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Ghost Kaisar
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Posted - 2014.04.28 19:34:00 -
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I agree with this.
The best players are good because of muscle memory and experience.
The best teachers are players who can explain to others why they do what they do.
They understand tactics and strategy, and can explain why figure 8 strafing is more effective than circle strafing, other than just saying "it works" (Just an example)
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I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 19:44:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:dude... "The best players may not be good teachers because they literally donGÇÖt know what they are doing."
This is true. I always tell people that I learned how to play drunk. That my sober gaming is only a reflex left over from my drunken night gaming. People always laugh but in all honesty idk what I am doing lol. I am just a guy who likes to drink a beer, kick back, and shoot at some people. I was good at chess once but I am not some strategist mastermind. I have no idea how I would always get #1. Outkill people. Out WP people.
You wanna play chess?
I'm kinda the same way. I have a grasp of basic strategy, but no real "Strategy" that I employ
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 20:52:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: They understand tactics and strategy, and can explain why figure 8 strafing is more effective than circle strafing, other than just saying "it works" (Just an example)
okay, so WTH is figure-8 strafing, and why is it more effective?
Figure 8 strafing is when you strafe in a figure 8 pattern.
It adds extra depth to your strafe, and is less predictable than circle strafing (Strafing in a circular pattern.)
You wanna really mess with someones aim? Figure 8 strafe on an incline. It adds both depth and height to the strafe, making it very difficult to stay on target.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 20:55:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:General John Ripper wrote:dude... "The best players may not be good teachers because they literally donGÇÖt know what they are doing."
This is true. I always tell people that I learned how to play drunk. That my sober gaming is only a reflex left over from my drunken night gaming. People always laugh but in all honesty idk what I am doing lol. I am just a guy who likes to drink a beer, kick back, and shoot at some people. I was good at chess once but I am not some strategist mastermind. I have no idea how I would always get #1. Outkill people. Out WP people. You wanna play chess? I'm kinda the same way. I have a grasp of basic strategy, but no real "Strategy" that I employ I am down to play a game.
http://lichess.org/ffi0slfD
This will join you to my game.
PLEASE NOTE, ONLY GJR SHOULD CLICK THIS
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:06:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:General John Ripper wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:General John Ripper wrote:dude... "The best players may not be good teachers because they literally donGÇÖt know what they are doing."
This is true. I always tell people that I learned how to play drunk. That my sober gaming is only a reflex left over from my drunken night gaming. People always laugh but in all honesty idk what I am doing lol. I am just a guy who likes to drink a beer, kick back, and shoot at some people. I was good at chess once but I am not some strategist mastermind. I have no idea how I would always get #1. Outkill people. Out WP people. You wanna play chess? I'm kinda the same way. I have a grasp of basic strategy, but no real "Strategy" that I employ I am down to play a game. http://lichess.org/x4Go7XXOThis will join you to my game. PLEASE NOTE, ONLY GJR SHOULD CLICK THIS haha I didn't mean now. I am expecting company soon. I realize an intellectual man who participates in vigorous sports like chess is sexy and all but I wanna keep it casual. I will definitely make time for you tomorrow.
Just tell me when. I can play anytime before 2:15PM EST.
Anyone else who wants to can click. http://lichess.org/x4Go7XXO
I'll play a bit, then I gotta take care of some homework.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:08:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn wrote:D4GG3R wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: They understand tactics and strategy, and can explain why figure 8 strafing is more effective than circle strafing, other than just saying "it works" (Just an example)
okay, so WTH is figure-8 strafing, and why is it more effective? Figure 8 strafing is when you strafe in a figure 8 pattern. It adds extra depth to your strafe, and is less predictable than circle strafing (Strafing in a circular pattern.) You wanna really mess with someones aim? Figure 8 strafe on an incline. It adds both depth and height to the strafe, making it very difficult to stay on target. Only setback is it is easy to get in sync with a figure 8 strafe if you horizontal strafe at the right speed. or you could just masshole them
You don't strafe VS Mass Drivers. You rush them to force them to hurt themselves as they hurt you. Combine with a high DPS weapon, and you have a decent chance of winning.
