would you be happy if, it took at least 2 tanks just kill someone, would that be fair?

If you answered yes, I suggest you ask for blasters to be nerfed significantly.
If you answered no, then why do you think it is fair to put this restriction on Anti-Vehicle weaponry?

In wider sense it boils down to, why you as a single person in your tank should require multiple people to take down?
Please bear in mind when answering the question.

1) SP is not accountable since AV must also sacrifice a lot of skill points
Which by you count their AI fit, equipment training core upgrades, dropsuit upgrades is around about the same.

2)ISK is not a factor due to the fact a mlt tank now costs less than a Proto fit, therein mlt tanks should be incapable of killing proto dropsuits, (if ISK were a factor)

3) Real-Life is not a factor, first and foremost this is a game to be enjoyed by everyone, this meams guns don't kill in 1 shot at 300m and tanks don't become so powerful.
However if you do wish to use real-life I would like to point you toward the Artybox-Globalhawk combo, which autonomously dispatches of enemy tanks and APC's without any human input.

4)Teamwork is not a factor, we play in fixed count matches, teamwork is optional, not compulsory.

I hear this OHK argument trotted out all the time by tankers on the forums.
I have never once seen it happen in game.
Vids or it didn't happen.