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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 02:11:00 -
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Stiddlefaxq wrote:Vell0cet wrote: With DNS taking over PC there is way too much ISK being generated without the right ISK sinks to destroy it. And if DNS didn't control PC, that faucet would still be there. It is OK, you can identify a problem without attributing it to "the bad guys". Attributing it to DNS just muddles your argument in political BS. If anything, DNS controlling PC just forces more clone pack attacks. Destroying ISK.
Vell0cet understands Dust 514. The apparently broken aspects of PC ISK may be an experiment, because CCP still hasn't figured out how the unique Dust 514 feeling of risk vs reward will be preserved when they unify the markets. I think we will see an announcement of a unified market in the next year, and IWS may be alluding to a keynote announcement to that effect, unified markets, sponsorship, resale/auctions of assets...so some people will will have unlimited ISK. For example, I have about 10 billion ISK, and another 20 bil in ships and other assets, in Eve. Any scenario that allows me to build suits, sponsor matches, or transfer ISK will affect how I play Dust 514. I occasionally run cheap fits to recoup ISK losses, and I wouldn't worry about the loss if I could mine ICE for the ISK. Isk from Eve would give me a reason to keep playing Eve, and allow me to sponsor my friends, and maybe hire enough 'friends' for PC, but I don't know how I will feel when the isk is unlimited in Dust. I don't know if I would care about 60% off AUR weapons...I would probably need to calculate Dollar-PLEX-ISK exchange rates first.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 11:54:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:First step is to remove the high SP requirements and prices for proto dropsuits TBH. Module costs should be increased however to make the cost for current proto users normalized to the price we can see today (100k-200k ISK per fully fit suit).
I hope this kind of solution is presented at fanfest (in the progression presentation).
This is exactly the kind of 'idea' that would kill the player base.
IWS wants to know how Eve sponsored matches will be, with nearly unlimited ISK, and I will tell you...not that much different. The reason to wear standard will be ISK or SP limitations, with some level of pride/indignation factor that discourages wasteful or excessive spending. It's hard to know how much Eve isk will make it to Dust, it doesn't matter that much in FW. I have many thousands of proto suits, about 4 thousand, and I still worry about going isk negative.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:12:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:First step is to remove the high SP requirements and prices for proto dropsuits TBH. Module costs should be increased however to make the cost for current proto users normalized to the price we can see today (100k-200k ISK per fully fit suit).
I hope this kind of solution is presented at fanfest (in the progression presentation).
Ok, well, maybe not 'kill' the player base, but it would be lame. We would have to look at the HP values to guess if it was a n00b, instead of looking for MLT and STD. Further, this idea wouldn't solve any problems. We would still have people who were rich in complex armor plates.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:15:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Lynn Beck wrote:Vrain Matari wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Another fantasy to break is how cheap your suits would be if they where player provided.
we're talking 10 isk, not 10 hundred, 10 thousand or million; just 10 a pop. Unpopular ones will dip further and may become refine fodder; the specialists would likely gain most popularity capping at 1k a piece. And here i thought the refine value if a suit would be determined by it's mineral inputs. Maybe you got a nice perpetual motion machine you wanna try and sell us while you're at it? Suppliers always keep a stock of an item, if an item becomes too unpopular, the supplier/producer will refine the spares to make room for the new popular item. Still doesnt help auto targeters...
Auto targeters are for ISK farming PvE carebears...we don't lose many of our Golems.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 12:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Or the harsh reality
Eve corp doesn't give a flying eff because if experience has taught them anything is that utterly crushing your opponent massively does save isk in the end. Losing a single fight can unravel an entire alliance and would rather not risk it and by doing so would embolden the enemy.
Don't forget the Eve vets who might have 3 accounts and who might have started saving ISK when Dust was first announced...that person may have renamed his Orca "Dust Fund".
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 14:03:00 -
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Tiericide is a worthless idea in all of it's forms, with the dubious goal of making it easier on new players (it can't), or gifting the 'gifted' FPS elite skilled players an opportunity to win without all the complicated issues associated with resource management or SP grinding *sarcasm. IWS wants to promote unique roles instead of actually improving stats for SP and ISK investment. That's bad. Nobody wants to grind SP just to unlock new roles, like AV or Sniper. The end result will be no different than what we have now in terms of n00bs getting stomped. Cheap and easy may work at attracting more CoD n00bs, but the long term health of Dust would be compromised.
CCP could tie MERC asset production to PI. A new resource chain and dropsuit fabrication facility, along with tight ISK exchange control (like it is now), could preserve some semblance of resource scarcity in Dust 514. The real shakeup will come some day, and I doubt the unified market transition will be smooth, and I expect price and supply volatility, so stock up while you can.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Luk Manag
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Posted - 2014.04.29 17:53:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Vell0cet wrote:NOT WHAT YOU THINK IT IS
There is no good solution to the BPO dilemma that tiericide would create.
There Is No Matchmaking in Dust (tm) nor has there been and Tiericide will not accomplish it either. However, silver bullets and blue sky dreaming can accomplish ... well, nothing actually. Although that has never stopped CCP/Shanghai from going down bizarre paths nor CCP from promising features in Dust that are still not delivered years later. Fanfest is nearly upon us so expect more undelivered dreams, silver bullets that will not fire (like rail gun turrets) and nothing mentioned at all about fixing bugs or making Dust more stable. 
I know you have been working on your grumpy persona, but fixing bugs and improving the experience is always important, and goes without saying.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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