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C Saunders
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:18:00 -
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So after taking on board a very new player to our corp to help teach him the ways of dust. I told him that if he has any questions, just ask and I'll be able to explain it. The things he asked reminded me of what it was like when I started. Things that outright confused me when I started but have got to accept.
Heres a list of little things new players dont understand:
- What are the controls?
- How do you switch to equipment?
- Why are players higher up the scoreboard with less kills?
- Whats an uplink?
- WTF is a forge gun?
- Whats classes as a Hybrid - Blaster?
- Why do I get warpoints for my weapons when I go near a supply depo?
- Whats a triage unit?
- Why cant I change my suit at the top of the fittings circle?
- Whats a nanohive?
- Why cant I fire the swarm launcher?
- What does ADS sensitivity do?
- Whats a CRU?
- There are cloaks?
- Why cant I jump over things sometimes but at other times I can?
- Why is a friendly shooting me with a yellow beam?
- How do you get vehicles?
- WTFSAUCEGIANTLASERBEAMSOFDEATH?
- Why cant I get in a friendlies vehicle?
- How do you squad up?
- Why cant my team hear me on my mic?
- Whats the redline?
- Why cant I activate the Intertia Dampaner sometimes?
- Whats salvage and how do I get it?
- Can I sell the salvage?
- Why can players kill me when I've got into a turret?
- How do you get an orbital?
And so it goes on. CCP that new player experiance of yours is in a very bad way.
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// Fully Specced Mass Driver Expert // Proto Min Scout // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guard Director //
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darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
770
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:21:00 -
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C Saunders wrote:
- Why do I get warpoints for my weapons when I go near a supply depo?
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Oh i laughed so hard
i did that before uprising and just kept on hacking supply depos thinking i would be top of the leader boards XD
good times
good times
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
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Hecarim Van Hohen
1239
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:32:00 -
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If we only had a (half) decent tutorial system...
"Now I am become Dev, the locker of threads."
-CCP Logibro
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2224
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:37:00 -
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On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in?
Nerdier than thou
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Operative 2511 Dajli
True Companion Planetary Requisitions
62
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Posted - 2014.04.27 21:59:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in?
How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young.
Lol, the ban hammer got me!
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
35
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:05:00 -
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I saw a sight I hadn't seen in while last night: A [STARTER FIT] trying eliminate the MCC with 4 or 5 AR magazines.
It was cute.
And sad.
Putting the MO-4 Assault HMG back on the Killfeed one Merc at a time.
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Everything Dies
Inner.Hell
692
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:08:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in?
How many people are going to give a game that they don't understand a full week before deleting it?
Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit.
Eight months has been long enough...guess it's time to learn how to play with a squad.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
Dirt Nap Squad.
475
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Posted - 2014.04.27 22:16:00 -
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Everything Dies wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How many people are going to give a game that they don't understand a full week before deleting it?
They won't. Dust needs more interactive tutorials with step by step guides and mock battles with a checklist before new players are placed into Academy.
Always the last person to leave. Always the one cleaning up people's messes.
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Haerr
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
513
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:44:00 -
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You should bring your new friend to ambush sometime. 
Mr. J. Pearson for CPM!
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Tweaksz
Jaded Clones
Jaded Coalition
65
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:52:00 -
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The lack of common sense in new players is so much it hurts! *Screams of pain*
Seriously though I get being confused at first but if you have to ask so many question without trying to figure out some things for yourself, then this game is not for you.
Unicorn GalScout. And here is my awesome "anaboop style" trading card.
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Vell0cet
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
1538
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Posted - 2014.05.01 14:57:00 -
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It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize I could "cook" grenades. I think I saw it in a YouTube video.
Best PvE idea ever!
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2944
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:00:00 -
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The answer to "why he cant get into friendlie vehicles" is that either the tank driver is the usual twatt with just the large turret fitted. Or for LAV's and dropships its usually that the person who called it in dont want to wait a minute until his ride unlocks for people who aint from his squad or he just doesnt want a blueberry to sit inside of the thing for the whole match.
Head of public relations from The Rainbow Effect.
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers
Dirt Nap Squad.
2945
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:12:00 -
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Why would i install. Cant recall at will turrents" on my tank?
To be fair the NPE does need epic work but at the same time once you realise someone is a newdot rather than a bitterdot i find it cute and funny right before i one shot them in the face.
"i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk"
winner of EU squad cup
GOGO power rangers
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Haerr
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
514
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:14:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:Why would i install. Cant recall at will turrents" on my tank?