Best way to deal with mass drivers is really just counter-suppression though. Force them into cover while you close the distance.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 21:11:00 -
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Damn, someone joined and immediately left :(
Guess I'll just play the computer then....
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 00:47:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote: They understand tactics and strategy, and can explain why figure 8 strafing is more effective than circle strafing, other than just saying "it works" (Just an example)
okay, so WTH is figure-8 strafing, and why is it more effective? Imagine your character from above, and you are watching. A figure-8 strafe is where you are literally tracing the number 8 on the ground with your movement. There are two methods of this - one is to poisition yourself so that the opponent is as at the "top" of the strafe, and the other places you opponent to the "side" of the strafe. At greater distances, a smaller figure-8 is needed, at closer, a larger figure-8 is needed. The reason this works is that you are doing two things - you are moving side to side, forcing your opponent to react to the sideways movment, and you are moving forward and back, forcing them to react to new distances (i.e. close the gap, pull back, etc). Either way, they are REACTING to you, and you are controling the engagement. Because you do this, you can better predict where to aim, as you know where your opponent will be in relation to you before and as you are moving, whereas they have to predict (often inaccurately) the right place to shoot. They will often shoot where you were, or falsely predict where you will be. Changing the pattern so that they are alternately at the "top" or "side" during the same encounter adds complexity to the dance, but also can frustrate your opponent even more.
A more in depth explanation! Thank you!
Mine was as simplified version, but I like this a lot more!
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I hack at Mach V
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 21:54:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Quil Evrything wrote: okay, so WTH is figure-8 strafing, and why is it more effective?
Imagine your character from above, and you are watching. A figure-8 strafe is where you are literally tracing the number 8 on the ground with your movement. There are two methods of this - one is to poisition yourself so that the opponent is as at the "top" of the strafe, and the other places you opponent to the "side" of the strafe. At greater distances, a smaller figure-8 is needed, at closer, a larger figure-8 is needed. The reason this works is that you are doing two things - you are moving side to side, forcing your opponent to react to the sideways movment, and you are moving forward and back, forcing them to react to new distances (i.e. close the gap, pull back, etc). Either way, they are REACTING to you, and you are controling the engagement. Because you do this, you can better predict where to aim, as you know where your opponent will be in relation to you before and as you are moving, whereas they have to predict (often inaccurately) the right place to shoot. They will often shoot where you were, or falsely predict where you will be. Changing the pattern so that they are alternately at the "top" or "side" during the same encounter adds complexity to the dance, but also can frustrate your opponent even more. Thanks for the details. My analytical mind still says there's something missing from the explanation, though. Because if that's all there was to it, the results should be identical to circle strafing, where you just roll the left stick around in a circle. After all, that gets you "moving side to side", and it also gets you "moving forward and back". I'm guessing it may be because, when someone tries the figure-8 style, it also makes the movement less smooth, compared to simply rolling the stick around the circle borders. So it's not REALLY "figure-8". (which implies a smooth motion along an 8-track, similar to smooth motion in a circle). it's more "uneven unpredictable strafe". Sound about right? As much as I hate to add to the derailment of my own thread, I think that the figure 8 is a way of adding another layer of complexity to trick your opponentGÇÖs subconscious while still being easy enough to do without thinking about it, once you have practised it that is. Circle strafing is common enough that many people have learned to compensate for it. Their subconscious is going GÇ£ok, they were going left, now they are backing up, they are about to go right now...GÇ¥. This causes them to shift their aim to the right just as you continue left again in your figure 8 pattern. This should happen at least once before they realize that you are doing a figure 8 strafe and not a circle strafe, and that gives you at least one good chance to brake their aim assist lock. If they are more used to seeing circle strafing than figure 8 strafing, you may trick them several times. And as you say, with it being a more complex pattern there is likely going to be more variance, making it less predictable.
TL;DR
It's a different kind of strafe that people don't see too often, so it throws off their aim.
Back on topic.
I got my cloak and daggers, I'm a very happy Ghost
I hack at Mach V
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