To be fair the NPE does need epic work but at the same time once you realise someone is a newdot rather than a bitterdot i find it cute and funny right before i one shot them in the face.
Mr. J. Pearson for CPM!
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Wilhelm Klingspor
DUST University
Ivy League
204
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:15:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:It took me an embarrassingly long time to realize I could "cook" grenades. I think I saw it in a YouTube video.
One of the first times i held the grenade longer so i could throw it farther, it didn't work.
GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ DON'T PANIC GûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæ
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Pvt Numnutz
R 0 N 1 N
1170
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:24:00 -
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....well blueberries are this dumb....but really 80% of this most people learn in like a well of playing. Its not very hard to learn, though I know that's challenging for the fps community. |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
436
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:37:00 -
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The dark cloud wrote:The answer to "why he cant get into friendlie vehicles" is that either the tank driver is the usual twatt with just the large turret fitted. Or for LAV's and dropships its usually that the person who called it in dont want to wait a minute until his ride unlocks for people who aint from his squad or he just doesnt want a blueberry to sit inside of the thing for the whole match.
Your annoyed tone has been noted. There's usually very good reasons for driving off without a passenger. I've had a passenger for far too many suicide LAV runs, or had my LAV carjacked while I was still covering it with remote explosives..."it's going to be a short ride buddy."
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG [CEO of Terror]
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Tectonic Fusion
1639
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:41:00 -
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I remember the good ol days. I just ran 2 complex shields, a gek, a basic armor plate, armor repper, and nades for my noob fit in the type 2 assault.
Squad status: Locked
Ehem...OBVIOUSER troll is OBVIOUSER
Solo
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rithu
Max-Pain-inc
Dark Taboo
77
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:48:00 -
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You forgot
1. "WHY DO I DIE SO MUCH? !!!!"
2. "WHY AM I NOT ABLE TO KILL THE ENEMIES?"
3. "I AM DONE WITH THIS GAME !!!"
You cant see me caldari scouts ;)
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2809
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Posted - 2014.05.01 15:53:00 -
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Or "I've been standing next to this objective thing for like 5 full minutes. Why hasn't it switched over to my side?"
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:05:00 -
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Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young.
Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult. |
Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2472
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:17:00 -
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Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young.
Your question is phrased such that literally however I answer, you will refute my point in one direction or another. Either "you can't expect stupid kids to figure it out, you ageist" or "you can't expect older people to figure it out, you durned kid". By your logic, no one could possibly be expected to figure out how Dust works, and obviously that's not the case.
Nerdier than thou
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Nothing Certain
Bioshock Rejects
568
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:18:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young. Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult.
I remember running out of ammo and not knowing how to get more. Once you know about hives it seems obvious but if you don't, it is not. I didn't have a mic so it took me quite a few games to figure out that some blue glowing things were uplinks and some gave me ammo.
Because, that's why.
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Awry Barux
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
2472
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:24:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young. Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult. I remember running out of ammo and not knowing how to get more. Once you know about hives it seems obvious but if you don't, it is not. I didn't have a mic so it took me quite a few games to figure out that some blue glowing things were uplinks and some gave me ammo.
The nanohive minimap icon is pretty clearly an ammunition symbol. If you look in the market, even in the militia section, nanohives list an "ammo resupply rate" stat.
The fact the uplinks, and the uplink symbol, come up on the respawn screen, is a pretty clear indicator of what they do. Similarly, if you look at the market, they clearly reference a spawn time stat.
Not to mention the fact that you could just read the market descriptions of things.
I'm not saying Dust's NPE is good, but... damn, guys, it's just not that hard.
Nerdier than thou
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
72
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Posted - 2014.05.01 16:51:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young. Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult. I remember running out of ammo and not knowing how to get more. Once you know about hives it seems obvious but if you don't, it is not. I didn't have a mic so it took me quite a few games to figure out that some blue glowing things were uplinks and some gave me ammo.
Just so you know, I'm not saying that the tutorial system shouldn't be improved, just that it only took me a good week to know the ins and outs of the game, which is common for most games.
When Dust becomes extensively larger in roles and skills, they will have to remake the tutorial system, again. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
748
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Posted - 2014.05.01 19:59:00 -
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- Why do I get warpoints for my weapons when I go near a supply repo?
This one I remember. Then got confused when I saw the end of battle report.
You do not have to be crazy to play here but we are willing to train you.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2885
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:03:00 -
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The only question from that entire list that passed through my mind when I first started playing was "What are the controls" and I just checked the config options to find out
What the hell is wrong with people that they dont just instinctively know some of this stuff from other games or put 2 and 2 together like jumping being affected by your stamina
I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world.
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Aria Gomes
R 0 N 1 N
429
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:15:00 -
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RYN0CER0S wrote:I saw a sight I hadn't seen in while last night: A [STARTER FIT] trying eliminate the MCC with 4 or 5 AR magazines.
It was cute.
And sad.
I remember shooting at the enemy MCC with an installation in Academy. :(
I'll play the blues for you. -- Albert King
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Dirt Nap Squad.
4690
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:18:00 -
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I totally remember this one. Took me days to figure out I was not getting points. Look
Why do I get warpoints for my weapons when I go near a supply depo? |
Yan Darn
Science For Death
Final Resolution.
747
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:27:00 -
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I'd mock, but:
A) If it wasn't for experience with EVE I probably wouldn't have known enough about the general principles of the game to find my way around the various features.
B) I have friends who are intelligent gamers who would probably ask me these questions early on (not that I would recommend this game to them...yet). Though part of that is because even the simplest game these days has a more in depth tutorial and instinctive UI/Design principles.
The Ghost of Bravo
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ratamaq doc
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
599
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Posted - 2014.05.01 20:57:00 -
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Nothing Certain wrote:Temias Mercurial wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young. Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult. I remember running out of ammo and not knowing how to get more. Once you know about hives it seems obvious but if you don't, it is not. I didn't have a mic so it took me quite a few games to figure out that some blue glowing things were uplinks and some gave me ammo.
Wow you ran out of ammo as a new player? Were you shooting at the MCC?
YouTube
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RYN0CER0S
Rise Of Old Dudes
87
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:03:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:RYN0CER0S wrote:I saw a sight I hadn't seen in while last night: A [STARTER FIT] trying eliminate the MCC with 4 or 5 AR magazines.
It was cute.
And sad. I remember shooting at the enemy MCC with an installation in Academy. :(
Who didn't?
I saw the HP dropping and thought I was accomplishing something.
Womp, womp, wahhhh.
The guy from the Hamburger train.
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Gaelon Thrace
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:06:00 -
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I came into the game already knowing quite a bit about and still got frustrated as **** because the UI is **** and the controls are unintuitive. |
lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
814
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:20:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in?
I started last May and back then, the tutorial system was completely different, as in there wasn't one and it was just a giant ass email with pop up screens telling me what things were in detail. Since then, they've ditched ALL of that and put in a "tutorial" (read with extreme sarcasm) system. I honestly felt the pop ups did a much better job than the bullshit they have now.
I'm not saying it took me long to learn this game but we also have to understand that this UI is a ****** UI. I design UIs for a living and this one is completely non-intuitive. We can claim it is all we want but when you use a tool for months, anything seems intuitive.
I remember one of the most confusing things for me in the market system was the skillbooks. This was before the skill tree bubbles. Skills were just stacked in one long list. I couldn't understand why the green numbers told me 12,000 sp to get the skill but it was saying I'd have to pay 149,000. I eventually realized they were requesting completely different values from different types of currency but **** if that was clear at all.
Also, I've seen a few newberries pop up and asking questions in local (as delightful as that is if you don't have a keyboard) and I've witnessed some pretty horrible bashing/less than useful help from the community. Not all of it mind you, but if they're confused, getting insulted and not having a fun time...damn straight they're going to leave.
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
814
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Posted - 2014.05.01 21:26:00 -
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Temias Mercurial wrote:Operative 2511 Dajli wrote:Awry Barux wrote:On one hand: yes, sure, Dust should have a much more comprehensive introduction.
On the other hand: I figured out literally all of those things for myself without asking anyone, within a week of starting to play Dust (I started last June). Buff basic deductive reasoning and the ability to read before blindly jumping in? How old are you? How old are they? Not everybody is as old as you or as young. Unless you're younger than 14... you should be able to solve the majority of those questions by simply looking at everything within the menu, studying it, and potentially applying it. Also, asking such questions in local or other chats isn't too difficult.
Lol based on the conversations we had about your phenomenal classmates, that's a surprising comment.  People vastly overestimate the average attention span and deduction ability of most of the younger generation today. As someone that has to code basic applications/programs to be used by upcoming employees recently graduated, it literally steals years away to have to deliver 400 hours of my life to someone that can't figure out a more than 2 step process.
That being said, I know this gaming community is pretty broad. I think the tutorial system can definitely be improved, mostly through the UI. After that, there is a certain level of helping hand that I feel just proves they aren't the kind of player dust is looking for.
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover. Ping for video services.
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